Can we see some upgrades to Mage’s Fury and it’s morphs that make them viable on PvE dps?

I agree it’s valuable in PvP, but I think it severely underperforms in PvE

Some skill really bad
but still have some good in pvp and pve solo
but you know,I have a friend main mage sorc
he alway joke me
The storm calling is a skill line about lightning power
but sorc top 3 shock dmg skill from pet line

Lol, especially with subclassing coming out. There are many concerning issues. The passives are all decent in storm calling. Better than a lot of other class passives.

Crit Surge is not supposed to be a main source of a heal, but it definitely needs to be noted in this argument. You can stack Heal spammables with crit surge and get absurd HPS rn. Swallow Soul/ Puncturing Sweep being the main ones I'm talking about. It gives major sorcery/brutality as well.

Lightning form/Hurricane has always had its place as a 3 in 1 resistance/ speed/ and pressure buff. Stacked for 1 ability.

Streak. Probably the best mobility tool in the game. Essentially a teleport that also stuns enemies *Unavoidable stun*.

Mages Fury may not be what it used to be, but it's still classified as the only *auto execute* skill in the game. Which means you can apply it, forget about it and once the enemy hp gets to a certain threshold, the fight ends. On a pressure DK or a High Burst NB, I'm sure mages fury will easily be a contender for an execute.

And lightning splash, idk if anyone uses this in PvP, but I know its essential for PvE'rs aswell as most of the other skills mentioned above.

Lastly, IMO in no shape or form is storm calling weak. Im actually considering using it on a few builds.

Storm Calling is laughable in PvE.

In PvP, who cares.

Give lightning splash a buff for pve xif they think its poop. Otherwise the whole line is God tier pvp.

MurkyWetWolf198 wrote: »

I agree it’s valuable in PvP, but I think it severely underperforms in PvE

I mean, that's kind of begging the question though, isn't it? The whole point is that if you don't like the skill line for PvE... don't use it?

FoJul wrote: »

I really don't see an issue here, regarding pve. Just watching the post come through it seems like no PvE'r uses storm calling for anything, in that case why not go ahead and replace it?

Because they just told players who don't want to use pets to [snip] off and doubled down on the "Summoning only works with pets" line.
Now you come around and say that they shouldn't use Storm Calling either.
Which means that sorcerers have precisely one okay-ish damage ability, and the rest of Dark Magic is for support roles (which is good!) or simply not used either.

I would be fine with Storm Calling being a PvP-focused skill line (though I still don't understand how anyone can defend Liquid Lightning Flood), if there were alternatives.
There aren't, now that they killed Summoning for people without pets.

No matter how I slice it.. if I want to play the style I did before in pvp, while still retaining some sense of the lightning/dark magic theme I'm used to, in the most competitive way possible, it results in me making a new character to roll NB since it's the only way to take 2 NB skill lines to replace the crappy Sorc ones.

Hear me out for the playstyle I prefer, maybe it resonates with you. I like crit chance stacking for Crit Surge and damage dealing, I like zipping around with Streak, I like the AOE self dot growth of Hurricane and the movement speed it provides, I like the in/out flow of combat that restoring resources offers from Dark Deal, I like the mini games of Haunting Curse, Crystal Weapon, and Bound Armaments. I love the windy/stormy visuals of the abilities.

I basically use 2 skills from Dark Magic, 1-2 from Daedric Summoning, and 3 from Storm Calling, with the changes to Daedric Summoning pushing me out the door, subclassing 2/3 of my lines out seems more and more appropriate despite me liking the skills they offer. I'd just be shooting myself in the foot if I didn't. So..

Instead of Daedric Summoning, I use Assassination. I get Grim Focus instead of Bound Armaments, it's much stronger, I also get way better crit chance and crit DMG passives, I can also use minor savagery instead of minor prophecy, no more mag pots on my stam character. I also get access to 4 other great skills and an insanely good burst ultimate to replace the generic Dawnbreaker I've used for 10 years. Surprise Attack is way better than Crystal Weapon if I play melee. I don't need to use 2 hander for a gap closer. Killers Blade is the best execute in the game. The added 15-20% crit chance means proccing Crit Surge will be easier than ever. I don't even need a crit chance set.

Instead of Dark Magic, I use Siphoning. I replace Dark Deal with it's crappy 1s interruptable cast time with Siphoning Attacks to get passive sustain 24/7 without needing to manage a 10s buff, on the off chance I use it, I get both resource pools instead of 1. This ability also pairs nicely with Crit Surge in that it passively heals in the same way, except I don't even need to crit. Magicka Flood gives me 6% stam/mag, making up for the 10% stam/mag I lost from Daedric Summoning because I don't like pets apparently. If I did want to play with Hardened Ward, well now I have the best burst heal in the game which also provides minor vitality to better support Surge and Siphoning Attacks for passive heals. If I really wanted to experience Crystal Weapon still, I could slot Crushing Weapon which provides a better debuff via major breach anyway, albeit with a more annoying window.

Lastly I take Storm Calling for Hurricane, Crit Surge, and Streak retaining at least some identity from my favourite class... But wait, I can finally use Ball of Lightning to be more evasive because I now have 2 alternatives for stunning that I didn't have before from Surprise Attack and Death Stroke.

All in all, I get better skills and passives. The only thing I lose is my dignity because I'm not REALLY playing my idea of Sorc anymore.

Realistically, I did lose 6% cost reduction and 15% ult cost reduction, but I'd argue Siphoning Attacks and the Siphoning ult gen passives more than make up for that.

Minor Force from Dark Deal? NB passive.
Minor Berserk from Dark Deal? Ambush.

At least I can make Veiled Strike, Death Stroke, and Killers Blade purple, that's Sorc-y right?.. was that the plan all along? Or maybe it was for us to pretend to be Nightblade's with our red Hurricane and red Curse that we should no longer slot?

Storm Calling is something I'm married to, I can't drop it because of the lightning theme, but even in pvp I only use 3/6 skills, in pve I use 2/6. Fury is too weak in pve, too unreliable in pvp (easy to dodge unless you spam it like a zergling), Lightning Flood is useless and pathetic for pve, Hurricane is great but still missing the 1st tick of damage, Crit Surge is great but only for solo pve or pvp, Overload is terribly buggy and only useful for pvp ranged burst not pve dps. The passives are quite good, but aren't better than Assassination. The phys/shock passive is also undervalued and underwhelming in comparison to DK and Warden. It should really buff concussed/sundered proc chance as well.

In conclusion, the line is mid, it has some good highs and bad lows, overall it's mostly a damage + utility line that people will pick up for just to get good general passives and/or access to Streak and Surge. Sadly at this point for a Sorc no pet main, it's the only line worth using, odds are you'll end up doing 1/1/1 or rolling another character to do 2/1 from their class plus Storm Calling.. or Daedric Summoning to create a pet tamer.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The thing I am worried about is that ZOS (after the flood gate will be opened) will just start nerfing broken combos (cuz each class skill was never designed to be used in combo with a skill sourced from a different class). And they will be doing it, regardless of the class power budget. So, we will be left with each class only having like 1 or 3 good ability & passive in total... So that "clean" classes will be useless and new system will be mandatory....

This is my concern as well. And unfortunately it is bound to happen because this is the way zos do this kind of thing.

Stx wrote: »

Storm calling has great passives, so at least there’s that.

The skills need some love, particularly mages fury and lightning flood.

The whole skill line is solid except for mages fury and lightning flood.

TBH if they buff mages fury, they better buff impale, cause impale sucks so bad for us still rocking rangeblades.