What do you think about the Update 43 house tour feature?

ThelerisTelvanni · July 3

What do you think about the Update 43 house tour feature?

At first I was like: "wait what?! This is the new feature???". I mean I personally had a survey that asked the forum what everyone needs for housing the most. The house tour feature was not on that list and to me it came totally unexpected. I honestly think that there are other features that if added might have done more for me personally right now.

But thinking about it I was like: What if they add an "organize contest" function to that later on? Where you can see who is organizing the contest, what is the theme, who is judging, and every house that enters.

Also this might bring some life to some dusty homes and make them more interacted with. If this is a first step to give the houses more utility by first making it easier to enter and later on give it more function, that might be a big win.

I do not know if I missed it but I personally saw no cultural tags for Imperial, Aylied, Dunmer and so on.

Also having description texts in the browser might be lovely.

So what do you think about the feature?

WolfCombatPet · July 3

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I will use the feature, but it felt like a minor feature. Not mystery-hype for months feature.
I'm in desperate need for something else.

I made a post of my own before seeing this, but here is a list of things I have heard the community ask for:

1) Housing item limit increase. Any outdoor-area home should have at least 700 slots. Why is Antiquarian only 600 slots???

2) The option to remove pre-existing buildings. This would ease the burden of spending slots to cover up the existing buildings.

3) Display weapons on weapon racks (katana display style or attaching an individual bow to a wall mount, for example). Display armor on mannequins.

4) ESO+ furniture bag. Even if there is a limit on inventory.

5) Decon non-crown craftable furniture back to its original mats. This would also help storage issues.

Bonus: Gardening. It was a feature that was announced at one point.
Making the pots/vases and flowers their own section for item limit means an increase in item limit slots. And an alternative way to farm Columbine.

Soarora · July 3

It is an interesting feature but I had hoped for something else.

I like that I won’t be relying on HousingHub as much, as the addon gets finicky. That said, I know this update probably took a lot of work from the developers but it just does not fill the shoes of a major housing update. It feels more like a minor update. Other aspects of HousingHub like finding your furnishings across houses as well as settings like some of the EHT FX, maybe blank books/signs/etc, along with the HousingHub 2.0 addition would've made it a real update for me. Maybe even also other parts of EHT like aligning items, linking toggleable things to switches, and building lines/arcs/etc.

LunaFlora · July 3

i like the Home Tours.
it is nice when addon features become base game.
though i dont know if i like the rating part of it.
[edited to add:
rewatching the stream and it's just an option to Favourite homes which is fine.
i didn't watch the entire stream yet so thought it was another kind of rating. ]

and love the 2 new homes.

the expectations people had were to really realistic though.
like we already got told recently that we aren't getting an increase in furnishing limits

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/658726/follow-up-q-a-from-eso-10-year-celebration-event-community-roundtable/p1

Q: Will we ever get proper guild halls in ESO?
A: We love the idea of guild halls in ESO and recognize that our community has asked for them since the game launched. We have had many internal conversations about them over the years. The current challenge is the necessary caps. Much like the item limit caps in player housing, there is also a limit to how many characters can simultaneously be in a player home (it’s 25). As with items, these caps are in place to ensure that players on lower spec machines don’t encounter significant performance issues while in player homes.

WolfCombatPet · July 3

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Soarora wrote: »

aligning items, linking toggleable things to switches, and building lines/arcs/etc.

This would have been really nice. Especially because EHT is overwhelming at first.

Simplifying it would have been a great feature.

Also, aligning items in EHT doesn't always work. Sometimes we need to tweak things anyway. Having the base game provide proper alignment for Structure type furnishings would be awesome.

RomanRex · July 3

Poll is too wordy to be meaningful.

seecodenotgames · July 3

This is something I've long been asking for. Having it ingame without an addon to depend on is AWESOME!

I am always relisting my houses on EHT and PTF, so having an in game option that all players can access is great. The only thing that is doesn't have in custom description, aside from the nickname, something very useful for housing tours, particularly contests.

MoonPile · July 3

This is an interesting feature but it is rather bare bone and needs some more meat to feel compleat!

Missing:

Longer titles, separate from nickname (or a different UI feature for travel organization)
Descriptions - most important
POI markers
Weather control

Wrote a more detailed post on the above before seeing this poll:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/661795/

I'm also wary about the rating system. Toxic popularity contests all over social media are bad enough already.

