West Weald Treasure Map Leads are Bugged

Varana · January 31

This is probably also exacerbated by the fact that the RNG in this game is very prone to streaks. If you're unlucky a few times, it's very likely that you'll remain so until you change something drastic, like relog or wait a day.

Asdara · February 1

Varana wrote: »

This is probably also exacerbated by the fact that the RNG in this game is very prone to streaks. If you're unlucky a few times, it's very likely that you'll remain so until you change something drastic, like relog or wait a day.

i just did 40 more maps, nothing, its not bound to luck or rng at this point...

katanagirl1 · February 1

Only 3 more days left (effectively only 2 for me in my timezone) and I am losing hope this will be fixed before the event ends.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · February 1

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Just wanted to follow up here. Our teams are still looking into this. We tested on PC and leads are dropping, specifically with West Weald treasure maps on the live server. So we are not seeing an issue there. Still investigating.

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno The event is running out and the leads are still not dropping. The leads in West Weald are really feeling like a two times zero is still zero.

When investigating keep in mind that most of these leads are furniture and players want/need to get 3/3 of the antiquity so we can buy them. This has been one of the worst zones I've experienced with these rng lead drops from treasure maps, because not only does the drop rate seem to be abysmal, but there are also more items than any other zone.

The drop rate needs to be increased in general for these leads. Event or not.

Rishikesa108 · February 2

The situation with the West Weald leads was terrible before the event.
Now it's pretty much the same, because the probability of 0,0000000000001 % multiplied by two is still extremely close to zero.
I had no trouble getting the first codex of each lead.
From the second codex onwards it's a hopeless mess.
It makes no sense.
I play PC EU, if the information helps.

@ZOS_Kevin

Rishikesa108 · February 2

I forgot: the fact that the leads are not curated makes the situation worse.
In fact, there is an infinitesimal probability of obtaining a lead from West Weald treasure maps.
Then there is an extremely infinitesimal probability of obtaining a lead that is missing... in fact the system is blind and does not see at all what the player needs.

Horny_Poney · February 2

But maybe the player doesn’t seek a 3/3 codex, so it’s hard to determine what the player wants. On the other hand, what would a player want with a drop rate so low?

Rishikesa108 · February 2

Horny_Poney wrote: »

But maybe the player doesn’t seek a 3/3 codex, so it’s hard to determine what the player wants. On the other hand, what would a player want with a drop rate so low?

Everybody could seek everthing they want, but lets focus on what should be the game-goal. Here the game wants from us that we complete all codexes, maybe to buy something at the vendor... or just to have the codexes list completed.
This goal is not humanely possible, for the last DLCs. Unless someone is lucky enough to have a special account, one of those super-lucky ones.

katanagirl1 · February 2

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

Horny_Poney wrote: »

But maybe the player doesn’t seek a 3/3 codex, so it’s hard to determine what the player wants. On the other hand, what would a player want with a drop rate so low?

Everybody could seek everthing they want, but lets focus on what should be the game-goal. Here the game wants from us that we complete all codexes, maybe to buy something at the vendor... or just to have the codexes list completed.
This goal is not humanely possible, for the last DLCs. Unless someone is lucky enough to have a special account, one of those super-lucky ones.

Exactly,

Before this event, the only purple Ayleid furnishings I had were 12 Grand trees and one Simple tree. Now I have 14 Grand trees and the rest at only 1.

Granted, I did not dig up hundreds of maps like some of the other players here, but that is not significant progress for the several dozen that I did buy and dig up. I was looking forward to clearing out my inventory during this event but now I guess I will have to put those treasure maps in a storage chest and hope that someday this bug will be addressed.

It’s a big disappointment for an event that otherwise was actually quite good.

Asdara · February 2

Used the last 12 maps i had... NOTHING
i give up, this is beyond any rng i've seen i any video game so far

aussie500 · February 5

I never expected much so was not disappointed, I dug up about 10 maps on the PC-NA server, got the usual tree (even that had been missing a while) and a bonus tapestry lead, which I had already dug up more than 3 times. Kept them in the list hoping to get some of the more desirable leads, but nothing else, just the usual garbage. I was happy enough getting the tapesty, the tree I will destroy I have more than enough of them.

