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Tell me your Thoughts on Faction LOCK
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Kamchuk✭✭✭I prefer Faction lock. I’m one of those few players that play for the score. I have all the rewards, all the money and all the XP I need or want. I play for the “W”. To me faction lock promotes Alliance Warfare with everything war gaming provides such as strategy, resource prioritization, and target prioritization, all to maximize field advantage and War gaming results.
It also eliminates players jumping to another faction in the middle of a contest/campaign. To me, players doing that is similar to Soccer/Football players on the losing team just changing sides in the middle of the game to the winning team.
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✭✭Major_Toughness wrote: »Faction lock sucks.
In the past few months I've made friends with several players on DC and done some small scale / group content with 3 different sets of friends. As well as some long-standing friends.
Now one set has gone to EP, one to AD, and one stayed on DC.
I understand why because DC on PC EU GH was dominating and had a dozen organised groups, sometimes 2 of my sets of friends would be on at the same time, and it sucked for finding fights.
I stuck with the DC set because even though the least active they are longer standing friends, more than a few months, and want to play with them when I can.
EP group play most days and I would love to jump on with them some times but I can't because of Faction Lock. Which also sucks because EP isn't even locking pop on GH. They all play BR.
They need to change Faction Lock to like a 24 hour cool down or something. 12 hours idk. Like I get not wanting people to just shift around depending where the tide goes but on a monthly basis really really sucks.
I'd like to see a cooldown or something similar at least tested:
Basically whenever you leave cyro, it asks if you wish to remain on that faction when you next enter cyro.
- If you select yes, there's no cooldown and you enter the campaign next time as normal
- If you select no, it gives you a lockout from cyro for a duration, but then after that you can log into cyro on any faction.
TL//DR, you can organize with friends to play the next day, or organize ahead of time if they are on regularly.
TBH, there should be some sort of cooldown period for switching factions since there was a lot of trolling happening on GH before the lock, and a lot of just rotating the map colour, but being locked for the entire 30 day campaign is just far too long.1 -
Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭Faction Lock is a very subjective thing. Some will hate it and others will love it. Of course, there are valid reasons mentioned by others for not having it (play with friends, fill up faction that is empty, looking for decent fights, etc.).
I only play AD and in the past I have seen players in zone who jump onto AD just to troll and then pop back to their actual faction. It has been a hot minute (years), since I've seen this type of behavior, but that's my experience.
IMHO, all current Cyrodiil servers should be sunsetted. When the new fresh servers pop back up, they should have the open campaign on top while the faction lock campaign is placed on the bottom. Many players on here have expressed that having the faction lock campaign at the very top biases player choice and creates a false narrative that the majority of the playerbase wants faction lock. ZOS should put this premise to the test and if the majority of the playerbase still chooses the faction lock campaign, then it'll be up to the players to build up the open campaign's population.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Burn/Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Heal- Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Inferno/Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Rage of the Ursauk jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Crushing Shock/Storm Pulsar, Streak, Flame/Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Fire/Storms, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build) and Fiery/Thunderous Rage.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Mother Ciannait's (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Max Mag Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), CP restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and CP ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact for regular and NoCP build/Oblivion's Foe for dot build (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Max Mag Enchants). Knight Slayer/Pariah jewelry/Plaguebreak for dot build (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant for regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build. Sharpened for dot build)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Empowered Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that only utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (Infused/shock enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on head and everything else Magicka Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Max Health Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant/Stealth-Draining Poison IX), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1:Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver (Shatter Soul).
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Lover for penetration when playing a sorc or temp.
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Thaumaturge, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvE Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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reazea✭✭✭✭✭
✭I prefer faction lock. There are too many trolls that swap factions or coordinate with their friends on other factions without faction lock.4 -
xDeusEJRx✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not a fan of faction lock, I don't personally care about the campaign score.I just want to PVP, so I don't care who's winning or losing.
I usually play the losing faction because there's more opportunities to pvp and any mechanic that reduces my ability and options to PVP (like faction lock) is not desirable. It's not fun if you guess wrong and queue into the faction that's winning most of the timeSolo PvP'er PS5 NA player
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Kappachi✭✭✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »I bought the Any Race, Any Alliance Bundle so i don't have any faction lock and everything is fine.😎
My Khajiit family never goes to Cyrodil, the trading opportunities there are very poor...
