Is Storm Calling too weak?

MurkyWetWolf198

Is this skill line underperforming? Should its’ skills be powered up?

MurkyWetWolf198

Can we see some upgrades to Mage’s Fury and it’s morphs that make them viable on PvE dps?

ForumBully

Weak? Surge, Lightning Form, and Streak...two very good sources of major buffs and untouched mobility. No, I wouldn't say weak. It seems to be confused because I don't know what lightning splash or mages fury are doing there or what they're supposed to be. Whatever it is, they haven't really been it yet.

MurkyWetWolf198

I agree it’s valuable in PvP, but I think it severely underperforms in PvE

ForumBully

MurkyWetWolf198 wrote: »

I agree it’s valuable in PvP, but I think it severely underperforms in PvE

I'd guess lightning splash and mages fury might be the PvE bits, and in that case, yes, they're beyond weak.

Renato90085

Some skill really bad
but still have some good in pvp and pve solo
but you know,I have a friend main mage sorc
he alway joke me
The storm calling is a skill line about lightning power
but sorc top 3 shock dmg skill from pet line

CameraBeardThePirate

It will be the second most used skill line after Assassination in PvP, bar none. It has an excellent ultimate, and excellent armor buff, Streak, a solid weapon damage buff/HoT, and a decent execute (albeit one that is much harder to use now). It also has some pretty strong passives.

In PvE I can see how it's not that useful, but you'd need to tweak the abilities that wouldn't affect PvP or this line will just become the de-facto armor buff tree that everyone takes (more than it already will be lol)

FoJul

Lol, especially with subclassing coming out. There are many concerning issues. The passives are all decent in storm calling. Better than a lot of other class passives.

Crit Surge is not supposed to be a main source of a heal, but it definitely needs to be noted in this argument. You can stack Heal spammables with crit surge and get absurd HPS rn. Swallow Soul/ Puncturing Sweep being the main ones I'm talking about. It gives major sorcery/brutality as well.

Lightning form/Hurricane has always had its place as a 3 in 1 resistance/ speed/ and pressure buff. Stacked for 1 ability.

Streak. Probably the best mobility tool in the game. Essentially a teleport that also stuns enemies *Unavoidable stun*.

Mages Fury may not be what it used to be, but it's still classified as the only *auto execute* skill in the game. Which means you can apply it, forget about it and once the enemy hp gets to a certain threshold, the fight ends. On a pressure DK or a High Burst NB, I'm sure mages fury will easily be a contender for an execute.

And lightning splash, idk if anyone uses this in PvP, but I know its essential for PvE'rs aswell as most of the other skills mentioned above.

Lastly, IMO in no shape or form is storm calling weak. Im actually considering using it on a few builds.

katorga

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

It will be the second most used skill line after Assassination in PvP, bar none. It has an excellent ultimate, and excellent armor buff, Streak, a solid weapon damage buff/HoT, and a decent execute (albeit one that is much harder to use now). It also has some pretty strong passives.

In PvE I can see how it's not that useful, but you'd need to tweak the abilities that wouldn't affect PvP or this line will just become the de-facto armor buff tree that everyone takes (more than it already will be lol)

Storm calling is useless in PVE other than the armor buff/dot.

The pet line is the pve dps line....pets as passive dots, and source of major berserk, prey to buff them. Meta sets + weapon skills for damage. Crystal Frags procs optional. I guess with subclassing a sorc would do pets, herald of tome for fatecarver, and Necro Gravelord or NB Assassination to buff fatecaver. The meta will be arc/NB/Necro subclass.

Modern pvp will be sub class NB Assassination, Storm Calling, + a healing/defense skill line. Or simply NB + streak.

(Actually, that is not right....modern pvp is ball group + rush of agony, northern storm, whirling blades/masters 2h cleave. )

Varana

Storm Calling is laughable in PvE.

In PvP, who cares.

Jestir

Lightning flood is horrendous and mages kill steal is fun to use but a joke

The other 3 skills are absolutely amazing tho

silky_soft

Give lightning splash a buff for pve xif they think its poop. Otherwise the whole line is God tier pvp.

FoJul

I really don't see an issue here, regarding pve. Just watching the post come through it seems like no PvE'r uses storm calling for anything, in that case why not go ahead and replace it?

The skill line has many uses, maybe not for specific parse builds or specific trial builds, but I can gurantee you there is only 1 questionable skill in that skill line. And that's a lot less than some other skill lines that have questionable use.

