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Cyrodiil without cheating
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Jierdanit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just_Attivi wrote: »Without theory crafting, the ability to try new and outside-the-box ideas, this game would be beyond stale so fast. I get that not everyone is great at coming up with builds, but to say theory crafting is not good for the population is ridiculous. why bother having different sets at all then? or even different skills? we should all just stand in our nordic bathing towels in a field, punching eachother. Not everyone has all DLC, is DLC gear bad for the population? Not everybody is good with bar swapping, should we not be allowed to have 2 bars? Not everyone has a super computer and a 4k monitor, should we only be able to play in 480 resolution? maybe we can count pixels then, because it would be more entertaining than playing at that point.
I dont say this to bash, but to explain the perspective that the freedom to try and create different builds and ideas is a big draw of this game, and a big part of competition. even major sports, lets use baseball, what do pitchers do... throw that curve ball occasionally. batters? maybe they bunt the ball instead of swinging for that home run. its the unexpected. when you can hit a player with a set up they were not expecting, rather than 'oh boy, another shield spamming sorc waiting for frags' or 'another mech acuity warden running in circles with 40k hp until northern storm is up" the variety of builds freshens things up, makes counterplay uncertain because this ones different than the others. People who dedicate time to the game, be it baseball in this example, or theory crafting and PVPing, should and will be better than people who dont take the time to understand the nuances. is the skill gap absolutely massive? yes. but thats all competition. There will always be someone who is better, or has more time, or has a bigger group of friends to team up, its just a part of open world pvp. You will not always be the champion, and thats a fact for all matters of life. dumbing everything down to level the playing field to the entry level would only make things more boring, and drive away people who actually want to be competitive. and then youd be left just heavy attacking guards and light attacking walls.
TL;DR - variety is the spice of life, embrace it rather than eating plain oatmeal every day. and theres always a bigger fish, train to take on the bigger fish, accept your place as a smaller fish, or pay the fisherman off to take out the bigger fish for you.
Ever thought about choice overload leading to fatigue, dissatisfaction and lower confidence?
Many players can't do theorycafting because they are not getting to that stage.
When there are players that somehow manage to always come with optimal builds, it's effect is even growing to the level of quitting. Not good for the population then right.
There is indeed a comparison between this game and some sports were the competition only can be won by doping behind the scenes.
Even Arnold S admitted the use of steroids.
Theorycrafting is not doping though.
It's just the people who "work" the most and "practice" the most are the most effective.
Just like in sports.
Not everyone who is good is cheating.PC/EU, StamSorc Main2 -
Jierdanit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »Wait, OP is an EP PvP GM?
well my sympathy has kinda disappeared.
At least in one of the biggest EP zergling guilds on PC/EU. (Not sure if the GM)
Exactly the type of player that always complains about everyone cheating.
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Major_Mangle✭✭✭✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »Wait, OP is an EP PvP GM?
well my sympathy has kinda disappeared.
Last time I checked Tigor's guild spend a large majority of their time PvDooriing Blackreach on PCEU. EP on Blackreach on PCEU is most of the times 3 bars/locked while other factions is at 1-2 bars outside of weekends (been a month or so since I played Cyro so things could've changed). Meanwhile EP on Greyhost are usually 1-2 bars while other factions are locked. It baffles me how a "PvP guild" prefers to Pvdoor on Blackreach rather than fight other factions on the only really populated campaign.Edited by Major_Mangle on 31 December 2024 18:32Ps4 EU 2016-2020
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Tigor✭✭✭Just some anonymous reactions. How typical.GM - Decimation Elite - Ebonheart Pact - Cyrodiil (PC/EU) - aka Tigor (AR50), Leopard Tank (AR50) , Captain-Caveman (AR50), Tigors Claw (AR50), -Bud Spencer (AR50)0 -
Tigor✭✭✭
Then you must have been hiding somewhere.GM - Decimation Elite - Ebonheart Pact - Cyrodiil (PC/EU) - aka Tigor (AR50), Leopard Tank (AR50) , Captain-Caveman (AR50), Tigors Claw (AR50), -Bud Spencer (AR50)0 -
Jierdanit✭✭✭✭✭
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BGs mostly cause zergs like yours (and ballgroups) are making Cyro awful for anyone who doesn't like to zerg as well.
Being chased by 15 zerglings is mostly not fun.Edited by Jierdanit on 31 December 2024 21:36PC/EU, StamSorc Main1 -
Oblivion_Protocol✭✭✭✭If I had a dollar for every time someone accused me of cheating after I killed them, I’d probably be able to buy ZoS better servers myself. There is such a fundamental lack of knowledge about abilities, passives, gear sets, and classes, people will get deleted in seconds and immediately assume it’s a hack, cheat, or exploit.
Don’t get me wrong; I’ve seen cheats and exploits in Cyro. They were more related to people getting into enemy keeps without sieging. But someone who beats you in a fight consistently is most likely just better than you.7 -
Tigor✭✭✭Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »If I had a dollar for every time someone accused me of cheating after I killed them, I’d probably be able to buy ZoS better servers myself. There is such a fundamental lack of knowledge about abilities, passives, gear sets, and classes, people will get deleted in seconds and immediately assume it’s a hack, cheat, or exploit.
