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Class comparison
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VinnyGambini✭✭✭
Fully agree, in 1v1 scenario, zaan is broken, not templar.
I posted it many times, zaan needs nerf.5 -
Syiccal✭✭✭✭✭
✭VinnyGambini wrote: »
Fully agree, in 1v1 scenario, zaan is broken, not templar.
I posted it many times, zaan needs nerf.
Sets and classes shouldn't balanced around 1v1 duals and to be fair I can't remember the last time I was killed by Zaan.2 -
LittlePinkDot✭✭✭✭✭VinnyGambini wrote: »
Fully agree, in 1v1 scenario, zaan is broken, not templar.
I posted it many times, zaan needs nerf.
I can't even get Zann to proc even once. It needs higher uptime. Needs a buff.1 -
StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭StaticWave wrote: »I just find it funny that my stamsorc with 35k resists and 4.4k crit resist is as tanky as a magsorc in 20k resist and 1.5k crit resist lol.
DoT DKs still broken, Acuity Warden still broken, NB still super annoying, jesus beam plar still annoying, javelin + meteor plar still broken, i could go on.
To be fair javelin,meteor combo shouldn't be killing you. It only kills ppl that don't know it's coming/already weakend or try to block it.
It’s an uncounterable comboPlatform:
PC NA
Main:
Static Wave - AD stamsorc3 -
CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭To be fair javelin,meteor combo shouldn't be killing you. It only kills ppl that don't know it's coming/already weakend or try to block it.
Lol what? This has to be trolling right? Please enlighten us on how to counter a combo that cannot be blocked or dodged.Edited by CameraBeardThePirate on 17 September 2024 19:420 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭VinnyGambini wrote: »
Fully agree, in 1v1 scenario, zaan is broken, not templar.
I posted it many times, zaan needs nerf.
Sets and classes shouldn't balanced around 1v1 duals and to be fair I can't remember the last time I was killed by Zaan.
Exactly it only matters 1v1. Where it's too strong.Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast0 -
StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »I just find it funny that my stamsorc with 35k resists and 4.4k crit resist is as tanky as a magsorc in 20k resist and 1.5k crit resist lol.
DoT DKs still broken, Acuity Warden still broken, NB still super annoying, jesus beam plar still annoying, javelin + meteor plar still broken, i could go on.
To be fair javelin,meteor combo shouldn't be killing you. It only kills ppl that don't know it's coming/already weakend or try to block it.
It’s an uncounterable combo
what if you stun a templar right before of his javelin? you always know when the ice comet will hit, so you can stay ahead of his comboEdited by Wilku1909 on 18 September 2024 18:410 -
StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »I just find it funny that my stamsorc with 35k resists and 4.4k crit resist is as tanky as a magsorc in 20k resist and 1.5k crit resist lol.
DoT DKs still broken, Acuity Warden still broken, NB still super annoying, jesus beam plar still annoying, javelin + meteor plar still broken, i could go on.
To be fair javelin,meteor combo shouldn't be killing you. It only kills ppl that don't know it's coming/already weakend or try to block it.
It’s an uncounterable combo
what if you stun a templar right before of his javelin? you always know when the ice comet will hit, so you can stay ahead of his combo
Then they can just bait the stun for 7s of cc immunity and we are back to square one.Platform:
PC NA
Main:
Static Wave - AD stamsorc2 -
StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »I just find it funny that my stamsorc with 35k resists and 4.4k crit resist is as tanky as a magsorc in 20k resist and 1.5k crit resist lol.
DoT DKs still broken, Acuity Warden still broken, NB still super annoying, jesus beam plar still annoying, javelin + meteor plar still broken, i could go on.
To be fair javelin,meteor combo shouldn't be killing you. It only kills ppl that don't know it's coming/already weakend or try to block it.
It’s an uncounterable combo
what if you stun a templar right before of his javelin? you always know when the ice comet will hit, so you can stay ahead of his combo
Then they can just bait the stun for 7s of cc immunity and we are back to square one.
Bait stun? All you have to do is stun templar when you see circle under you (just dont use stun before)which announces that ice comet gonna land. It is very visible. It may sounds difficult but in practice it is easy as f...
There are immo pots, but even then both of you can use them.