I would never buy a West Weald map, right from the start what we dug up was pretty worthless, I just used what I obtained across 3 accounts for my main account, from now on I will just sell them and be even less disappointed not seeing the garbage we get for them, and at least get a nice pile of gold.

If they at least had some paintings in the treasure map chests it would not be so disappointing not getting the leads. Since Gold Road was released I have dug up hundreds of the treasure maps and managed to get most furnishing leads at least twice. But overall they are the most disappointing treasure maps of any new chapter or DLC.

katanagirl1 · February 5

aussie500 wrote: »

I never expected much so was not disappointed, I dug up about 10 maps on the PC-NA server, got the usual tree (even that had been missing a while) and a bonus tapestry lead, which I had already dug up more than 3 times. Kept them in the list hoping to get some of the more desirable leads, but nothing else, just the usual garbage. I was happy enough getting the tapesty, the tree I will destroy I have more than enough of them.

I would never buy a West Weald map, right from the start what we dug up was pretty worthless, I just used what I obtained across 3 accounts for my main account, from now on I will just sell them and be even less disappointed not seeing the garbage we get for them, and at least get a nice pile of gold.

If they at least had some paintings in the treasure map chests it would not be so disappointing not getting the leads. Since Gold Road was released I have dug up hundreds of the treasure maps and managed to get most furnishing leads at least twice. But overall they are the most disappointing treasure maps of any new chapter or DLC.

I did get one painting out of the however many dozens of treasure maps I dug up but they seem to be very rare.

Heren · February 6

Behaviour of these leads feels* definitely weird. I saved treasure maps from West Weald and Apocrypha / Telvanni Peninsula since the launch of these chapters, and I use most of them during the event.

- No trouble getting first leads for Apocryphal well and the furnitures in WW ( I think I got them all ); for WW I think I looted a lead in almost every treasure on average.
- I excavate them to clear codex and thus get them a second time.
- The drop rate fell dramatically, I would say I spend close to the same amount of WW maps as in the first wave and get 2 leads; for the Apocryphal well online information about what treasure maps ( Apocrypha ones or TP ones, or both ) drop the leads are confused, but if both do the behaviour is consistent with the WW ones.

So, I'm happy to have at least one exemplary of these furnishing, but I wonder why further tentatives proved so unsuccessful compared to the first wave. Maybe I've missed some statement from ESO, and this is fully intentional to dramatically lower drop rate of leads once you've got one entry completed, but if it's the case, I don't think it is a good thing ( and yeah sure it could be worse I guess, like abysmal drop rate from the get go ). And if it's not intentional... well that's quite weird.

And yeah sure my observations are based on a low sample of treasure maps expended, but the difference in getting the first leads and try to get a second one really seemed to be huge, in this small and maybe rather irrelevant experience of mine.

Asdara · February 22

This is still very much alive and not fixed, please fix, i've even tested this on the pts it took hundred of maps to get a lead

Asdara · March 20

Update after update 45, this is still an issue, i've tested this also on the pts with same results, it takes hundred of maps to get a second lead/ third lead after getting the first one

RealLoveBVB · March 21

Asdara wrote: »

Update after update 45, this is still an issue, i've tested this also on the pts with same results, it takes hundred of maps to get a second lead/ third lead after getting the first one

How is it a bug, if you still got the 2nd or 3rd lead?

I am farming all codex entries and noticed since high isle, that they -dramatically- reduce the drop chance after the first lead.
It took me almost 100 imperial city prison runs to finally get all the "eye" leads.

The good thing with treasure map leads is, that you probably waste a lot of gold, while leads in trials, dungeons and arenas will waste a big bunch of your time.

katanagirl1 · March 21

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Asdara wrote: »

Update after update 45, this is still an issue, i've tested this also on the pts with same results, it takes hundred of maps to get a second lead/ third lead after getting the first one

How is it a bug, if you still got the 2nd or 3rd lead?

I am farming all codex entries and noticed since high isle, that they -dramatically- reduce the drop chance after the first lead.
It took me almost 100 imperial city prison runs to finally get all the "eye" leads.

