Sarannah wrote: »

Nice train of thought OP. Hopefully your trial and error may help someone else figure out their problems too. And hopefully you get your issue fixed as well.

I read it all. Just a few notes:

-You keep mentioning updated all drivers, have you also installed the chipset, audio, and lan drivers for your motherboard?


EVERYTHING UPDATED , I do not do it by halves, as that's when you introduce errors


-It could actually be a memory overheating error, have you tried setting the speed 200 mhzs lower than its max? (this is something I always do)

Overheating is not an issue, as the Corsair Icue reports the memory temps, as well as everything else, which has been double checked with HWI monitor.


-Are you sure the memory speed you selected is supported by your motherboard?

Max Supported Memory Speed is 7800, this is 6400, well below... But if you want to get really technical, then you would get from the manual that the Highest Supported sped on a motherboard is for a Single DIMM, the more you add the less speed is supported, in my case its 6400, which is what I have

-Have you checked your motherboard specs to see your possible maximum CPU ghz, and made sure it is below that? (When I bought my new computer, my CPU was set to run at 6.0 ghz, while my motherboard(Z790) only supported cpu's up to 5.8 ghz)
-Make sure to set your ram to run with similar voltage. (there is no reason ram should run at differing voltages)

the CPU is matched to the Motherboard, and then PBO was run to set the curve optimisation. All done for Economy Not Performance, LMAO You Seen the cost of power these days Plus it's an AMD platform, you do not need to worry at all about Voltage overloads and Heat dissipation as per the intel 13000 / 14000 Chips


-Turn off AA in-game, not all videocards support all AA types. You will have to check the manufacturer website to check this.
-Last possible thingy, which is unlikely to happen: Is anything in your case overheating? With watercooling, people often forget the air inside a computer gets hotter and hotter, which still needs to flow to the outside of the case. For example memory cooling most often depends on a good airflow, even if your cpu and gpu are watercooled the airflow needs to be there.

The whole system is an Open loop, with 6 Corsair QX 120mm Fans to ensure the airflow inside, Being 80% Blind, the graphicvs are always set to the minimum, Fancy is wasted on blinbd gits who cannot see anything but blobs lol


Maybe this info can help your train of thought and solutionfinding a bit. Goodluck getting it fully fixed!

Several Good points there, but having been building Computers since the 1980's All of the Above is second nature, that and having been a Computer Engineer / Consultant since 1989, once more it is a case of Dot the i's and cross the T's .

But thanks for the effort / input in any case

Just a word of advice for the future as deleting things is on many support check lists. Either rename or copy the directories/files support wants you to delete. This gets them out of the way and allows recovery when it isn't the the problem (as is the case 99.44% of the time).

onto ESO tonight, going into toon for hireling, then straight back out again, Number 4 Crash to desktop.....

So £275 for memory was a waste of time and money!!!!

Just to make sure I am clear here,,,,,,

"Error 201 can occur for three reasons: There is a server issue preventing login. There are general connectivity issues between your machine and The Elder Scrolls Online service. When your game client is out of date."

When your game client is out of date - The launcher was downloaded with the last install a few days ago, and there was an update came in a couple of days ago, therefor its up to date (unless ESO is giving out old ones)

There are general connectivity issues between your machine and The Elder Scrolls Online service - This is a Possible, as long as the connection is a DIRECT PTP connection, otherwise the rest of the house items are all attached to the internet No problem, there for this is most likely not the problem!

There is a server issue preventing login - Fore ME this is the winner, as I had started the game, the game did connect to the server for the login screen, and the game TRIED to log in, therefor its akin to walking down the street to the store, Staff are inside at the door and the door is locked , shop is there they just will not open the door

Once more NOT MY COMPUTERS FAULT

Sarannah wrote: »

There seem to be two different issues at play here, your disconnects and your crashes.

