What do you think about the Update 43 house tour feature?

Luthivar · July 7

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Furniture bag and furniture slots upgrade.

And yes, they refused the latter years ago, but I don't exactly get what I have to do with console problems. My laptop is like 5 or 6 years old with a RTX 2070M, I'm still pretty confident that it would manage a furniture slot increase. Make it optional, like graphics settings. This game is 10 years old and sadly it feels like that due to its self-limitation.

Ruj · July 9

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Soarora wrote: »

other parts of EHT like aligning items, linking toggleable things to switches, and building lines/arcs/etc.

When I read ZOS hired the EHT creator, I was hoping we could at least align all the structural furnishings with an easier UI.

EHT is amazing, but it is overwhelming for new users.

It's not as exciting as a bunch of homes being upgraded to 700 slots, weapon/armor displays, ESO+ furniture bag, etc. But this would have been a better QoL update than Home Tours.

We want to not feel frustrated with building in housing FIRST before we tackle showing off our homes.

What are we showing off exactly? Our frustrations with item limits?
Do you know how many homes I have toured where a creator says, "Sorry it's not decorated in more detail. I wish this house had 700 slots." OR it's yet another Moon Sugar Meadow.

anadandy · July 9

It is an interesting feature but I had hoped for something else.

Ruj wrote: »

We want to not feel frustrated with building in housing FIRST before we tackle showing off our homes.

For real. Leaving the whole furnishing limit aside, I would have been happy if they had fixed the editor so it didn't take me an hour to align a counter to it's corresponding corner counter.

Rishikesa108 · July 11

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tastyleaf wrote: »

I'll start with the positive: Having a way to publicly list a home in a catalogue is a great idea, and I've used add-ons for that! The tagging system is essential to be able to see different styles. I like seeing what other people come up with.

HOWEVER, I have a huge issue with the ability to 'upvote' homes, especially considering you can see who visits your house. If I visit a house, and don't upvote it, now that player knows and could troll/false report/block me just for that. Or worse, if it's someone with a social media following, they can get their followers to go after people (even if it's unintentional on their part, fans can be crazy).

For actual contests, if you had the ability for a guild to let people submit homes to a separate temporary list that might be okay. Still easy to abuse with social media/fans though. But in general I see the voting part being abused way too easily.

As it stands, as much as I love doing housing, unless they remove the 'upvoting' part, I am not willing to risk using it and being forced to upvote EVERY house I look at for fear of being mass false-reported. This was my favorite aspect of ESO, and now I feel like I can't share it anymore without risking my account.

Same for me. It is that obvious !!!! The upvoting system will ruin the housing feature in ESO.

DenverRalphy · July 11

anadandy wrote: »

Ruj wrote: »

We want to not feel frustrated with building in housing FIRST before we tackle showing off our homes.

For real. Leaving the whole furnishing limit aside, I would have been happy if they had fixed the editor so it didn't take me an hour to align a counter to it's corresponding corner counter.

Do you use Precision Edit? Aligning Counters and their Corners isn't much more than placing both, check that the yaw angles are the identical, then if needed rotate the yaw 90 degrees on one of them.

tsaescishoeshiner · July 11

This is something I've long been asking for. Having it ingame without an addon to depend on is AWESOME!

tastyleaf wrote: »

I'll start with the positive: Having a way to publicly list a home in a catalogue is a great idea, and I've used add-ons for that! The tagging system is essential to be able to see different styles. I like seeing what other people come up with.

HOWEVER, I have a huge issue with the ability to 'upvote' homes, especially considering you can see who visits your house. If I visit a house, and don't upvote it, now that player knows and could troll/false report/block me just for that. Or worse, if it's someone with a social media following, they can get their followers to go after people (even if it's unintentional on their part, fans can be crazy).

For actual contests, if you had the ability for a guild to let people submit homes to a separate temporary list that might be okay. Still easy to abuse with social media/fans though. But in general I see the voting part being abused way too easily.