The good thing with treasure map leads is, that you probably waste a lot of gold, while leads in trials, dungeons and arenas will waste a big bunch of your time.

Apparently that is the logic ZOS uses to determine if it’s a bug too, lol.

I’d like to see this fixed, I have maps in the bank and on my characters taking up space that I would like to use, but I’m not going to just throw them away when this is a known issue in the community.

RealLoveBVB · March 21

katanagirl1 wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Asdara wrote: »

Update after update 45, this is still an issue, i've tested this also on the pts with same results, it takes hundred of maps to get a second lead/ third lead after getting the first one

How is it a bug, if you still got the 2nd or 3rd lead?

I am farming all codex entries and noticed since high isle, that they -dramatically- reduce the drop chance after the first lead.
It took me almost 100 imperial city prison runs to finally get all the "eye" leads.

The good thing with treasure map leads is, that you probably waste a lot of gold, while leads in trials, dungeons and arenas will waste a big bunch of your time.

Apparently that is the logic ZOS uses to determine if it’s a bug too, lol.

I’d like to see this fixed, I have maps in the bank and on my characters taking up space that I would like to use, but I’m not going to just throw them away when this is a known issue in the community.

You can only determine whether if it's a bug or not, if you know the drop chances (percentages).

If those leads from maps have a 1% chance and you didn't get a drop after 50 maps, would you still call it a bug?

I am for sure not defending the devs- I can't understand myself why they decrease the drop chances after the first leads so drastically, especially on mythic items, where a 2nd or 3rd drop doesn't have any influence to the game at all.

But as said, I went through all this grinding and miss only a few codex 3 entries. At the end everything dropped. Only the devs can give you an answer, why they made the chances as they are.

katanagirl1 · March 22

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Asdara wrote: »

Update after update 45, this is still an issue, i've tested this also on the pts with same results, it takes hundred of maps to get a second lead/ third lead after getting the first one

How is it a bug, if you still got the 2nd or 3rd lead?

I am farming all codex entries and noticed since high isle, that they -dramatically- reduce the drop chance after the first lead.
It took me almost 100 imperial city prison runs to finally get all the "eye" leads.

The good thing with treasure map leads is, that you probably waste a lot of gold, while leads in trials, dungeons and arenas will waste a big bunch of your time.

Apparently that is the logic ZOS uses to determine if it’s a bug too, lol.

I’d like to see this fixed, I have maps in the bank and on my characters taking up space that I would like to use, but I’m not going to just throw them away when this is a known issue in the community.

You can only determine whether if it's a bug or not, if you know the drop chances (percentages).

If those leads from maps have a 1% chance and you didn't get a drop after 50 maps, would you still call it a bug?

I am for sure not defending the devs- I can't understand myself why they decrease the drop chances after the first leads so drastically, especially on mythic items, where a 2nd or 3rd drop doesn't have any influence to the game at all.

But as said, I went through all this grinding and miss only a few codex 3 entries. At the end everything dropped. Only the devs can give you an answer, why they made the chances as they are.

I suppose if you are lucky and get the full codex then it seems to be working properly, but it doesn’t if you can’t get more than one codex entry for all of them.

I can’t say I’ve ever read a reply where someone argued against making it easier for other players to get a lead on a double rng system like this, or any other lead for that matter. I’m baffled by this stance.

virtus753 · March 22

katanagirl1 wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Asdara wrote: »

Update after update 45, this is still an issue, i've tested this also on the pts with same results, it takes hundred of maps to get a second lead/ third lead after getting the first one

How is it a bug, if you still got the 2nd or 3rd lead?

I am farming all codex entries and noticed since high isle, that they -dramatically- reduce the drop chance after the first lead.
It took me almost 100 imperial city prison runs to finally get all the "eye" leads.

The good thing with treasure map leads is, that you probably waste a lot of gold, while leads in trials, dungeons and arenas will waste a big bunch of your time.

Apparently that is the logic ZOS uses to determine if it’s a bug too, lol.

I’d like to see this fixed, I have maps in the bank and on my characters taking up space that I would like to use, but I’m not going to just throw them away when this is a known issue in the community.