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xylena_lazarow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭In staged duels, it doesn't matter that Plar is lacking in immediate damage or mobility, and you won't need to worry about your entire kit being bricked by enemy LoS tactics, so they're pretty underrated for this scenario. You can even land jabs in duels where players actually stand in it and game performance is more cooperative. Against ranged Plars it's not the meteor that kills you, it's being desynced and stun locked by the jav for their followup beam finisher.
So really it's the stupid beam that's the issue with Plar as usual. Nerf the beam and spread its power across the rest of Plar's offensive kit, and a lot of problems are solved including the dueling cheese jav combos.PC/NA || CP/Cyro || RIP soft caps4 -
Skulptro✭✭✭dueling provides AP, Tel var? May be it provides more than a few achievements? Some dueling builds are unplayable in Open World, since you don't need speed buff, or evasion, or high sustain. Basically, you will get focused first in your squishy dueling build, go to respawn first.
So I don't understand, why dueling is even considered, when comparing classes?0 -
Iriidius✭✭✭✭
But the templar probably has immovable pots always available as he builds exactly for this combo while the other player does not. Even if he has immovable pots on quickslotwheel if he has tripots on quickslot he has to choose immovable slots first before using them which takes to long to do in time before meteor/javelin hits.StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »I just find it funny that my stamsorc with 35k resists and 4.4k crit resist is as tanky as a magsorc in 20k resist and 1.5k crit resist lol.
DoT DKs still broken, Acuity Warden still broken, NB still super annoying, jesus beam plar still annoying, javelin + meteor plar still broken, i could go on.
To be fair javelin,meteor combo shouldn't be killing you. It only kills ppl that don't know it's coming/already weakend or try to block it.
It’s an uncounterable combo
what if you stun a templar right before of his javelin? you always know when the ice comet will hit, so you can stay ahead of his combo
Then they can just bait the stun for 7s of cc immunity and we are back to square one.
Bait stun? All you have to do is stun templar when you see circle under you (just dont use stun before)which announces that ice comet gonna land. It is very visible. It may sounds difficult but in practice it is easy as f...
There are immo pots, but even then both of you can use them.
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But the templar probably has immovable pots always available as he builds exactly for this combo while the other player does not. Even if he has immovable pots on quickslotwheel if he has tripots on quickslot he has to choose immovable slots first before using them which takes to long to do in time before meteor/javelin hits.StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »I just find it funny that my stamsorc with 35k resists and 4.4k crit resist is as tanky as a magsorc in 20k resist and 1.5k crit resist lol.
DoT DKs still broken, Acuity Warden still broken, NB still super annoying, jesus beam plar still annoying, javelin + meteor plar still broken, i could go on.
To be fair javelin,meteor combo shouldn't be killing you. It only kills ppl that don't know it's coming/already weakend or try to block it.
It’s an uncounterable combo
what if you stun a templar right before of his javelin? you always know when the ice comet will hit, so you can stay ahead of his combo
Then they can just bait the stun for 7s of cc immunity and we are back to square one.
Bait stun? All you have to do is stun templar when you see circle under you (just dont use stun before)which announces that ice comet gonna land. It is very visible. It may sounds difficult but in practice it is easy as f...
There are immo pots, but even then both of you can use them.
I just gave arguments that for me you can counter this combo as I was fighting against players who were doing what I said. I don't buy your argument that templar propobly has immo pots and their enemies does not, sorry. I understand that often someone can be not prepared for this but still it not means that it is unconterable.
For me also this combo is much worse in bgs, cyro and ic because often I was targeting wrong player or his summons with javelin or ice comet and there is bigger possibility that someone will interupt your combo in bigger fights.
I found that I got more benefits using crescent sweep instead of ice comet (lower cost, instant dmg).
This is my point of view as a average templar0 -
Skulptro✭✭✭I made a poll about PvP templar. Please, find it there, vote. I hope, ZOS may be read that. All we can do.0
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L_Nici✭✭✭✭✭
✭I agree with the Templar Statement, as I too am struggeling to reach the same damage I can deal with my Stamsorc, or Nightblade even though the later is a full glass canon so maybe not the right comparison. Still I tried a few different setups on Templar and it just feels weak compared to my other Damage builds, it is also slower but can survive great.A very special girl
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Rhaegar75✭✭✭✭✭ESO is in a shambolic state at the moment. You just need to take a look at any random high MMR BG (whatever that means) and you will see a clear view of the current class comparison: a feast of cloaks and a constant bombardment of frags followed by shield spamming.Edited by Rhaegar75 on 18 October 2024 17:181 -
sbam66✭✭✭1. Sorc, NB & Dk
2. Warden, Arcanist
3. Templar & Necro.
This is it, all classes are pretty strong currently. All classes have high kill potential & can be tanky as well. Balance is as best as it’s been in years2 -
Rhaegar75✭✭✭✭✭1. Sorc, NB & Dk
2. Warden, Arcanist
3. Templar & Necro.
This is it, all classes are pretty strong currently. All classes have high kill potential & can be tanky as well. Balance is as best as it’s been in years
is this trolling? the game is not balanced at all.