MoonPile · July 3

This is an interesting feature but it is rather bare bone and needs some more meat to feel compleat!

LunaFlora wrote: »

...
like we already got told recently that we aren't getting an increase in furnishing limits
...

One thing I don't understand is why we can't do things like swap Collectible slots for Traditional, or add slots to smaller homes.

For the latter could say that "rendering too many things in a small space" is the issue and I get that. But what ends up happening is people buy 700-slot Notables and then cut the space way down to actually made a detailed build, so you're getting all 700+ objects in a much smaller area anyway.

Jaimeh · July 3

It is an interesting feature but I had hoped for something else.

I personally don't use the EHT community feature so it doesn't change a lot for me if they add it to the game, but I know a lot of housing enthusiasts who use it and it will also be cool for console players to have that functionality as well, so I'll probably test it on the PTS. Having said that, I do think the anticipation they built up for a new housing feature leading to the Live was disproportionate, firstly because there are so many other things that we have been asking for a long time, and secondly because they are basically just being carried by an addon developer and assimilating their addon to the game (I know they work for ZOS, but it still feels lazy that the sole thing the team came up with was a pre-existing function). As for the things they could have developed instead:

-More special collectible slots (not traditional furnishings, but slots for guests, pets, and assistants), even just 5 more would make houses feel more alive
-Mannequins for storing saved and previewing outfits
-The ability to place alt toons as posed guests in houses
-Different bodies of water as furnishings
-The ability to control the weather, much like we control the time of day

LunaFlora · July 3

MoonPile wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

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like we already got told recently that we aren't getting an increase in furnishing limits
...

One thing I don't understand is why we can't do things like swap Collectible slots for Traditional, or add slots to smaller homes.

For the latter could say that "rendering too many things in a small space" is the issue and I get that. But what ends up happening is people buy 700-slot Notables and then cut the space way down to actually made a detailed build, so you're getting all 700+ objects in a much smaller area anyway.

I'd love if we could lower one limit to increase another for individual homes, is that what you're also referring to?
like make collectible furnishing limit 50 instead of 110 to increase traditional limit a little bit?
Of course no clue if that's possible as an alternative to increasing everything.

700 slots for each home regardless of size would indeed be nice, if possible, though that would likely make smaller homes more expensive too

anadandy · July 3

It is an interesting feature but I had hoped for something else.

After waiting seven years for a big housing update, I am...whelmed.

Soarora · July 3

It is an interesting feature but I had hoped for something else.

Soarora wrote: »

I like that I won’t be relying on HousingHub as much, as the addon gets finicky. That said, I know this update probably took a lot of work from the developers but it just does not fill the shoes of a major housing update. It feels more like a minor update. Other aspects of HousingHub like finding your furnishings across houses as well as settings like some of the EHT FX, maybe blank books/signs/etc, along with the HousingHub 2.0 addition would've made it a real update for me. Maybe even also other parts of EHT like aligning items, linking toggleable things to switches, and building lines/arcs/etc.

I want to add onto this and say that's part of why this doesn't feel like an update... it's not anything new for PC users we HAVE HousingHub. But additionally, now I'm concerned HousingHub won't be supported anymore. All of those story descriptions and guestbooks and the ability to search for furnishings in other houses... all could go away just because there's no point in updating an addon when the game does the same thing but slightly worse.

MoonPile · July 3

This is an interesting feature but it is rather bare bone and needs some more meat to feel compleat!

LunaFlora wrote: »

MoonPile wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

...
like we already got told recently that we aren't getting an increase in furnishing limits
...

One thing I don't understand is why we can't do things like swap Collectible slots for Traditional, or add slots to smaller homes.

For the latter could say that "rendering too many things in a small space" is the issue and I get that. But what ends up happening is people buy 700-slot Notables and then cut the space way down to actually made a detailed build, so you're getting all 700+ objects in a much smaller area anyway.

I'd love if we could lower one limit to increase another for individual homes, is that what you're also referring to?
like make collectible furnishing limit 50 instead of 110 to increase traditional limit a little bit?
Of course no clue if that's possible as an alternative to increasing everything.

700 slots for each home regardless of size would indeed be nice, if possible, though that would likely make smaller homes more expensive too

Yeah exactly. So often I just want *a few* more slots. In Serenity Falls I have like 100 collectible slots left and zero traditional; I wish I could swap even 10 of the former.

