Aldoss wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Yaeg wrote: »

I really cannot possibly accept to even think about you beeing real about this and this not beeing a very early april fools prank.

The Sets you introduced will absolutely smash group pvp (40% more dmg through crit- debuff set). You just erased BGs completely. Now it is about smashing the other group in about 10 seconds and annihilate their will to fight. The last couple BGs I had after update 44 were over after 30 seconds. The enemies were smashed and gave up. They just proceeded to dance and spam emotes instead of fighting, because they knew they lost.

Why did you not combine some queues into a random queue like before? Why did you take out the 4v4v4 Queue? Why did you not introduce Custom-Game-Mode?

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Its just hard to accept, to see a game with the potential to be best PvP-Game there is, to just be destroyed by greed. I never saw a game like ESO in terms of PvP.
Other games usally have chain-CC, where you cant move for many seconds and can only counter it twice in 1 minute with skills/items with cooldowns.
Also most other games dont have clean animation cancels that eso allows to perform. Most games have autoattacks instead of weaving into skills. Or in other words: most other MMORPGs dont have any potential to have good PvP. <snip>

In the end I know I will have to accept this. Because even though you said you want to have feedback of players, you just wont listen to them. You wont listen to me either.

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I have been playing this game for over nine years and, if I had to pick an exact moment in time when I believe the game devs started to take the game in the absolute wrong direction it is when they introduced Dark Convergence and began breaking the rules in the game.

Since then we,ve had terrible entry after terrible entry into pvp that says to me the devs are taking the game in a direction that just isn't fun and balanced listed below. (representative but not complete list) why would you introduce a set that is broken on delivery because of lag and doesn't follow the rules? Worst decision ever.

ROA

Two second DOTS

Nb heal not impacted by battle spirit

Broken soul (oaken)

Sorc ward

The mentioned 40% crit resist set

Dark Convergence as above

New Battlegrounds

Removing dm queue

Plague break calculating off npcs

Yada yada...

Please feel free to add anything I've missed.

Hrothgar double dipped for that entire DC patch as well. It was hitting for 10k and couldn't be blocked.

I took a break that patch.

U35 was the worst patch delivery and caused my wife and I to cancel our subs and stop buying anything from ZOS until they made a course correction demonstrating their willingness to bring their combat back to balance. Nearly 10 patches since then and we haven't opened our wallets back up.

Scribing seems fun, but I'm good.

Soraka wrote: »

I vaguely remember a post awhile back from zos about time to kill and their aim for pvp, but I can't find it. That may have some info on what they wanted at the time. I don't remember it well, but I suspect it's not exactly matching where we are now. Does anyone remember?


Edit: this is all I can find, but I thought it was more recent (and I guess they did want fights to last longer/more survival and overshot?):

ZOS_Gilliam wrote: »

Greetings!

Today, the combat team would like to share what we’ve been working on since Update 30! While this update won’t have too many large-scale changes, there are a number of little things. We’d like to highlight a few of the more noteworthy changes in this post as well as talk about some behind the scenes work we’ve been doing.

Let’s start with something we’ve seen a lot of discussion on: Time to Kill (TTK) in Player versus Player environments. Compared to previous updates, the amount of damage is higher across the board than it was previously, but simultaneously, defensive power is lower too. This is mainly caused by two things: the balance standards that Champion Point 2.0 was held to in Update 29 where we introduced more choices between either offensive or defensive options, as well boosting up stats on fresh characters with the introduction of base Weapon and Spell Damage, and the base Maximum Resource adjustments from Update 30. Between these two, many builds are making more choices in improving their ability to deal or take damage while experiencing a sharper operational loss of the other. As many player builds lean towards dealing damage in PvP environments, this creates a situation where TTK lowers. While we’ve identified specifics, such as base stat adjustments, we wanted to stay focused on where the problem was felt, which was exclusively related to PvP. Our main adjustment in Update 31 will be to Battle Spirit and focusing on the damage taken portion, increasing it so the base character takes 60% less overall damage, rather than 50%. Aside from this and a few more specific, smaller adjustments, we’re still monitoring many of the moving parts (such as proc set scaling) and discussing measures we can take in future updates that won’t adversely affect parts of the game where problems aren’t as severe.