Sluggy

MurkyWetWolf198 wrote: »

I agree it’s valuable in PvP, but I think it severely underperforms in PvE

I mean, that's kind of begging the question though, isn't it? The whole point is that if you don't like the skill line for PvE... don't use it?

supabicboi

pvers are alrdy getting the whole deadric summoning line to themselves with the u46 update.

dont ask for any more pve related changes to any other sorc lines. or else sorc will just be a solely pve class by then. pvpers are alrdy asked to screw off to other subclasses if we dont want to play pet sorc - this is in the patch notes, if youre on the forums recent enough, you've probably alrdy seen the comments on the patch note spoilers that the devs put out. dont wanna pet sorc? then take away the whole skill line as a whole. disgusting.

get those pve hands off of sorc. its already dead enough buried into the depths of hell.

Varana

FoJul wrote: »

I really don't see an issue here, regarding pve. Just watching the post come through it seems like no PvE'r uses storm calling for anything, in that case why not go ahead and replace it?

Because they just told players who don't want to use pets to [snip] off and doubled down on the "Summoning only works with pets" line.
Now you come around and say that they shouldn't use Storm Calling either.
Which means that sorcerers have precisely one okay-ish damage ability, and the rest of Dark Magic is for support roles (which is good!) or simply not used either.

I would be fine with Storm Calling being a PvP-focused skill line (though I still don't understand how anyone can defend Liquid Lightning Flood), if there were alternatives.
There aren't, now that they killed Summoning for people without pets.

Zyaneth_Bal

Mage's fury is unarguably the weakest execute in the game and has stayed that way for most of eso's lifetime, lightning splash mostly isn't worth a slot in pve, lightning form and surge are ok, bolt escape is a good mobility tool in pvp but considering that it is the only good skill in the tree, storm calling falls behind massively compared to most skill lines. As I said lightning form and surge are ok but that's that, they can be easily replaced and certainly not worth slotting an entire skill tree for. People will surely argue how broken bolt escape is similar to how they always have ever seen 2014 but I assure you no good pvp build is going to use it, because the rest of the tree is mediocre as well as due to the reasons I explain below. Even now anyone is free to log in to pts and see that not a single sorcerer skill tree is being subclassed.

This raises the problem of sorcerer being unable to benefit from subclassing to the extent the other classes can. Not so in pve as in pvp where the best option is likely to not subclass at all. This is due to sorcerer's skill trees not being dedicated to any particular function, so healing/damage/survivability skills are all spread and mixed. Even other base game classes have some sort of differentiation. That is why sorcerer can't replace a skill tree without not only sacrificing some essential class skill but also ruining the very core of the build. For instance if one would want to slot a healing skill tree they would inevitably sacrifice a core damage skill and vice versa. Once again, because sorcerer's trees aren't dedicated to any role while those of other classes are. Thus by attempting to change any of build's aspects (say healing/survivability/damage) sorcerer inevitably takes a hit too big to be worth the trouble. And considering all this the class will likely fall behind due to the fact that other classes have received heavy buffs (which is subclassing) while sorc not only is excluded but has received big nerfs as well.

Some changes and moving would be welcome, something similar has been made only recently for nightblade's shadow and assassination skill trees

MashmalloMan

No matter how I slice it.. if I want to play the style I did before in pvp, while still retaining some sense of the lightning/dark magic theme I'm used to, in the most competitive way possible, it results in me making a new character to roll NB since it's the only way to take 2 NB skill lines to replace the crappy Sorc ones.

Hear me out for the playstyle I prefer, maybe it resonates with you. I like crit chance stacking for Crit Surge and damage dealing, I like zipping around with Streak, I like the AOE self dot growth of Hurricane and the movement speed it provides, I like the in/out flow of combat that restoring resources offers from Dark Deal, I like the mini games of Haunting Curse, Crystal Weapon, and Bound Armaments. I love the windy/stormy visuals of the abilities.

I basically use 2 skills from Dark Magic, 1-2 from Daedric Summoning, and 3 from Storm Calling, with the changes to Daedric Summoning pushing me out the door, subclassing 2/3 of my lines out seems more and more appropriate despite me liking the skills they offer. I'd just be shooting myself in the foot if I didn't. So..

Instead of Daedric Summoning, I use Assassination. I get Grim Focus instead of Bound Armaments, it's much stronger, I also get way better crit chance and crit DMG passives, I can also use minor savagery instead of minor prophecy, no more mag pots on my stam character. I also get access to 4 other great skills and an insanely good burst ultimate to replace the generic Dawnbreaker I've used for 10 years. Surprise Attack is way better than Crystal Weapon if I play melee. I don't need to use 2 hander for a gap closer. Killers Blade is the best execute in the game. The added 15-20% crit chance means proccing Crit Surge will be easier than ever. I don't even need a crit chance set.