As it stands, as much as I love doing housing, unless they remove the 'upvoting' part, I am not willing to risk using it and being forced to upvote EVERY house I look at for fear of being mass false-reported. This was my favorite aspect of ESO, and now I feel like I can't share it anymore without risking my account.

Hi @tastyleaf , this is all misinformation. The player has no way of knowing whether you Recommend (upvote) their house or not.

Also, even if they did try to report you, how would you get banned/punished if there's nothing you did wrong? It's not as easy as report -> ban, it triggers a person to review the report (theoretically an error is possible). Mass reporting is also against the ToS and something you can get consequences for.

I suggest people learn more about how a system works before being afraid of it.

Secondly, what you described is much more likely for the housing contests we already have, and yet plenty of people participate in those and they rarely seem to have scandals, extortion, or bribes. Just because a system technically allows someone to do something like bribe someone, doesn't mean they will at large when there are other social factors involved.

While there are fair critiques of Home Tours, and no one has to like it, there seems to be panics about a lot of "what if"s that are not based on how the system or the social side of the game works.

Edit: Removed a duplicate line.

MoonPile · July 11

This is an interesting feature but it is rather bare bone and needs some more meat to feel compleat!

Ruj wrote: »

Soarora wrote: »

other parts of EHT like aligning items, linking toggleable things to switches, and building lines/arcs/etc.

When I read ZOS hired the EHT creator, I was hoping we could at least align all the structural furnishings with an easier UI.

EHT is amazing, but it is overwhelming for new users.

It's not as exciting as a bunch of homes being upgraded to 700 slots, weapon/armor displays, ESO+ furniture bag, etc. But this would have been a better QoL update than Home Tours.
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Exactly this.

Pasting from a Feedback post I made about this:

Just wanted to add that I really admire the original project, EHT. A lot of us suspected that housing tours would be the new feature and are not disappointed that it's that, but wish it came with more utility and improvements on EHT's Housing Hub, rather than being an extremely "lite" version of it.

Honestly I did expect something more robust, or at least with related features like weather control. From the outside, it appears like there may have been hurdles that tied ZOS devs' hands, preventing launching something more feature-rich. My only hope is that it's partly a time and resources issue, and that they can keep working and expanding on this.

In the first part, I mean the UI design and matching game's aesthetics, chiefly. EHT does a lot of things really well and from an outsider's perspective it seemed like they could integrate what was already done, just with UI redesign to fit ESO's style guide + some fixes.

For example: a placeable book (explained here) is a fantastic solution for house descriptions, but it's currently an effect that doesn't match the game's style and shows through walls – stuff like that could be better implemented officially.

And:

Do you know how many homes I have toured where a creator says, "Sorry it's not decorated in more detail. I wish this house had 700 slots."

Yeah, or "please visit when it's sunny to see how it's mean to look, OR else the lighting is completely broken!" and more. Too bad not to get weather control, but with this feature we can't even tell visitors ANYTHING since there's no description field.

As others said, it was touted as this BIG update, a whole quarter about housing, which set expectations high. But now I feel so lukewarm about the rest of the year, I've been playing less too.

thecatsme0w · July 15

It is an interesting feature but I had hoped for something else.

I am super underwhelmed. I was hoping for something actually useful vs something that an addon does just fine.

*le sigh*

ElderOfTamriel · July 15

So what actually is this? First time im hearing of this

Vulsahdaal · July 23

ElderOfTamriel wrote: »

So what actually is this? First time im hearing of this

I havent seen it yet (havent got around putting the PTS on my new computer yet), but my guess is its something like the housing hub, but without the furniture tracker?

tastyleaf · July 23

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Hi @tsaescishoeshiner , what I wrote was based entirely on the initial livestream, which did not state the system was going to be anonymous, and also did not initially mention the voting limitations in their entirety as far as I can recall. If those had been said then, I would not have been so worried about this system, but unfortunately when I wrote that, there was no way to know it based on that initial livestream.

I am aware it's not straightforward as report = ban, but I have known people in other MMOs who had gotten banned unfairly due to mass false reporting, so I suppose part of me is still wary of that happening in ESO. Perhaps considerably less likely that other games, but with an anonymous voting and visiting system that worry is irrelevant (which, at the time of my first post, I was unaware of).

