I see no problem making what was already the most powerful single target burst ability in the game twice as strong.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/676274/double-spec-bow#latest

I like the idea of being able to go above 5 stacks but they should have capped it at 6 or 7 just to give players some wiggle room.

Back to back arrows is indeed pretty insane for PvP.

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

I see no problem making what was already the most powerful single target burst ability in the game twice as strong.

It will be stronger at full stacks me thinks. This might actually be worse than the ward buff. It's bananas

I don't mean to be hyperbolic when I say that this 100% out of touch with pvp and with the reality we all experience on live. It's crazy.

It's pretty nuts. Nightblade has so much damage that I literally feel bad playing any other class that isn't a Sorc on live. And they decided to.... buff their damage further? Hello? In the same patch they're introducing yet another poorly thought out Major Force Mythic Item? In the same patch that you're able to gain even more crit damage by subbing in Herald, Aedric Spear, or Animal Companions?

I just don't understand how they didn't see that this would be an issue. The Assassination tree could've received heavy nerfs this patch and it still would've been extremely desirable for subclassing.

sweatapodimas wrote: »

On PTS I see no difference, I thin you just get 450 sd/wd at 10 so far, but there are several wonky things afoot, like my nb's arm popping out of joint...yikes

Well, there's this I guess. Others are saying 600sd/wd.

Either way it's still back to backbspec bows. Can I have b2b dawnbreakers too?

olsborg wrote: »

bound armaments thingie also got the same treatment, dunno why they did this, wierd change tbh

Except in the case of Bound Armaments, they decided it needed a 10% damage nerf.

As for Merciless? The skill that hits almost twice as hard as 4 bound daggers combined? Nah it's good no problem here.

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sweatapodimas wrote: »

On PTS I see no difference, I thin you just get 450 sd/wd at 10 so far, but there are several wonky things afoot, like my nb's arm popping out of joint...yikes

Well, there's this I guess. Others are saying 600sd/wd.

Either way it's still back to backbspec bows. Can I have b2b dawnbreakers too?

The 450 and 600 figures are correct for their respective morphs.

Grim Focus and Merciless Resolve allow 10 stacks of 45 for 450 total.

Relentless Focus gives 10 stacks of 60 for 600 total. (The morph starts at 57 per stack at rank I and reaches 60 per stack at rank IV).

Then you throw in your weapon/spell damage modifiers (Major/Minor Brutality/Sorcery, Balanced Warrior, medium armor passives, etc.).

That's why this skill is also now great for slotting passively on the back bar. A character buffed for dungeons and trials could easily have a modifier over 40%, at which point the 600 from Relentless Focus translates to 840+ effective WD/SD just for slotting this skill and light attacking. That's over 80% of the fifth-piece bonus from Coral Riptide when that set is maxed (740 WD/SD), and this takes up one backbar slot rather than a whole five-piece plus stam management. It also brings with it a nice amount of crit chance from the line's passives.

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

I see no problem making what was already the most powerful single target burst ability in the game twice as strong.

It will be stronger at full stacks me thinks. This might actually be worse than the ward buff. It's bananas

I don't mean to be hyperbolic when I say that this 100% out of touch with pvp and with the reality we all experience on live. It's crazy.

It's pretty nuts. Nightblade has so much damage that I literally feel bad playing any other class that isn't a Sorc on live. And they decided to.... buff their damage further? Hello? In the same patch they're introducing yet another poorly thought out Major Force Mythic Item? In the same patch that you're able to gain even more crit damage by subbing in Herald, Aedric Spear, or Animal Companions?

I just don't understand how they didn't see that this would be an issue. The Assassination tree could've received heavy nerfs this patch and it still would've been extremely desirable for subclassing.

Sorc and NB gonna be fine, probably s tier pvp because they will essentially be the same class.

I play my NB and sorc identically, same sets even. weave LA/Spammable into Merciless or frag proc with various set permutations a 33K pen version, a proc set version, a druagrkin/status version....it all works. mobility/fat heals or shields to stay alive. Endless sustain on both classes.

Now I get best of both....Double merciless procs, streak, massive spell damage and high crit/crit damage. I'll probably use Warden winter embrace for heals/defense

I feel like people are still considering this a nightblade buff...how about Shalks, Dawn breaker, Bow, Bow...Curse, Frag Bow, Bow....this is all around a terrible idea, way beyond worrying about another spec bow after Incap.

This is Oprah handing out spec bows everywhere. This is everyone running around with a free 1k damage on their bar just deciding when to use it

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What they meant to say is "when your on back bar casting hots or dots, it still counts towards your bow now thst you can hold 2 of them. So missing the 5th light attack doesn't hurt you since now you can shoot 2 bows.

When I read it for the first time I thought it was "you can go up to 10 stacks but using an arrow consumes every stack" and I thought it was great : missing a merciless on pve stamblade is really punishing so I thought this would give us a little more room for error, as you still get a little weapon damage as a bonus. The thought that anyone would think about allowing double bow procs didn't even cross my mind

Each patch I think it can't get any dumber but zos is pushing the limit further everytime xD