Have you tried to fight a MagSorc who actually know how to play the game?Edited by Rhaegar75 on 19 October 2024 11:087 -
xylena_lazarow✭✭✭✭✭
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Huh? They put Sorc first and it's otherwise similar to most other tier lists.is this trolling? the game is not balanced at all. Have you tried to fight a MagSorc who actually know how to play the game?
Sorc/NB > Ward/DK > Plar/Arc > Cro
The two biggest class skill outliers, Hardened Ward and Cloak, are both being nerfed in u44.
Now if they could gut the gross Plar beam but buff the rest of its offensive kit, we'd be in business.PC/NA || CP/Cyro || RIP soft caps3 -
sbam66✭✭✭1. Sorc, NB & Dk
2. Warden, Arcanist
3. Templar & Necro.
This is it, all classes are pretty strong currently. All classes have high kill potential & can be tanky as well. Balance is as best as it’s been in years
is this trolling? the game is not balanced at all.
Have you tried to fight a MagSorc who actually know how to play the game?
Equally skilled Sorc vs NB, NB will win 5/10 maybe even 6 or 7 out of 10. If you don’t think so, you don’t know a good nb who can play 1v1 out of stealth0 -
Rhaegar75✭✭✭✭✭1. Sorc, NB & Dk
2. Warden, Arcanist
3. Templar & Necro.
This is it, all classes are pretty strong currently. All classes have high kill potential & can be tanky as well. Balance is as best as it’s been in years
is this trolling? the game is not balanced at all.
Have you tried to fight a MagSorc who actually know how to play the game?
Equally skilled Sorc vs NB, NB will win 5/10 maybe even 6 or 7 out of 10. If you don’t think so, you don’t know a good nb who can play 1v1 out of stealth
NBs? MagSorcs? same FOTMs material. Just take a look at the typical BG and you will see what numbers you have in there. Generally 6/8 between NBs and MagSorcsEdited by Rhaegar75 on 19 October 2024 20:224 -
TechMaybeHic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Haven't played for a couple weeks but I was frustrated as I just randomly jumped on my NB I hadn't played for months and had a way easier time than my plar I've mained since launch.
To be fair, I prefer stat builds so sorc and NB can do that. Might be better to run more procs on plar while maintaining all the HOTsEdited by TechMaybeHic on 19 October 2024 21:360 -
StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »I just find it funny that my stamsorc with 35k resists and 4.4k crit resist is as tanky as a magsorc in 20k resist and 1.5k crit resist lol.
DoT DKs still broken, Acuity Warden still broken, NB still super annoying, jesus beam plar still annoying, javelin + meteor plar still broken, i could go on.
To be fair javelin,meteor combo shouldn't be killing you. It only kills ppl that don't know it's coming/already weakend or try to block it.
It’s an uncounterable combo
what if you stun a templar right before of his javelin? you always know when the ice comet will hit, so you can stay ahead of his combo
Then they can just bait the stun for 7s of cc immunity and we are back to square one.
Bait stun? All you have to do is stun templar when you see circle under you (just dont use stun before)which announces that ice comet gonna land. It is very visible. It may sounds difficult but in practice it is easy as f...
There are immo pots, but even then both of you can use them.
So you're only stunning them when they're ulting you right?
Good PvPers stun off cooldown to put pressure on your stam sustain. That's why classes like DK use Fossilize every 7s. If you're only stunning them when they use Meteor Javelin, then you're not pressing their stam sustain, which means they have all of that stam to block and roll your attacks.
So now you have a problem that's difficult to solve. Not stunning them off cooldown means they have more stam to play defensive. Stunning them regularly means they can just use Meteor Javelin while under CC immunity. That is what I meant by baiting the stun.Platform:
PC NA
Main:
Static Wave - AD stamsorc0 -
StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »I just find it funny that my stamsorc with 35k resists and 4.4k crit resist is as tanky as a magsorc in 20k resist and 1.5k crit resist lol.