Instead of Dark Magic, I use Siphoning. I replace Dark Deal with it's crappy 1s interruptable cast time with Siphoning Attacks to get passive sustain 24/7 without needing to manage a 10s buff, on the off chance I use it, I get both resource pools instead of 1. This ability also pairs nicely with Crit Surge in that it passively heals in the same way, except I don't even need to crit. Magicka Flood gives me 6% stam/mag, making up for the 10% stam/mag I lost from Daedric Summoning because I don't like pets apparently. If I did want to play with Hardened Ward, well now I have the best burst heal in the game which also provides minor vitality to better support Surge and Siphoning Attacks for passive heals. If I really wanted to experience Crystal Weapon still, I could slot Crushing Weapon which provides a better debuff via major breach anyway, albeit with a more annoying window.

Lastly I take Storm Calling for Hurricane, Crit Surge, and Streak retaining at least some identity from my favourite class... But wait, I can finally use Ball of Lightning to be more evasive because I now have 2 alternatives for stunning that I didn't have before from Surprise Attack and Death Stroke.

All in all, I get better skills and passives. The only thing I lose is my dignity because I'm not REALLY playing my idea of Sorc anymore.

Realistically, I did lose 6% cost reduction and 15% ult cost reduction, but I'd argue Siphoning Attacks and the Siphoning ult gen passives more than make up for that.

Minor Force from Dark Deal? NB passive.
Minor Berserk from Dark Deal? Ambush.

At least I can make Veiled Strike, Death Stroke, and Killers Blade purple, that's Sorc-y right?.. was that the plan all along? Or maybe it was for us to pretend to be Nightblade's with our red Hurricane and red Curse that we should no longer slot?

Storm Calling is something I'm married to, I can't drop it because of the lightning theme, but even in pvp I only use 3/6 skills, in pve I use 2/6. Fury is too weak in pve, too unreliable in pvp (easy to dodge unless you spam it like a zergling), Lightning Flood is useless and pathetic for pve, Hurricane is great but still missing the 1st tick of damage, Crit Surge is great but only for solo pve or pvp, Overload is terribly buggy and only useful for pvp ranged burst not pve dps. The passives are quite good, but aren't better than Assassination. The phys/shock passive is also undervalued and underwhelming in comparison to DK and Warden. It should really buff concussed/sundered proc chance as well.

In conclusion, the line is mid, it has some good highs and bad lows, overall it's mostly a damage + utility line that people will pick up for just to get good general passives and/or access to Streak and Surge. Sadly at this point for a Sorc no pet main, it's the only line worth using, odds are you'll end up doing 1/1/1 or rolling another character to do 2/1 from their class plus Storm Calling.. or Daedric Summoning to create a pet tamer.

Tommy_The_Gun

The thing I am worried about is that ZOS (after the flood gate will be opened) will just start nerfing broken combos (cuz each class skill was never designed to be used in combo with a skill sourced from a different class). And they will be doing it, regardless of the class power budget. So, we will be left with each class only having like 1 or 3 good ability & passive in total... So that "clean" classes will be useless and new system will be mandatory....

Zyaneth_Bal

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The thing I am worried about is that ZOS (after the flood gate will be opened) will just start nerfing broken combos (cuz each class skill was never designed to be used in combo with a skill sourced from a different class). And they will be doing it, regardless of the class power budget. So, we will be left with each class only having like 1 or 3 good ability & passive in total... So that "clean" classes will be useless and new system will be mandatory....

This is my concern as well. And unfortunately it is bound to happen because this is the way zos do this kind of thing.

Stx

Storm calling has great passives, so at least there’s that.

The skills need some love, particularly mages fury and lightning flood.

FoJul

Stx wrote: »

Storm calling has great passives, so at least there’s that.

The skills need some love, particularly mages fury and lightning flood.

The whole skill line is solid except for mages fury and lightning flood.

TBH if they buff mages fury, they better buff impale, cause impale sucks so bad for us still rocking rangeblades.

Zyaneth_Bal

FoJul wrote: »

Stx wrote: »

Storm calling has great passives, so at least there’s that.

The skills need some love, particularly mages fury and lightning flood.

The whole skill line is solid except for mages fury and lightning flood.

TBH if they buff mages fury, they better buff impale, cause impale sucks so bad for us still rocking rangeblades.

If you like storm calling then use it. You can stop with the class war now. There are no more classes