[Possible Bug] Hydroglass Shield from the Blind set does not trigger the effect of Naga Shaman set

Oceanchanter · January 6

I call it a possible bug, cause I'm not sure.
The wording on the Naga Shaman set says "when you apply damage shield to yourself or your ally".
Hydroglass Shield from the Blind set should count as "apply damage shield", right?

So anyway, my bug report.
I don't know if that's how ZOS's testers write bug reports, but I'll do my best.
____

When Hydroglass Damage Shield from the Blind set is applied on the Player, the effect of Naga Shaman set stays inactive.

Steps to reproduce:

1. Have a playable character of any class and race.
2. Turn on the Title.
3. Log into the Game.
4. Acquire 5 set pieces from Naga Shaman armor set (chest, sash, legs, boots, gloves).
5. Acquire 2 pieces of the Blind Monster Helm set (head, shoulders).
6. Equip both sets.
7. Use a healing ability.
8. Trigger critical healing from a healing ability.
9. Observe Hydroglass Damage Shield from the Blind set being activated and Naga Shaman's set effect staying inactive despite damage shield being applied to the Player.

Attachments:

Naga Shaman description.

The Blind set description.

Soarora · January 6

"Procs don't proc procs", so it's probably not a bug.

Solariken · January 6

Soarora wrote: »

"Procs don't proc procs", so it's probably not a bug.

Patently false, most procs can proc procs.

UntilValhalla13 · January 6

"when YOU apply damage shield to yourself or your ally".

You're not applying the damage shield; the blind is.

virtus753 · January 6

Solariken wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

"Procs don't proc procs", so it's probably not a bug.

Patently false, most procs can proc procs.

1) That is a paraphrase of official patch notes. While some procs do proc procs, the devs have made it clear that set procs are not intended to proc other sets.

“Yo dawg, we heard you didn't like procs so we made sure your procs can't proc more procs.”

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/460633/pc-mac-patch-notes-v4-3-5-wrathstone-update-21

2) Where are you getting the “most” from?

For some reason proc sets are allowed to proc status effects, but procced status effects should not proc sets, glyphs should not proc proc sets (that’s notably how we lost a common way to proc EC and Encratis on supports), proc sets shouldn’t proc each other, and some proc CP don’t proc off of proc sets either (e.g. Reaving Blows). That’s a lot of procs not proccing procs.

Oceanchanter · January 6

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

"when YOU apply damage shield to yourself or your ally".

You're not applying the damage shield; the blind is.

You don't apply a shield.
The skill applies shield.
(I'm being petty for comedic effect)

Eh either way, this thread can be closed after someone from ZOS can clarify if it's intended or not.
Cause I've seen procs procing procs, procs nor procking procs, and procs procing procs that shouldn't be procked if we follow the dev's statement that procs shouldn't proc procs.

Could test it further if I remember correctly that Prayer Shawl is proced by some self-healing set, cause I have a vague memory it does, but I'm out of resources.

virtus753 · January 6

Oceanchanter wrote: »

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

"when YOU apply damage shield to yourself or your ally".

You're not applying the damage shield; the blind is.

You don't apply a shield.
The skill applies shield.
(I'm being petty for comedic effect)

Eh either way, this thread can be closed after someone from ZOS can clarify if it's intended or not.
Cause I've seen procs procing procs, procs nor procking procs, and procs procing procs that shouldn't be procked if we follow the dev's statement that procs shouldn't proc procs.

Could test it further if I remember correctly that Prayer Shawl is proced by some self-healing set, cause I have a vague memory it does, but I'm out of resources.

ZOS has already confirmed that "the core rule is that procs should not trigger other procs." The situation under discussion here falls squarely under that rule.

It would be a proc proccing a proc that would be the exception or a bug. So I am genuinely curious what specific procs you have seen proccing procs, other than proc sets proccing status effects (which is known to ZOS and appears to be a deliberate exception, in light of the way they changed Runecarver's Blaze).

Thanks for the mention of Prayer Shawl - do you recall which self-healing set did this and when you noticed it? ZOS did a major pass for these interactions back in March of 2022, which is when glyphs stopped proccing proc sets like Encratis and EC. This change was phrase as: "Fixed an issue where many enchantments, poisons, and item sets were not properly labeled as procs." Since these things all require the proper labels, it would be easy for an interaction to be missed and for a proc to be proccing a proc unintentionally. That doesn't invalidate the "core rule" they have reiterated numerous times.

Oceanchanter · January 6

virtus753 wrote: »

Oceanchanter wrote: »

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

"when YOU apply damage shield to yourself or your ally".

You're not applying the damage shield; the blind is.

You don't apply a shield.
The skill applies shield.
(I'm being petty for comedic effect)

Eh either way, this thread can be closed after someone from ZOS can clarify if it's intended or not.
Cause I've seen procs procing procs, procs nor procking procs, and procs procing procs that shouldn't be procked if we follow the dev's statement that procs shouldn't proc procs.

Could test it further if I remember correctly that Prayer Shawl is proced by some self-healing set, cause I have a vague memory it does, but I'm out of resources.

ZOS has already confirmed that "the core rule is that procs should not trigger other procs." The situation under discussion here falls squarely under that rule.

It would be a proc proccing a proc that would be the exception or a bug. So I am genuinely curious what specific procs you have seen proccing procs, other than proc sets proccing status effects (which is known to ZOS and appears to be a deliberate exception, in light of the way they changed Runecarver's Blaze).

Thanks for the mention of Prayer Shawl - do you recall which self-healing set did this and when you noticed it? ZOS did a major pass for these interactions back in March of 2022, which is when glyphs stopped proccing proc sets like Encratis and EC. This change was phrase as: "Fixed an issue where many enchantments, poisons, and item sets were not properly labeled as procs." Since these things all require the proper labels, it would be easy for an interaction to be missed and for a proc to be proccing a proc unintentionally. That doesn't invalidate the "core rule" they have reiterated numerous times.

Not at this moment, I can't recall.
Gonna check should I get the chance. Maybe something will jug my memory.
I will open a new thread if I can replicate such interaction.

If they confirmed that in 2022, I think I know why I took it for a bug.
I had a break playing ESO, jumping in from time to time if anything, and didn't really experiment with builds.

I'm pretty sure this thread can be closed, considering the information I was given.