Don’t get me wrong; I’ve seen cheats and exploits in Cyro. They were more related to people getting into enemy keeps without sieging. But someone who beats you in a fight consistently is most likely just better than you.
If it is the lack of knowledge that might not be provided enough by the basic game to support theorycrafting then that is a missed opportunity.
Instead of calling good players cheaters, I am looking for something else to name them. That would be a revolution.GM - Decimation Elite - Ebonheart Pact - Cyrodiil (PC/EU) - aka Tigor (AR50), Leopard Tank (AR50) , Captain-Caveman (AR50), Tigors Claw (AR50), -Bud Spencer (AR50)1 -
Jierdanit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »If I had a dollar for every time someone accused me of cheating after I killed them, I’d probably be able to buy ZoS better servers myself. There is such a fundamental lack of knowledge about abilities, passives, gear sets, and classes, people will get deleted in seconds and immediately assume it’s a hack, cheat, or exploit.
Don’t get me wrong; I’ve seen cheats and exploits in Cyro. They were more related to people getting into enemy keeps without sieging. But someone who beats you in a fight consistently is most likely just better than you.
If it is the lack of knowledge that might not be provided enough by the basic game to support theorycrafting then that is a missed opportunity.
Instead of calling good players cheaters, I am looking for something else to name them. That would be a revolution.
How about just calling them good players?PC/EU, StamSorc Main3 -
Oblivion_Protocol✭✭✭✭If it is the lack of knowledge that might not be provided enough by the basic game to support theorycrafting then that is a missed opportunity.
Instead of calling good players cheaters, I am looking for something else to name them. That would be a revolution.
You’ve already named them. They’re good players. Period. Not every loss you take involves shenanigans or foul play. Sometimes, you’re just outplayed.
And no game ever provides knowledge for theorycrafting. That’s why it’s called theorycrafting. You have to find it out for yourself by testing builds, gear, and abilities.5 -
Just_Attivi✭✭✭✭^^^
and if you dont like theory crafting , or cant dedicate the time to it, or cant afford the absurd material costs of trying builds, watch a youtube video or two, see a build that meets your goals, and follow it, then adjust it to your more specific needs. Dont want to watch a video? theres literally build advisors in game on skill selection, and while they might not be the best/most descriptive build paths for your specific purpose, no one who doesn't put in the time to achieve greatness will ever be great. Take that build, and start adjusting it to your needs by swapping food/glyphs/mundus/attributes/CP to meet sustain/damage/defense needs.
Every athlete who is great isnt a cheater. some are, sure, but most arent.
Every gamer who is great isnt a cheater. some are, sure, but most arent.
It took me countless times getting entirely destroyed in pvp before i 'got mediocre' I wont even say I 'got good,' because its competitive, it takes practice, I was pure trash for the first like, year I tried to PVP, and I mostly stuck to the zerg. It took me going out on my own and really learning the classes, mechanics, and skills in a PVP setting without the support of a whole faction, to really start improving, which involved getting whacked numerous times before I started succeeding. Ive since been called a cheater all the time simply because people dont understand mechanics/skills/sets/basic combat functions like block and dodge. Sure, the game could be better about explaining these things, I 100% agree. But the game poorly explaining things does not mean people who actually took the time to learn them are cheaters.
Not going to debate it further, as it seems like this is really just a thread about someone not understanding how they got X'd, and the only solution really is OP taking time to understand things better, and to that, I wish you the best of luck on your endeavors.2 -
StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I usually play in offline mode to avoid being whispered by my opponents. Occasionally they will send me a mail saying I'm cheating and threaten to report me.
I've always wondered why they never asked me to help them improve. On very rare occasions I've received mails asking for my build and tips, and I will always go out of my way to help them. It's a mentality thing imo.Platform:
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xylena_lazarow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Cheating claims without hard evidence don't need to be met in good faith. They aren't made in good faith.PC/NA || CP/Cyro || RIP soft caps2 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've been back a couple of weeks and rusty as, already been called a cheater. EP never changes.PC EU2 -
Durham✭✭✭✭✭
✭I PVP every night I do not see cheating. I can tell within 3-4 seconds of fighting someone if they can kill me. I run into these players every night and they are not cheating. Most of these guys you will find running structure in the game, using LOS like rocks, towers, or boxes in keeps
PVP DEADWAIT
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Tigor✭✭✭The best players in Cyrodiil recognise returning patterns and know who they should fight or need to avoid.GM - Decimation Elite - Ebonheart Pact - Cyrodiil (PC/EU) - aka Tigor (AR50), Leopard Tank (AR50) , Captain-Caveman (AR50), Tigors Claw (AR50), -Bud Spencer (AR50)1
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Arrow312✭✭✭✭✭Most of the cheaters are on Ressources or in towers or near rocks, trees, boxes.....But sometimes i ran into them with my pve build and they killed me instant....i never prebuff me....