It is fair to say I was panicking a bit, but it was not intended to be misinformation, there just wasn't enough official information at the time of my posting.

Now that we know it's anonymous, and votes are limited, I don't have the same concerns I did initially. I only wish they had clarified with that initial livestream the anonymity part, because then I would have been a lot less worried.

tsaescishoeshiner · July 24

This is something I've long been asking for. Having it ingame without an addon to depend on is AWESOME!

tastyleaf wrote: »

Hi @tsaescishoeshiner , what I wrote was based entirely on the initial livestream, which did not state the system was going to be anonymous, and also did not initially mention the voting limitations in their entirety as far as I can recall. If those had been said then, I would not have been so worried about this system, but unfortunately when I wrote that, there was no way to know it based on that initial livestream.

I am aware it's not straightforward as report = ban, but I have known people in other MMOs who had gotten banned unfairly due to mass false reporting, so I suppose part of me is still wary of that happening in ESO. Perhaps considerably less likely that other games, but with an anonymous voting and visiting system that worry is irrelevant (which, at the time of my first post, I was unaware of).

It is fair to say I was panicking a bit, but it was not intended to be misinformation, there just wasn't enough official information at the time of my posting.

Now that we know it's anonymous, and votes are limited, I don't have the same concerns I did initially. I only wish they had clarified with that initial livestream the anonymity part, because then I would have been a lot less worried.

That's why we need to be careful before jumping to conclusions. It happens a lot with big changes. Maybe they could have addressed player concerns a bit more in the stream, but any big change can allow people to imagine the worst.

I also thought there could be some issues with the voting, but I forget what they are by now lol. It's hard to tell on PTS because the population is way smaller than live--so far, I've seen really cool houses on there and ones that I consider more average (again, there are very few people voting it seems).

LikiLoki · August 5

It is an interesting feature but I had hoped for something else.

I'm tired of waiting for them to add anything.There were many valuable requests from the players. After the announcement of a new opportunity for a tour of households, I was disappointed. And at the same time, I think it's better than nothing.

VDoom1 · August 5

It is an interesting feature but I had hoped for something else.

I think it could be a lot of fun to check out other people's houses. See how they have approached things, maybe I can get some inspiration.

But this feels underwhelming. Besides there's already an addon for this.......

If they were looking for things to improve the housing system, they could have done something else and could have done better.

One of the main issues with housing is the limitations. Every month we get new furniture which is great! Variety is awesome. But with the limit of 700, it is simply impossible to properly furnish a property.

Just look at Grand Psijic Villa, a huge property and 700 is definitely not enough to fill it.

Tommy_The_Gun · August 5

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Definitely not for me, since I pretty much only play solo. I just hope there will be a way to opt-out of this. I just don't want to have random people running over my property...

The feature I would like to see is something like... this: If companions were made to kinda replace other players & aid solo players in exploration, then I would like to have a feature that would basically "trade" the amount of players that can visit a house for furnishing slots. Since the argument for low furnishing slot was always "performance" (house instance needs to run well cuz you can have mamy other players there on top of having a lot of furnishings), then if let's say we would be able to configure each house & set max player limit, so it would be an instance with a player limit of like 2 or 1 (solo instance) then in theory it should allow to have way greater furnishing slot limit.

DenverRalphy · August 5

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Definitely not for me, since I pretty much only play solo. I just hope there will be a way to opt-out of this. I just don't want to have random people running over my property...

You won't have to opt-out, as since you have to list your homes yourself it's an opt-in system.

SeaWoodStage · September 17

Sorry this is late, but this is the only forum thread I came across specifically to do with Home Tours.

Personally, I'm loving it. Certainly not what I was expecting, and not what I would've hoped for either.

I was hoping for an account-wide furniture 'storage bag';

Or failing that an account-wide 'furniture station' that gave you the ability to decon furniture to get some mats back, view all furniture crafting plans at once (including a filter to see ones you haven't learnt yet but are obtainable), and craft furniture from plans you know in any discipline all in one place.