I'd be happy to pay to upgrade... though I'd vastly prefer to pay gold, I know in reality, if it ever happened at all it'd be for crowns

Araneae6537 · July 3

Simple poll choices are better!

This is a feature that I wanted to see added, not my first choice, but something that I think many wanted and will be happy to have in the game. As to whether it is “bare bones,” I can’t judge that until seeing its implementation. From what I’ve seen, I can’t think of what the feature itself would need to feel “complete.”

Necrotech_Master · July 3

i dont know enough about the new system to decide, as i wasnt able to see the live stream, and havent had time to watch the VOD

the only thing i can gather is a sort of ratings system/public listing of houses from the bits and pieces ive seen posted

spartaxoxo · July 3

This is something I've long been asking for. Having it ingame without an addon to depend on is AWESOME!

This is something long requested by the console community.

Araneae6537 · July 3

MoonPile wrote: »

Missing:
Longer titles, separate from nickname (or a different UI feature for travel organization)

Descriptions - most important

POI markers

Weather control

Wrote a more detailed post on the above before seeing this poll:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/661795/

I'm also wary about the rating system. Toxic popularity contests all over social media are bad enough already.

Those are good points! Descriptions should be essential and I’d love to have weather control and adding custom POI are something I’d not thought of.

As for the rating, it’s only recommend or not, not leave bad ratings or anything. At worst we can just ignore recommendations / features and search out houses to visit. That is my hope anyway.

Omegacron · July 4

It is an interesting feature but I had hoped for something else.

What do I think of the Home Tours feature? You know that feeling when you buy a huge bag of chips, get it home, settle onto the couch, get your favorite TV show going, and then open the bag... only to find it's a quarter full and the rest was air?

Yep - that pretty much sums up how I feel about the Home Tours feature.

Soarora · July 4

It is an interesting feature but I had hoped for something else.

Omegacron wrote: »

What do I think of the Home Tours feature? You know that feeling when you buy a huge bag of chips, get it home, settle onto the couch, get your favorite TV show going, and then open the bag... only to find it's a quarter full and the rest was air?

Yep - that pretty much sums up how I feel about the Home Tours feature.

Perfect analogy!

WolfCombatPet · July 4

Sorry this feature is not for me and I am in desperate need for something else! (Write a comment!)

They should have never hyped up something as so exciting that they couldn't even tell us what it was for months.

The big new thing an entire update revolves around.

And it's simply a worse version of an existing feature from an addon

Home Tours should have been added as a footnote to a random patch. It should have been disclosed that it was housing feature only for console players. Definitely NOT hyped up as the main update new housing feature.

Meanwhile, we receive no feedback or updates as to why the popular housing ideas are not even being discussed by ZOS.

I am assuming that the forums have moderators, but that there is no job within ZOS that has someone reading the forums and relaying feedback to the devs.

If that job does exist within the company, they clearly should be fired. Anyone could have glanced at the housing forums and given the devs the correct feedback so this PR fiasco could have been avoided.

hiyde · July 4

WolfCombatPet wrote: »

I am assuming that the forums have moderators, but that there is no job within ZOS that has someone reading the forums and relaying feedback to the devs.

If that job does exist within the company, they clearly should be fired. Anyone could have glanced at the housing forums and given the devs the correct feedback so this PR fiasco could have been avoided.

Welcome to the forums, @WolfCombatPet.

@ZOS_Kevin does exactly the job you outlined and yes, the feedback gets passed along.

I get being disappointed/upset (and it's good to give that feedback) but calling for the firing of the forum moderator (especially one who's widely respected for the integrity and dedication he brings to it) is a bit much...

WolfCombatPet · July 4

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hiyde wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin does exactly the job you outlined and yes, the feedback gets passed along.

I'm new to the forums so I don't know of ZOS's track record with PTS feedback and if players usually feel like their feedback is being heard.

tastyleaf · July 6

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I'll start with the positive: Having a way to publicly list a home in a catalogue is a great idea, and I've used add-ons for that! The tagging system is essential to be able to see different styles. I like seeing what other people come up with.

HOWEVER, I have a huge issue with the ability to 'upvote' homes, especially considering you can see who visits your house. If I visit a house, and don't upvote it, now that player knows and could troll/false report/block me just for that. Or worse, if it's someone with a social media following, they can get their followers to go after people (even if it's unintentional on their part, fans can be crazy).