Your disconnects: If the first login failed, for whatever reason, the server will think you are logged in and you will get a few different errors when trying to log in again during the next few minutes. So keep trying to log in is useless if the first login failed. This login probably failed due to an interrrupted network connection. Hate to say it, but this is most likely on your side. Otherwise everyone/many players would have issues logging in. The forum would be full of threads from players being unable to log in.

I would Normally wholeheartedly agree with you, lol, except, why did my Discord connection not drop? VOIP does not cache, and with the wife on the same call, i could hear her inside and outside the connection, with no significant lag. I also rebooted the computer Twice, and on both occasions it connected to the "internet" for the Microsoft login Verification, and picked up some mails coming in at the same time.

Yes I know that the TCP /UDP calls are separate and that you technically Could have port outages that left other ports ;available, meaning that I got what I got, but still meaning that there COULD have been a Network Outage My Side. . Additional argument,, is that the server has to accept the connection on a 201 error to get the input to then reject it.

Sarannah wrote: »

Doesn't matter what drive is installed in M2_2. It states the slot is unavailable if you use those types of CPU's, coming directly from the MSI website. No conditions like PCIe 4 or 5, just completely unavailable. There is no harm in trying this out. There is a chance this is your issue. If it is not, you will also know.

As I said, the CPU's I use are not in that class of Not Available, and the other reason I have no doubts about the M2_2 is that Prior to the update 44 the M2_1 was unpopulated, with everything running on the M2_2, it was then populated with a PCIe4 (Gen4) device and had no problems. After the update the crashes seemed to be more frequent, and the device was changed to the PCIe5 (Gen 5)


BUT....

Here is something that I have Just last Night noticed,,, when the game "crashes" or I am Kicked out to Desktop, the Memory lights go from the RAIN Effect to the Standard Solid Effect. This Could Point to another set of BAD Memory, though that would be unlucky in the millions to One.

This has Given Me a thought... what IF its not the Hardware? as the problems are the same with the old hardware and the New!

Aside from the ESO Upgrade(s) , there has also been a Corsair iCue update, as well as Windows / AMD Graphics and all of thew rest of the lets fix the bad programming updates, what are the chances that the iCue Monitoring Software has a Conflict with the Other updates ? or just ESO? It would affect the Memory, and the Lights, since the Memory is a Direct Channel to the CPU a Glitch in that would cause a "Pause" for error correction on the CPU which would in turn stutter the Direct Access Storage of the SSD's fixed in M2_1 and M2_2 , in turn cause a crash....

So with that in mind, I am going to try removing the iCue, which unfortunately will affect the Headphone's / Lights / Fan / Mouse / Keyboard functions and responses. But if that stops the Crashing, then the fault is now with iCue & ESO. decision being, dump ESO or replace the Headphone's / Lights / Fan / Mouse / Keyboard with ones not software controlled lmao, good luck with that one these days lol

But Still a work in progress, It may get postponed a few days , as I have a Funeral to sort out and attend .. priorities and all that

LMAO, After 10 years playing the game I have a lot of time invested. Yes over the years it has got buggier and slower, even although My computers have got more powerful and my internet has went from 50GBs to 1000Gbs, its horrific right now!

I Have now got a new motherboard coming from MSI as a Warranty, so that's the whole computer been replaced, and I am still having Problems, As a Networks Consultant I know its the network that is the problem, but as always you have to prove this!!! so this PAPER TRAIL of modifications / upgrades / Replacements is the proof that I have done everything possible and Nothing has worked.

ON the Motherboard there is a Debug LED that when running shows the CPU TEMP, When Loading a New Toon, or Coming into the Game Screen the Temp goes up to 78 Degrees Spikes to 88 Degrees then drops back down to 68 - 69 Degrees. That not even playing the game!

ON Once Human (a Great FREE MMO so far), the temps NEVER go above 67 Degrees , with Everything set to Maximum, and I have now got 40+ hours playing and NO CRASHES LOCKS OR STUTTERS.