That's not what they mean by faction lock.
Faction lock means if you play Grey Host on a blue, you can no longer play Grey Host on a yellow.
It's dumb because it basically means you aren't allowed to play in the only campaign with real action if you have multiple friend groups in different factions.
It's not dumb, it's a smart system. You should commit to helping your allies and not bail to help another color just because things go south once for your team. If you have friends you can make characters to play together, simple as that.1 -
CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »I bought the Any Race, Any Alliance Bundle so i don't have any faction lock and everything is fine.😎
My Khajiit family never goes to Cyrodil, the trading opportunities there are very poor...
That's not what they mean by faction lock.
Faction lock means if you play Grey Host on a blue, you can no longer play Grey Host on a yellow.
It's dumb because it basically means you aren't allowed to play in the only campaign with real action if you have multiple friend groups in different factions.
It's not dumb, it's a smart system. You should commit to helping your allies and not bail to help another color just because things go south once for your team. If you have friends you can make characters to play together, simple as that.
Yes, I should expect every single friend group I have to all make characters on a single alliance. That makes perfect sense, you solved the problem!3 -
Kappachi✭✭✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »I bought the Any Race, Any Alliance Bundle so i don't have any faction lock and everything is fine.😎
My Khajiit family never goes to Cyrodil, the trading opportunities there are very poor...
That's not what they mean by faction lock.
Faction lock means if you play Grey Host on a blue, you can no longer play Grey Host on a yellow.
It's dumb because it basically means you aren't allowed to play in the only campaign with real action if you have multiple friend groups in different factions.
It's not dumb, it's a smart system. You should commit to helping your allies and not bail to help another color just because things go south once for your team. If you have friends you can make characters to play together, simple as that.
Yes, I should expect every single friend group I have to all make characters on a single alliance. That makes perfect sense, you solved the problem!
Exactly. Not sure why it's so complicated for OP and others.1 -
Casul✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just let people assign their alliance at the beginning of each campaign. Given the new tutorial it doesn’t even make sense to have alliance brought up on character creation anymore.PvP needs more love.0 -
CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »I bought the Any Race, Any Alliance Bundle so i don't have any faction lock and everything is fine.😎
My Khajiit family never goes to Cyrodil, the trading opportunities there are very poor...
That's not what they mean by faction lock.
Faction lock means if you play Grey Host on a blue, you can no longer play Grey Host on a yellow.
It's dumb because it basically means you aren't allowed to play in the only campaign with real action if you have multiple friend groups in different factions.
It's not dumb, it's a smart system. You should commit to helping your allies and not bail to help another color just because things go south once for your team. If you have friends you can make characters to play together, simple as that.
Yes, I should expect every single friend group I have to all make characters on a single alliance. That makes perfect sense, you solved the problem!
Exactly. Not sure why it's so complicated for OP and others.
Think you're missing the sarcasm bud.
If you honestly think that's an easy solution then you have no respect for people's time. Not everyone has the time to roll up a fresh character, level all of their passives, gather enough skyshards for a build, get all of their scribe scripts they need, and hunt for things like lorebooks and psijic portals just to play with their friends. Not to mention there's no good way logistically for multiple friend groups with no communication between them except for 1 player to agree "yah let's all play on this faction".
Plus, that literally only encourages even more unbalanced faction sizes. Without alliance lock, many people that go to Cyrodiil for actual fights would much rather play on the least populated faction anyways.
It's an MMO. There's no reason why you should be discouraging people from playing with one another.Edited by CameraBeardThePirate on 5 September 2024 18:402 -
SkaraMinoc✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm positive faction lock being added had very little to do with zenimax caring about "competitive integrity" in regards to campaign scoring, and everything to do with their intentions to squeeze more money out of pvp players through the later-added alliance swap tokens.