You can only determine whether if it's a bug or not, if you know the drop chances (percentages).

If those leads from maps have a 1% chance and you didn't get a drop after 50 maps, would you still call it a bug?

I am for sure not defending the devs- I can't understand myself why they decrease the drop chances after the first leads so drastically, especially on mythic items, where a 2nd or 3rd drop doesn't have any influence to the game at all.

But as said, I went through all this grinding and miss only a few codex 3 entries. At the end everything dropped. Only the devs can give you an answer, why they made the chances as they are.

I suppose if you are lucky and get the full codex then it seems to be working properly, but it doesn’t if you can’t get more than one codex entry for all of them.

I can’t say I’ve ever read a reply where someone argued against making it easier for other players to get a lead on a double rng system like this, or any other lead for that matter. I’m baffled by this stance.

Just because something may turn out not to be a bug doesn’t mean it can’t be a pain point or problem that can or should be addressed. The poster above even said they weren’t defending the devs here if this is their intention. That’s hardly arguing against changing the drop rates. It just means this isn’t necessarily the specific type of problem called a bug, from a factual standpoint. At this point we don’t know. The devs have said they incorrectly coded drop chances for leads before, but they have also made many intentional decisions that were not bugs but were (and in some cases still are) major pain points.

The devs do see a difference here when they collect feedback and data — the stickied post at the top of General asks us for our top five bugs and then top five pain points. Properly categorizing issues helps them process our feedback.

Additionally, it means that this issue can (and probably should) be discussed in General Discussion rather than Bug Reports. A report in the Bug Reports category that alleges a bug exists when the issue is not a bug is more easily dismissed by those collecting reports as “working as intended,” which risks missing the point of the feedback (that players are unhappy with current functionality). General Discussion also gets more traffic, so those experiencing this pain point and the devs themselves are likely to get feedback from more people about how much of an impact the issue is having. The more people they hear from, the larger they understand the issue to be, and the more inclined they should be to do something about it.

People who do consider this among their top five pain points/potential bugs might also want to include this in their replies to the Top Five stickied thread.

katanagirl1 · March 22

virtus753 wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Asdara wrote: »

Update after update 45, this is still an issue, i've tested this also on the pts with same results, it takes hundred of maps to get a second lead/ third lead after getting the first one

How is it a bug, if you still got the 2nd or 3rd lead?

I am farming all codex entries and noticed since high isle, that they -dramatically- reduce the drop chance after the first lead.
It took me almost 100 imperial city prison runs to finally get all the "eye" leads.

The good thing with treasure map leads is, that you probably waste a lot of gold, while leads in trials, dungeons and arenas will waste a big bunch of your time.

Apparently that is the logic ZOS uses to determine if it’s a bug too, lol.

I’d like to see this fixed, I have maps in the bank and on my characters taking up space that I would like to use, but I’m not going to just throw them away when this is a known issue in the community.

You can only determine whether if it's a bug or not, if you know the drop chances (percentages).

If those leads from maps have a 1% chance and you didn't get a drop after 50 maps, would you still call it a bug?

I am for sure not defending the devs- I can't understand myself why they decrease the drop chances after the first leads so drastically, especially on mythic items, where a 2nd or 3rd drop doesn't have any influence to the game at all.

But as said, I went through all this grinding and miss only a few codex 3 entries. At the end everything dropped. Only the devs can give you an answer, why they made the chances as they are.

I suppose if you are lucky and get the full codex then it seems to be working properly, but it doesn’t if you can’t get more than one codex entry for all of them.

I can’t say I’ve ever read a reply where someone argued against making it easier for other players to get a lead on a double rng system like this, or any other lead for that matter. I’m baffled by this stance.

Just because something may turn out not to be a bug doesn’t mean it can’t be a pain point or problem that can or should be addressed. The poster above even said they weren’t defending the devs here if this is their intention. That’s hardly arguing against changing the drop rates. It just means this isn’t necessarily the specific type of problem called a bug, from a factual standpoint. At this point we don’t know. The devs have said they incorrectly coded drop chances for leads before, but they have also made many intentional decisions that were not bugs but were (and in some cases still are) major pain points.