DoT DKs still broken, Acuity Warden still broken, NB still super annoying, jesus beam plar still annoying, javelin + meteor plar still broken, i could go on.
To be fair javelin,meteor combo shouldn't be killing you. It only kills ppl that don't know it's coming/already weakend or try to block it.
It’s an uncounterable combo
what if you stun a templar right before of his javelin? you always know when the ice comet will hit, so you can stay ahead of his combo
Then they can just bait the stun for 7s of cc immunity and we are back to square one.
Bait stun? All you have to do is stun templar when you see circle under you (just dont use stun before)which announces that ice comet gonna land. It is very visible. It may sounds difficult but in practice it is easy as f...
There are immo pots, but even then both of you can use them.
Btw, I haven't even gone into the fact that a good Templar can "hide" the Meteor by roll dodge canceling it. Roll canceling the Meteor throws people off guard because they don't expect a Templar to do that. After they exit roll dodge there is still a few hundred milliseconds of I-frame too, meaning they can still dodge most stuns (except for undodgable ones of course).
If you're able to reliably dodge that combo, then the Plar you're fighting isn't really using the combo correctly. A good Plar will never let you stun them while executing that combo.
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PC NA
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Static Wave - AD stamsorc1 -
xylena_lazarow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭All this Plar talk and Beam still doesn't get enough hate. It's an absolutely cracked skill that flies under the radar because most Plar players can't even get you down to 50% in the first place. But once you get there (usually thanks to some invisible ranged Tarnished goober somewhere else), counterplay is extremely limited. Max range, can't be dodged, drains stam unusually quickly against block, deletes you if you get stunned (or don't have sweatlord tier reaction time).
Cyro lately has been a rash of braindead Beam spammers who sit inside zergs at max range spamming it on full hp targets, waiting for someone else to do damage and stun so they can get free kills. Meteor Jav is only unfair because of the followup broken op Beam that deletes you from range while you're desynced by the Jav stun. Beam needs to be nerfed underground yesterday, with the rest of Plar's offensive kit buffed to restore its rightful place as a melee brawler.PC/NA || CP/Cyro || RIP soft caps5 -
The_Meathead✭✭✭✭xylena_lazarow wrote: »Beam needs to be nerfed underground yesterday, with the rest of Plar's offensive kit buffed to restore its rightful place as a melee brawler.
As a diehard Templar player for all of ESO's existence, I agree strongly with you...
... with the caveat we see the damage return to Jabs, Burning Light, and PotL first, because at this point, I have zero faith it wouldn't just be a massive Nerf to Beam with no real improvement elsewhere, leaving us completely defanged.
Especially not while some other classes are so massively strong in multiple aspects. I'm tired of being the only "balanced" class on a spreadsheet, other than very-deceased Necro. The fact Necromancer just got an overhaul and is still in such a sorry state is why I want to see improvements FIRST and then a nerf to Beam.
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SkaraMinoc✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »I just find it funny that my stamsorc with 35k resists and 4.4k crit resist is as tanky as a magsorc in 20k resist and 1.5k crit resist lol.
DoT DKs still broken, Acuity Warden still broken, NB still super annoying, jesus beam plar still annoying, javelin + meteor plar still broken, i could go on.
To be fair javelin,meteor combo shouldn't be killing you. It only kills ppl that don't know it's coming/already weakend or try to block it.
It’s an uncounterable combo
There's a build that is immune to this combo. Doesn't involve Unstoppable or Nibenay monster helm. Very niche tho.PC NA0 -
StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭SkaraMinoc wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »I just find it funny that my stamsorc with 35k resists and 4.4k crit resist is as tanky as a magsorc in 20k resist and 1.5k crit resist lol.
DoT DKs still broken, Acuity Warden still broken, NB still super annoying, jesus beam plar still annoying, javelin + meteor plar still broken, i could go on.
To be fair javelin,meteor combo shouldn't be killing you. It only kills ppl that don't know it's coming/already weakend or try to block it.
It’s an uncounterable combo
There's a build that is immune to this combo. Doesn't involve Unstoppable or Nibenay monster helm. Very niche tho.
Of course, any build can be countered by very specific builds. I'm only using standard builds for argument's sake.Platform:
PC NA
Main:
Static Wave - AD stamsorc1