Coming back into ESO with Everything set to MEDIUM with a couple of HIGHS, the computer is getting the hell knocked out of it, and the stutters crashes are everywhere.

I like the Game, hence playing it for 10 Years , but that's now 8 people i know left the game and are now playing others, which is a shame as the game is more about Social rather than gaming...
But we will see what the New Motherboard Does !!!

Wonder HOW this is all going to go down with the new Mediation for faults?????


But in all honesty I am very Sad that to get a GAME working, I am pretty much at this point going to have to find another game, I want to relax, not worry about crashing / LOCKING UP all the time, meaning that there is no enjoyment or relaxation....

I will keep you all informed of the progress or lack off ongoing

LOL The Only Advantage at being 80% Blind, Most of the time I run the whole game as 4K Medium, FSR Performance , top a blind guy a high definition BLOB and a low definition BLOB are the exact same thing!

The Graphics card is locked down to 60FPS, its a 60HZ Monitor, so it cannot display anything better, though Higher will not miss out on things in pvp as much... Simples, I do not do PVP, so no need again!

Checked ALL the LOGS, only things in there are when it locks UP, and I force a REBOOT, that's Logged , prior to that everything is normal....

I even went as far as to run HWI , and logged the whole day of use over a few days, dumped it into an SQL Database and then wrote a bunch of Queries to compare the data at known lockups. Just about NOTHING, JUST ABOUT meaning I did find a few Questionable's, They were All related to network Performance. Mostly After 19:00 GMT the Network slowed down Quite a bit. This was Kind of Cured by increasing

SET MaxNetworkWriteBuffer "23592960"
SET MaxNetworkReadBuffer "23592960"

Smoothed things out Quite a bit , especially in dungeons , down side is that when the server crashes, your still playing , Yourself, then either you get kicked, or the game goes into Turbo to catch everything up

The Temps on the LED are the CPU Package TEMPs, and when compared with the HWI data collection they are about 0.5 in variation, which is acceptable as it does not display 00.Anything.

I am Pretty Sure that the Loop is Good. 2 EKWB 360 Radiators each with 3 Corsair QX120 fans running at 1400rpm, a Lian Li Distribution plate with Pump running at 948rpm, CPU & GPU Water blocks are EKWB Velocity 2's , system has been running for about 5 hours now after being off for 3 (I gotta sleep some times), and the package temp is 37 Degrees Centigrade with an ambient room temp of 66 degrees Fahrenheit.
Plus Stress testing the CPU will take it up to 89 degrees , end the test and the loop will drop that temp back to 52 in under 20 seconds.

High CPU Package TEMP, Only means your knocking the hell out of the CPU making it work. the only worry would be if it went up there and stayed there , Also Remember the AMD 7000 Series CPU's run mostly at around 90 Degrees, they are mini Grills good for Barbecues if not playing games! The Wives AMD 5800X3D runs less than Half mines under the same load, (I will update this with the 9800X3D temps when it gets put in)

IN all fairness to the 7900xtx , I am New to Modern AMD GPU's , been on Nvidia since they came onto the market , but comparing it to the EVGA RTX2080 Super FTW3 Gaming Ultra or the EVGA RTX3080 FTW3 Gaming Ultra It does everything just as well, at less power , though you do notice the performance Hit a little bit with Ray Tracing, again Not a Problem for me as the frames are capped at 60 and Al cards have horse power to spare at that, Also LMAO "BLIND !!", I cannot tell the differences ray trace on or off on any of the cards lol

if Playing Before 19:00 GMT, when the network is quiet, I rarely have problems, a few slip in, But very few and far between only weekends. Looking around is a smooth as silk, you could swear you were on a 340Hz monitor!

its that smooth, when the wife wants to see "Real Graphics", she comes onto this computer and puts RED DEAD REDEMPTION on to ULTRA Everything, the 24Gb of video memory really comes into its own, and she will ride around until her hearts content... Or goes and shoots up Valentine, either Works! but both the Stand Alone version or the Online Version, NEVER CRASH OR STUTTER. and even for the Blind Guy on the 43" LG OLED Screen it looks Awesome!!