For actual contests, if you had the ability for a guild to let people submit homes to a separate temporary list that might be okay. Still easy to abuse with social media/fans though. But in general I see the voting part being abused way too easily.

As it stands, as much as I love doing housing, unless they remove the 'upvoting' part, I am not willing to risk using it and being forced to upvote EVERY house I look at for fear of being mass false-reported. This was my favorite aspect of ESO, and now I feel like I can't share it anymore without risking my account.

Jimbru · July 6

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The housing tour feature is basically a ripoff of a function we already had through the EHT addon. Like Tales of Tribute and Scribing, it is a feature that relatively few if any people asked for. Meanwhile the real issues with housing, about which players have given years of feedback, remain deliberately ignored. Once again, the devs are stuck in their own heads thinking they alone know what's best, and ignoring the role of players as paying stakeholders in the game. The ONLY way I MIGHT use this feature is if it is fully selective in both house and audience, so I can enable my guildmates to freely visit my finished houses. Otherwise, it will remain unused.

Thysbe · July 6

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I think some are beating the wrong guys here - feature decisions are most likely not made by devs, but by Marketing and Sales aka the business people, who are responsible for the roadmap and product development.

housing tours is a "feature" for people, who are not into housing yet, to get them into wanting one of those fancy shiny houses for themselves e.g. walking with a big cart into crown store

RaddlemanNumber7 · July 6

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Weather control would be useful. Additional birdsong would also be nice.

Tommy_The_Gun · July 6

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I just do hope that I will be able to opt out of it since I pretty much only play solo and my houses in game are just for me. I just hope we won't have any weird permission bugs and I won't suddenly see people running around my property...

LunaFlora · July 6

Jimbru wrote: »

The housing tour feature is basically a ripoff of a function we already had through the EHT addon. Like Tales of Tribute and Scribing, it is a feature that relatively few if any people asked for. Meanwhile the real issues with housing, about which players have given years of feedback, remain deliberately ignored. Once again, the devs are stuck in their own heads thinking they alone know what's best, and ignoring the role of players as paying stakeholders in the game. The ONLY way I MIGHT use this feature is if it is fully selective in both house and audience, so I can enable my guildmates to freely visit my finished houses. Otherwise, it will remain unused.

it is a little funny that you're calling this a ripoff despite it being partially developed by Cardinal05 (Jim Sammartino) who is one of the EHT devs.

and of course whilst you have it via the addon now not everyone plays eso on pc.

IgnisDrakkon · July 6

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The housing update was incredibly disappointing. I am saying this as someone who is big into the housing part of ESO. As someone who supports ZOS by buying all the fully furnished versions of the houses on the crown store, and owns literally all the houses in the game, from all the smallest apartments to the largest ones, and has bought so much of the furnishing items in the store, I think I can speak about this update as much as any other eso housing enthusiast out there or even more so than them.

And to sum it up: no one really wanted house tours. There have been forum threads about housing for years, and it's always been about quality of life stuff like ability to deconstruct/reconstruct furniture, resource farming plots, weapon and armor displays, increasing furnishing slots (which has some technical limitations we are told), furniture storage bag, etc.

House tours was never really on the wishlist of the enthusiasts on those threads. There will come a point where even the enthusiasts are going to get tired of waiting for the most wanted updates. This is the way ZOS will lose customers who are willing to pay lots of money for housing in the game, especially if a new mmo comes out that offers a superior housing experience. ZOS needs to listen and pay more attention to its hardcore housing fanbase.

PrincessOfThieves · July 6

It is an interesting feature but I had hoped for something else.

I have nothing against this feature in theory, but it's also quite underwhelming as the main update feature. Especially if they don't fix that addon issue that allows people to copypaste builds. I know I won't be posting my houses if that is the case.
I feel like this update is full of missing opportunities, there are so many things the housing community requested for YEARS, and yet this is what we get. For example, even if someone's playing ESO on super old consoles/pcs, it's not a good reason to not increase housing limits. It would be also nice to have something akin to the crafting bag, but for furnishings. Or the ability to remove the default structures. Etc etc.
Honestly, I am super disappointed. I was looking forward to this update, and after watching the reveal, I don't even feel like logging it atm.

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