Alliance change tokens are way too expensive. I've landed on DC permanently because I refuse to buy another one.PC NA0 -
DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭Faction lock does nothing to curb trollism. People still steal hammer and scrolls and give them away. Today someone was using frozen gate to glitch their friends on another alliance into Farre on xbox. What it does do is lead to staleness for 30 days because of the way populations shift. For example, I know people who switched to AD this campaign to get away from the red zerg. Guess what faction is zerging most of the time now? You guessed it. AD. Because a bunch of people had the same idea. Now those people are annoyed because they are in the same situation and can't do anything about it until the camp is up, and they roll the dice again.
I used to play in BR for this very reason and somehow all the bogeymen "troll" fears didn't happen there anymore than they do in GH. The only difference is BR is mostly dead on Xbox since GH works quite better these days than it did a year+ ago. BR only has populations at certain peak hours, and even then it's usually much less exciting.
I wish they would try it for at least one campaign and let people see how it goes. They made us sit through no proc tests that caused people to spend massive amounts of gold. This wouldn't change anything other than people can switch around.
Some people take who wins/loses campaigns and who is on what color way too seriously.I drink and I stream things.1 -
ADawg✭✭✭JonnytheKing wrote: »Im doing a video on the topic and would like to hear your thoughts
DO YOU LIKE IT?
DO YOU THINK ITS DUMB?
Faction lock is amazing. Keep it. Pick a team, help your team, stop swapping. FIGHT FOR YOUR TEAM!1 -
edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭✭There is a campaign with faction lock and another without it.
The people who want faction lock play Gray Host and the ones that don't play Blackreach.
Asking faction lock to be removed would be taking the option away from people who actually want it and actively play with it which makes no sense.
Why would you want that? Just play the option you want with your friends.0 -
xDeusEJRx✭✭✭✭✭
✭edward_frigidhands wrote: »There is a campaign with faction lock and another without it.
The people who want faction lock play Gray Host and the ones that don't play Blackreach.
Asking faction lock to be removed would be taking the option away from people who actually want it and actively play with it which makes no sense.
Why would you want that? Just play the option you want with your friends.
I don't think you understand OP's intention with this thread. He's looking for opinions on faction look for data, this is not a "remove faction lock" threadSolo PvP'er PS5 NA player
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DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭edward_frigidhands wrote: »There is a campaign with faction lock and another without it.
The people who want faction lock play Gray Host and the ones that don't play Blackreach.
Asking faction lock to be removed would be taking the option away from people who actually want it and actively play with it which makes no sense.
Why would you want that? Just play the option you want with your friends.
People play GH even during the worst lag because that is where the other players are and they want action. I see just as much cross-alliance trolling in GH than I ever have in BR. People get bored and do stupid things. It's always going to happen.I drink and I stream things.0 -
RaidingTraiding✭✭✭I'm really not a fan of faction lock for a few reasons.
First I play in a group in BR. When BR is dead there's really not much we can do since we have members who play in other groups across all 3 factions. We would like to hop in GH to get more fights, but can't because of this.
Second, when the faction I'm locked to on GH is zerging the map I would like to have the option to swap to the other factions to get better fights in. This is especially true in off hours when fights can be more one sided.
Also a common argument for faction lock is SpAiS. There are a lot of people who have alt accounts, so if you were really intent on spying, you could just use your alt account, or get a friend to spy for you. To be honest I really find the spy argument ridiculous, and the whole notion of accusing people of spying.0 -
Muizer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Population imbalances have been a fatal design flaw in Cyrodiil from the start. Players should be encouraged to change side to the weaker factions and players should be discouraged, or even prevented from joining the dominant faction.
So yeah, that would mean getting rid of faction lock. But not just that, it also means getting rid of faction based campaign scoring.
Please stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!1 -
ZeroAxis✭✭✭You can argue it either way, tbh.
Plus side, you are forced to play for the faction you chose and helps mitigate some of the trolling that goes on.
On the other hand, we all have pals we’ve met throughout our time in eso. Not all are on the same faction, so the no lock option is how they get to play together.
Personally, the only thing I can’t stand about unlocked factions is players logging in to swipe a scroll or the hammer to hand over to the other faction. Then they swap back over.
Is it super common? No. Is it annoying? Yes
Ultimately, I think a full revamp of Cyrodiil forts and outposts would be awesome, along with the defeat of one of the factions to make it a 2 way fight. But that’s just me and it will definitely never happen.0