In relation to TTK and PvP in general, we’re also doing a substantial pass on player abilities, item sets, and passives in Update 31 in regard to how they operate with both Stealth and Invisibility. This pass focuses on trying to improve the rules on what abilities should and should not hit or remove Stealth or Invisibility on targets, as well as fixing some issues where Sneak attacks were stronger than intended in some areas. To clarify, Sneak attacks, or attacks made from the Hidden state while crouching, should only do the following:

• A guaranteed Critical Strike on one direct damage attack
• 275% bonus critical damage against monsters if it was a melee attack
• 40% bonus critical damage against monsters if it was a ranged attack
• Stun the target if it was a melee attack

In hopes to improve both the ability to utilize or distinctly deny and remove Stealth and Invisibility, we’re adjusting our rules to what player attacks should break these effects, or even attempt to try and hit them. Previously, this was handled purely on the ability level of these effects, like Shadow Cloak, leaving them very susceptible to breaking in a multitude of ways when complex and dynamic abilities were used against them. Now, we’re adjusting a significant amount of player-sourced attacks and effects to have rules applied to them, in addition to the rules built into abilities like Shadow Cloak, reaching a much more streamlined experience.

As far as ball groups go there have been some indications that zos didn't necessarily approve of the play style, but their efforts backfire:

Plaguebreak:
This set now has a cooldown of 20 seconds per target, rather than only against targets that do not already have the DoT on them.
Reduced the Damage over Time by approximately 48%, but this damage can now Critically Strike as it does not have ingrained modifiers built into it.
Increased the damage by explosion by approximately 3%.
The damage from this set now always applies the Diseased status effect.
Fixed an issue where this set was not proccing off some direct damage abilities.
Developer Comment:
Spoiler
This set is being run in far too many situations outside of its target audience. The set was made to punish groups that are stacking purges in tight groups, but due to the current nature of the set, it is punishing those who aren't using a cleanse either as the DoT is dealing sizable damage and has no downtime. With the cooldown window, we hope to introduce more counterplay to the set by giving a window of safety from becoming a carrier again for a time, while still retaining the pain for those who are purging (or dying) too close together.



This post is probably a mess, sorry, hard to do on my phone.

Four_Fingers wrote: »

Aldoss wrote: »

PvP is not designed around the concept of a ball group because there's never been a statement made by a combat dev saying as such. Anyone attempting to claim that as a fact in defense of current mechanics and ball group behaviors is gaslighting you and should be ignored.

They never said it was for just small scale or solo either.

Yaeg wrote: »

I really cannot possibly accept to even think about you beeing real about this and this not beeing a very early april fools prank.

The Sets you introduced will absolutely smash group pvp (40% more dmg through crit- debuff set). You just erased BGs completely. Now it is about smashing the other group in about 10 seconds and annihilate their will to fight. The last couple BGs I had after update 44 were over after 30 seconds. The enemies were smashed and gave up. They just proceeded to dance and spam emotes instead of fighting, because they knew they lost.

Why did you not combine some queues into a random queue like before? Why did you take out the 4v4v4 Queue? Why did you not introduce Custom-Game-Mode?

<snip>

Its just hard to accept, to see a game with the potential to be best PvP-Game there is, to just be destroyed by greed. I never saw a game like ESO in terms of PvP.
Other games usally have chain-CC, where you cant move for many seconds and can only counter it twice in 1 minute with skills/items with cooldowns.
Also most other games dont have clean animation cancels that eso allows to perform. Most games have autoattacks instead of weaving into skills. Or in other words: most other MMORPGs dont have any potential to have good PvP. <snip>

In the end I know I will have to accept this. Because even though you said you want to have feedback of players, you just wont listen to them. You wont listen to me either.

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