The devs do see a difference here when they collect feedback and data — the stickied post at the top of General asks us for our top five bugs and then top five pain points. Properly categorizing issues helps them process our feedback.

Additionally, it means that this issue can (and probably should) be discussed in General Discussion rather than Bug Reports. A report in the Bug Reports category that alleges a bug exists when the issue is not a bug is more easily dismissed by those collecting reports as “working as intended,” which risks missing the point of the feedback (that players are unhappy with current functionality). General Discussion also gets more traffic, so those experiencing this pain point and the devs themselves are likely to get feedback from more people about how much of an impact the issue is having. The more people they hear from, the larger they understand the issue to be, and the more inclined they should be to do something about it.

People who do consider this among their top five pain points/potential bugs might also want to include this in their replies to the Top Five stickied thread.

Have the devs said they expect the second leads for antiquities to take longer than the first? If they have, I missed it. I know it is hard to quantify when the number of maps per person could vary a lot, but many players have made this observation. Also, during the event it was clear to me that lead drop rates for other areas were significantly higher, but West Weald stopped dropping after the first lead. Now that the event is over, it is pointless to continue digging those maps up.

I appreciate your clarification, it is possible that the devs claim this is working as intended, just like Grim Focus red permaglow, but that would be at odds with how the system is viewed by many if not most players, including myself.

RealLoveBVB · March 22

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Have the devs said they expect the second leads for antiquities to take longer than the first? If they have, I missed it.

I think there isn't a statement at all about drop chances etc.
But most "chances" are determined by observations and comparisons.

A few examples:

They added a lead in halls of fabrication trial. When I ran that trial right after the lead was released, every single player got that lead. So the drop rate from the first lead is pretty much 100%.
When I went for codex 2 and ran hof again, I didn't got that lead. That means, the chance was decreased from 100% to something lower.

Another example is maelstrom, where they also added a lead. I saw, that me and my gf got that lead right on the first boss.
For codex 2 I ran 3 full maelstrom runs, where that lead still didn't drop yet (I suppose every boss will drop that lead, so the 2nd one is still missing after 27 chances). This also speaks for a decreased chance after the first lead drop.

Asdara · March 23

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Asdara wrote: »

Update after update 45, this is still an issue, i've tested this also on the pts with same results, it takes hundred of maps to get a second lead/ third lead after getting the first one

How is it a bug, if you still got the 2nd or 3rd lead?

I am farming all codex entries and noticed since high isle, that they -dramatically- reduce the drop chance after the first lead.
It took me almost 100 imperial city prison runs to finally get all the "eye" leads.

The good thing with treasure map leads is, that you probably waste a lot of gold, while leads in trials, dungeons and arenas will waste a big bunch of your time.

Apparently that is the logic ZOS uses to determine if it’s a bug too, lol.

I’d like to see this fixed, I have maps in the bank and on my characters taking up space that I would like to use, but I’m not going to just throw them away when this is a known issue in the community.

You can only determine whether if it's a bug or not, if you know the drop chances (percentages).

If those leads from maps have a 1% chance and you didn't get a drop after 50 maps, would you still call it a bug?

I am for sure not defending the devs- I can't understand myself why they decrease the drop chances after the first leads so drastically, especially on mythic items, where a 2nd or 3rd drop doesn't have any influence to the game at all.

But as said, I went through all this grinding and miss only a few codex 3 entries. At the end everything dropped. Only the devs can give you an answer, why they made the chances as they are.

Oh its bugged i can assure that, were not talking about 50 maps, were talking about hundreds (around 400) to get that lead.
And i've tested this on the PTS to see if i can reproduce that behavior.
If the first lead take around 10 maps and the second lead take about 400, dont you think theres an issue there? how can you defend that?
Even during tamriel celebration, event that was supposed to double the drop rate, nothing dropped and i stacked around 200 maps, filling every bank slot i had on all character i could make.

BretonMage · April 16

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

@Asdara, could you let us know what platform you play on? We have the team checking this out, so this info would be helpful.