Third choice would've been having all furnishing plans made account-wide (a bit annoying to have to log back in on your crafter to make a specific piece).

All that being said, I'm loving Home Tours. I've been in one housing guild for years, which has shown me that the housing community is one of the nicest, friendliest, most supportive and least judgmental communities in ESO. I'm a good furnisher but not great, and it's my favourite part of the game. But now I'm getting to see a whole bunch of houses from outside of the guild too, and WOW. Now I get to see even more houses that blow my mind with how creative, clever, and beautiful they are. Home Tours was a really good idea

Only thing I would say, Devs, is what is up with the tags? Having tags is a great idea, but there's no tag for 'Guildhall', or even 'Crafting' or 'Utilities'. And yet there are ones for 'Market', 'Town' and 'Stronghold'. All of which are totally valid, but how many people specifically build Towns, Markets, and Strongholds, compared to how many people build guildhalls or crafting halls? Also 'Town' and 'Market' are arguably rather similar. Having no 'Crafting' tag at least seems a bit of an odd decision.

So, loving Home Tours overall, but imo tags need a-tweaking

nihonseanb14_ESO · September 17

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Another example of Zeni getting tons of feedback on what their players/customers want, and then giving something none of them were asking for.

This isn't a case of trying to give the largest group something, know you'll disappoint others. This is a case of giving no one what they were asking for and disappointing them all.

SeaWoodStage · September 17

Just to be clear, Home Tours isn't what I really wanted, but is still a really enjoyable update. I've had a lot of fun looking at others' houses. It's a really worthwhile update. (Please look at the tags though Devs. How is there not a "crafting" or "Guildhall" one, wake up mates).

ElderOfTamriel · September 18

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Definitely not for me, since I pretty much only play solo. I just hope there will be a way to opt-out of this. I just don't want to have random people running over my property...

The feature I would like to see is something like... this: If companions were made to kinda replace other players & aid solo players in exploration, then I would like to have a feature that would basically "trade" the amount of players that can visit a house for furnishing slots. Since the argument for low furnishing slot was always "performance" (house instance needs to run well cuz you can have mamy other players there on top of having a lot of furnishings), then if let's say we would be able to configure each house & set max player limit, so it would be an instance with a player limit of like 2 or 1 (solo instance) then in theory it should allow to have way greater furnishing slot limit.

This is pretty weird. If you dont want any other players in your house, just dont open it? But if youre a housing enthusiast why would you not want other players to be able to marvel youre creations? And what does this have to do with companions? Im confused

ThelerisTelvanni · September 23

It is an interesting feature but I had hoped for something else.

Well I did a poll in February what might be things the community is interested in, sadly that stuff was also not considered. At least not yet. But the biggest take away was that most simply need more slots.

The mentioned poll: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/653397/what-do-you-think-might-have-the-biggest-impact-on-decoraiting-and-using-your-house/p1

kaisernick · September 24

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i had not gotten my hopes up as i felt it could very well be something dissapointing, but this feels like its half done, espically compared to how EHT does it better and by miles.

ArchMikem · September 25

This is an interesting feature but it is rather bare bone and needs some more meat to feel compleat!

I think it's a rather nifty feature to help both show more people you're creations as well as just spending an hour "going on a tour" of so many other player's Homes, which I did tonight. Woof was my own Creativity blown out of the water by some of the places I've seen. One player turned Moon-Sugar Meadow into an enchanted Forest Tree House, and I was so blown away by the detailing I had to send em a Mail praising their work and that it more than earned a Recommendation. The return Mail claimed I had just made their night with my words. Felt nice.

I definitely think it could use a couple more things, such as indicators for how many times a House has been Recommended, as well as a way to sort listings based on date added. It's only been a short time since the update's been live and there's already a MASSIVE amount of listings that I fear people nearer the bottom of the list might never get visitors.

I then ended my night in someone's Tavern in Wayrest.

Thanks for the drink mtngoddess92!