So I have been working on the computer (Actual Work), playing everything but ESO at night, on to get the Hireling Stuff and do the endeavours at 10:00 GMT and Not had one Problem with the system, in fact the Screen Load Temps never got Above 72 and even then only at toons 17,18,19. All previous Max temp was 68.

At Night its been Stalker, Once Human , Cyberpunk No problems at all, and the original hardware is back in the system.


I Also Agree with you about the DATA, on the main account there is 8 years of LOADS of data, and it has lots of problems, where as the OLD account at 10 years old with a lot less data has next to no problems, So once more I thing it IS a network Issue, which raising the cache although increasing the download amount, is taking pressure off of the network connection.

LOL but that's what I have been saying from the start, Its Support who are inferring it's MY Computer or MY connection, all of this is to PROVE it's NOT MY computer.

1. Reason 1. It would be Crashing / Locking up on Everything, not only ESO, and its NOT, Only ESO has the Problem!
2. Reason 2. When your on a Group Discord, and You get booted, then Everyone else reports that they Are getting booted, ALL round the World, Its Certainly NOT MY COMPUTER or CONNECTION, nor is it All of theirs having a fault at the exact same time, then All of the Guilds comment on the disconnection!
3. Reason 3. They then inform Me that they Now Know about a Fault , that will be patched later , Really Now Not My computer
4. Reason 4. A Global Patch is Issued to address Crashing on the Update,,,, Once more NOT MY COMPUTER or Connection

So Some of it has been admitted, and addressed, The rest is just being Ignored! Or at least to us the USERS ! I personally Do Not Like being treated like an idiot child, (at my age mostly by children) , and from a Professional Computer Engineer's Point of View, I ama generation that takes pride in what they do, Dot the i's and Cross the T's , but be willing to learn as things change....

From a Game Point of View, I am the Girl in the Cauldron, they are the 2 battle mages , they are responsible for the situation lol

But thanks for your thoughts and input

10 GBs Switch , connected to a 1GBs router out to the internet,

By Locking the computer I mean the Game Freezes and I cannot do anything but reboot the computer, Latest BIOS + clear CMOS had been done as well.

I am also Running an Azure Server , linked to a windows server network, No Problems on large File transfers , Ever lol

Also Remember this is the same on 2 separate motherboards, with a third on the way!

Multiple PC has been on all day, spiked at 68 on the way into ESO, now sitting happily at 50, No temp issues , just CPU getting hammered on login.

Get server hiccups all the time, except on the mac, they are fewer there.

Router has Been tested by the ISP, aND CAME BACK CLEAN , AS DID THE NETWORK CONNECTION, BUT WAS REPLACED IN ANY CASE, Helps that the neighbour is one of the engineers!

The Monitoring Software on the switch shows it at peak 55 degrees C, which is more than cool enough considering the room stays at 67 degrees all the time.

Tried the computer with a direct connection to the switch and the result was the same.

Whilst playing yesterday there were no stutters or anything else smooth as silk, until the event started, then there were quite a few occasions where the system stuttered , looked like it was about to crash and then recovered (I think the extra cash was the saviour there).

The More Player Dense / Graphics intense areas were where the problems were out in the wilds with nothing around after that the problems reduced. then at 03:00 trying again, there were no problems. that said the Pings as the event started went up 260+ from 110, then this morning early hours the pings were at 130 - 180 and no problems.

Matching the lockups / freezes / stutters / crashes to desktop, ALL of these occur with HIGH Pings 250 - 676, highest seen was 874.