Hi @ZOS_Kevin, I was wondering if there was any news on this? I've also been having problems with getting leads for the West Weald antiquities (as well as Infinite Archive leads), and also having the "Ayleid Sculpture, Grand Tree" dropping too many times instead. I'm on PCNA.

As others have mentioned, the drop chance for the first time (the first codex), is fine. I have the first drop of each West Weald antiquity from treasure maps, plus the second, but only for green level furnishings. It's the second and third drops for blues and purples that are impossible. (Not the Ayleid Sculpture Grand Tree, though, which drops like candy.)

I'd also like to add that I think the furnishing lead chances need to be boosted on Infinite Archive, because I haven't been able to get furnishing leads there either after the first round of leads have dropped.

Ingenon wrote: »

Thanks everyone for the explanations! I see from another thread that the OP apparently is codex farming, which I think means that they have the leads for all the purple antiquities in West Weald, and they are trying to get the leads again, like nine times. Which is not something I do in ESO. I will dig up an antiquity if I get the lead for it and I have never done it before. Otherwise, I tend to let leads "expire" if I have already dug them up once. So far I have not found a use for multiple copies of Ayleid Sculpture, Grand Tree, for example.

I know I'm replying to an older thread, but I just wanted to say that I usually don't bother codex farming (more like never, I'm so not a completionist), but sometimes you do need several pieces of a furnishing, and then you don't have much of a choice but to try to farm these leads.

Asdara · April 16

There's still an issue indeed, atm i'm hoarding west weald maps once again from infinite archive tuesday vendor to i can use them when its finally fixed.

@ZOS_Kevin i know there's been some testing around with the devs and this issue, but 400 maps to get a lead isn't a normal behavior...

RealLoveBVB · April 16

28 maps and 3 leads.

As said, they are dropping, but just with a horrible chance.

Asdara · April 16

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

28 maps and 3 leads.

As said, they are dropping, but just with a horrible chance.

this issue specifically targets Purple lead, 2nd and 3rd lead, be sure that it fall in that category

RealLoveBVB · May 11

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/677616/antiquities-codex-complete

Someone just got all the leads. He needed around 350 maps to finish those leads.
Maybe you could ask him about strategies there. On the first sight it looks like he didn't excavated any leads, where he got 3 entries already.

BahometZ · May 11

BetweenMidgets wrote: »

From a previous comment I've left on how I believe leads are done. (from here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8031327/#Comment_8031327 )

"Dig them up. It has no effect on what will drop for you.

I bought 300 maps and documented my drops, because like you, I was curious.

How I thought it would work: I could get the leads and just hold them, and then it would be removed from the RNG list and I would receive a different lead that I may desire more. (I wanted 3 of each so I could but the items outright from the vendor.)

Reality: It appears that the leads list is not curated. What I mean is this appears to be the process by which you can obtain a lead (though I am going to break this apart pretty granularly but potentially some of these steps are all in one. This will work for us for illustration purposes, though).
FIRST, you dig up your map.
SECOND, you get your RNG roll. Did you RNG bless you with a lead? If yes, the third step is visible.
THIRD, it rolls to see what lead you get. If you already have that lead in your list you will simply not see a lead at all.

I went 42 maps without getting a lead, when I had the "easy" leads just chilling in my queue.

I absolutely know this is not what you wanted to hear, it really sucks.

It is COMPLETELY possible I am wrong, and maybe in those 42 maps the chance rate was just SO LOW that it never procced in that time. I doubt it, but I'm open to being wrong, I would truly welcome it, really."

I found this is how the blackwood treasure map motif farm went back in the day. I did the same method as you, was sitting on 12/14 motif leads and it basically lead to no drops at all, because it was giving me leads I already had. So I just ended up scrying everything and selling dupes as I went. Spent millions.
God I hate the lead system.

BretonMage · May 11

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/677616/antiquities-codex-complete

Someone just got all the leads. He needed around 350 maps to finish those leads.
Maybe you could ask him about strategies there. On the first sight it looks like he didn't excavated any leads, where he got 3 entries already.

Yes, thanks for the tip, it does seem like he left leads unscryed/unexcavated. Otherwise he would have 400 Ayleid Sculpture, Grand Trees.