There are a few cheaters for sure but in 99% the so called cheaters using LOS, are exp players with a optimised PvP Build.Edited by Arrow312 on 3 January 2025 11:09Xbox EU Server X'ing, Small Scale PvP, Ballgroup PvP <- deinstalliert
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MincMincMinc✭✭✭✭What is cheating?
Do you think people are using cheat engine? Are macros cheating? Do you consider slotting gear cheating? Do you think people who test their builds cheating?
This thread has no purpose..... OP gave us no info other than they are a GM that somehow thinks people can "cheat".2 -
xylena_lazarow✭✭✭✭✭
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Seriously. Why hasn't this thread been locked? Aren't there rules against baseless accusations?MincMincMinc wrote: »This thread has no purposePC/NA || CP/Cyro || RIP soft caps3 -
MincMincMinc✭✭✭✭xylena_lazarow wrote: »
Seriously. Why hasn't this thread been locked? Aren't there rules against baseless accusations?MincMincMinc wrote: »This thread has no purpose
What is funny is that when someone makes a serious info drop thread itll get 0 responses even though it is very important and has great ideas...... then there will be threads like this that are complete fluff with tons of replies in random directions.
Its like how the pts thread isnt moderated enough during pts cycles. You see all of the random threads that have nothing to do with testing or upcoming changes. Half the threads on the last cycle were "nb toggle = bad.....cuz me no likey". Meanwhile people discussing cost structures of how cloak would work in actual combat were completely overshadowed.
It is almost better to make a controversial crazy take and then try to convince people to the middleground that you originally planned.2 -
StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The best players in Cyrodiil recognise returning patterns and know who they should fight or need to avoid.
It’s more like game recognizes game. Assuming they’re equally matched, it would take them just as much effort 1v1ing each other as 1v4ing less skilled opponents. Most players would rather spend that time 1v4ing because it’s simply more thrilling. If I wanted to 1v1 someone as good as me, I would just go to Stormhaven/Bergama.Platform:
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Turtle_Bot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MincMincMinc wrote: »It is almost better to make a controversial crazy take and then try to convince people to the middleground that you originally planned.
As much as I hate to admit it, this is exactly the lesson I learnt back in U36/37 when I created a massive thread to put forward ideas to fix/rework sorc (long before ward buff).
I probably would have gotten better results with far less trolling/hate if I had just made a bait thread screaming "Sorc = dead class" instead of putting forward detailed ideas, to bring sorc to a strong but balanced state (which included nerfs to streak to get access to a heal, which still wasn't enough of a trade-off for the anti-sorc brigade plaguing the forums at the time).
This is also the main reason why I don't bother to create such threads myself anymore (I still sometimes comment on the other threads that occasionally pop up, if they are reasonable, since I do like discussing the different ideas people come up with due to theorycrafting being something I really enjoy). Unfortunately the effort is just not worth the constant badgering, trolling, baiting, dismissive comments, etc. from the many blatantly biased commenters on the forums.0 -
PureEnvelope35✭✭✭✭This what you mean by 'cheating'? Friends of mine here who just have a very optimised 4 man group, they hardly use addons for the most part, nevermind 'cheating' (hardly possible on ESO as in the last 10 years I have seen maybe, 3? actual cheat engine cases and they usually get banned extremely quickly, think Infinite ult spam ages ago.)
https://medal.tv/games/eso/clips/jgroAagX3NiBnoDue/8OJRhr1Fpl8z?invite=cr-MSxCMFgsMTYwMDg0MzUzLAFashion is the true endgame.PC EU1 -
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IKR? Now delete Sorc from the game and give me god modeTurtle_Bot wrote: »As much as I hate to admit it, this is exactly the lesson I learnt back in U36/37 when I created a massive thread to put forward ideas to fix/rework sorc (long before ward buff).
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Tigor✭✭✭MincMincMinc wrote: »
This thread has no purpose..... OP gave us no info other than they are a GM that somehow thinks people can "cheat".
The purpose is to recognise different situations. Improve by seeing and accepting also that better players exist. Learning and adapting to the possibility that what looks like a cheat can only be assessed as exploids or optimised builds.
How those are spread is still questionable and the access is sometimes not easy. Lets hope players are not really hacking or using CE. To be very effective with this matter when it impairs demeanor. Fights can't always be won. Our guild is still doing very well.Turtle_Bot wrote: »This is also the main reason why I don't bother to create such threads myself anymore (I still sometimes comment on the other threads that occasionally pop up, if they are reasonable, since I do like discussing the different ideas people come up with due to theorycrafting being something I really enjoy). Unfortunately the effort is just not worth the constant badgering, trolling, baiting, dismissive comments, etc. from the many blatantly biased commenters on the forums.
Sorry was not meant like this. I changed my mind about theorycrafting.
And yes the sorcs hit hard, it must be fun to play them.GM - Decimation Elite - Ebonheart Pact - Cyrodiil (PC/EU) - aka Tigor (AR50), Leopard Tank (AR50) , Captain-Caveman (AR50), Tigors Claw (AR50), -Bud Spencer (AR50)0