Its ok to blame the hardware, but if the hardware has a fault, then the fault is visible All the time, the only time hardware gets Specific about faults is when SOFTWARE hits the hardware hard in a specific manner to cause the Crash.

example:- The whole system is Corsair iCue based, both for the flashing lights and the centralised monitoring of the hardware., this Does come with a CPU / Memory impact , but since there is 64GB of RAM and 24 Cpu Threads its Negligible. It comes with an MSI Addon, which cannot do anything but sit there, But add in the MSI Software and all of a sudden the board shows up in the icue screen, but all of the LED control now no longer works with corsair only MSI. overriding the default Corsair settings programmed into the devices.

So since its HARDWARE showing the fault, its a HARDWARE Problem???? NO its a Software conflict, showing as a Hardware problem, the FIX is simple, remove the conflicting element the MSI Software , but to retain functionality keep installed the MSI SDK, this allows the icue software to talk to the MSI hardware. But it will not work the other way around , using the Corsair SDK the MSI Software (programmers Arrogance) sees no need ot talk to any Third party drivers , only the MSI ones, so that fix fails


The ESO UPDATE 44 comes in,. the launcher gets an update, Windows Gets and Update , iCue gets an update AMD Has 2 Updates (chipset and Graphics) as does many OTHER THINGS , then the problems started to appear, most of them irrelevant, but put them all together and add in a Network Problem, I Got BIG Problems.

Roll Everything back , Windows 11H23 with NO Updates , Icue on board, NO MSI, Microsoft only drivers and you get a performance drop on most software, but an increased stability. You cannot Roll back ESO as ESO comes from a Server that will Update before you can even play. So any BUGS your going to get them no matter what you do, its their way or No way!

The ESO Problem is Still there! People writing MODS have to continually change them to update for the ESO software changes, so is their code bad or is ESO just making it difficult or they have errors or they have conflicts.... But check the compile versions of the ESO software, the majority of it is compiled as Windows VISTA, the most up to date is the launcher at Windows 10, Yet Zenimaxx have the Arrogance to say that a 5 month old MOD is OUT OF DATE!


Since starting this "Journey" , several Software companies HAVE ADMITED that their software has caused errors faults crashes as well as not allowed other applications to even Run.

Zeniumax - Multiple admissions to their software causing Crashes and Breakdowns, BIG PVP Update - Broken - crashes Computers Fixed By a Patch, Event Impresario does not work for the first 30 minutes (that's just sloppy) , multiple outstanding errors waiting to be fixed, but what will they break when they fix them????

Microsoft - The Most Arrogant of them All, Windows 10 IS DEAD, but pay us lots of money and you can keep using it supported, or just keep using it unsupported , or move to windows 11h24 which means you might need a new motherboard / memory / CPU because of the Trusted Platform, and once you have done all of that, please do not run games on it! because a lot of Games Simply Crash - Oh and yes, you might / maybe / possibly have Network issues .... But we will fix them , eventually, but its your hardware at fault not our software, if you used the exact MACHINES we tested on, your only going to get a couple of errors, But loading in ESO well that's a whole new dynamic , you put on software, it has made our OS unstable, please remove the software and await a patch!!!

Trouble is here, THEY ARE ONE IN THE SAME COMPANY nowadays

So LOTS of ERRORS, LOTS of CONNECTION Problems, LOTS of Crashes All over the world and all of different setups of the same machines , and even though its admitted that the software causes the errors , its still going to be "your computer, your setup, your Fault" , Its not changed since i have worked on Mainframes in the early 90's and it never will....

ONE COMPANY of exception, APPLE, since its all the same Hardware matched to Software Tested BY Apple, you actually get about 90% less faults at the Local User end, the 10% are most of the time Idiots! They are not perfect by any means, but they do listen respond and pout in the effort to fix things, properly!

the least Problems on ESO I have, heading to just about NONE, is on an apple MacBook Pro, which I would Use more except I am Blind and cannot see the screen. I would also Ditch Windows happily for My Use and go to an Apple Desktop, except it's ARM based , and as yet there's not a lot of Windows PC based stuff arm compliant or supporting... Including ESO

LOL, Sorry about the gripes, but I am in Pain, and I am tired