Big pvp update= few new maps/modes of a content being played by 1/4 of the already niche pvp community. The 20 people playing bg on PSEU say thanks, i guess.

Since its based only on time spent the fact that the more you play the less people you meet its a signal that most of the people don't really like Bg's and just give it a a fast try.
I do like 5 bg per week on different characters and i already get really high queue times.
If i have one hour to play i dont want to spend half of it picking corn flowers while waiting for the game to find someobe to play with.

I'm going to try it out for sure, and two team 4v4 / 8v8 is a huge step in the right direction. There are some aspects of the BG refresh I'm less interested in (power-ups, limited lives in Deathmatch, etc.) but I'll try it out one way or another. The maps themselves look interesting, and some even give me FPS vibes (which is a good thing).

I absolutely agree with concerns over mixed group/solo for the 8v8 mode, though, given that there's no MMR. The 8v8 mode is intended to be casual, as per Wheeler. You cannot have premades mixed in with solo players and still have it be "casual," especially when there's no MMR. Strong coordinated optimized groups of four players in comms who just want to pop noobs or uncoordinated players for fun will completely destroy any casual aspect of that game mode.

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Only way I might have been interested is had they did a 20 vs 20 or even maybe 12 vs 12. Still kind of small. Something larger scale than just 4v4 or 8v8 like has been done with almost every MMO to just make PvP nothing more than a checkmark to say they have it

If you want large-scale PvP just go to Cyro.

There you can get 20v20 while others that want 4v4 can have that in BGs.

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Only way I might have been interested is had they did a 20 vs 20 or even maybe 12 vs 12. Still kind of small. Something larger scale than just 4v4 or 8v8 like has been done with almost every MMO to just make PvP nothing more than a checkmark to say they have it

If you want large-scale PvP just go to Cyro.

There you can get 20v20 while others that want 4v4 can have that in BGs.

Will do while it has not had any meaningful update in years. Enjoy your BGs for a couple months before y'all start complaining about long queues again

Thanks

Also on PC/EU at least the solo queue BGs are usually pretty fast.
Rarely have to wait more than 5 minutes unless I queue in the morning or very late at night.

notyuu wrote: »

I would be excited for this, however the introduction of the lives system is going to change BG culture from "ha ha, he he, endless chaotic fun time brawl" due to time from death to being back I to the action being, at the very most, 60 seconds, and usually closer to 20 seconds, to "I'm procs McGee and this is my 50,000 health" Due to each player suddenly having a VERY heavy inventive to avoid death at any cost

This is exactly my concern. You are punishing deaths which promotes survivability. 40-50k health Wardens/Arcanists are going to be the immediate meta.

I think unless you do big changes (that will not happen) to the ESP PvP you will always have tanks.
They just need to design the reward system in a way that you get nothing out of being a tank.

notyuu wrote: »

I would be excited for this, however the introduction of the lives system is going to change BG culture from "ha ha, he he, endless chaotic fun time brawl" due to time from death to being back I to the action being, at the very most, 60 seconds, and usually closer to 20 seconds, to "I'm procs McGee and this is my 50,000 health" Due to each player suddenly having a VERY heavy inventive to avoid death at any cost

That was my first thought when I saw that. It’ll either end up being Elder Tanks Online or Elder Ganks Online. I also really don’t want to sit and spectate other players PVPing and having all the fun when I run out of lives. If I wanted to do that, I’d be playing Fortnite.

I like the changes that they're proposing. I keep seeing people saying that BGs is trash so why update it, but BGs is only trash due to how it's currently implemented. I do think the new changes will address a lot of the current pain points to make BGs a much more enjoyable experience instead of the chaotic mess that it currently is. Brian was talking how it's highly configrable, so the possibility of new game modes like FFA or 12v12 being added in the future is there. My concern only concern is the same everyone else has with mixing solo with group queues.

Assuming this new 4vs4 or 8vs8 is deathmatch like.
Consequently this 4vs4 or 8vs8 shall only allow group queue, solo queue make non sense, just like WOW arena,

solo on this 2 faction 4vs4 or 8vs8 too easy to get 1 team overwhelming as current we frequently encounter in BG death match, there alway 1 team overwhelming other 2, but lucky BG get 3 faction so it still playable , for ESO we get role of healer , it no way to guarantee both team get healer in solo queue, which is critical role in death match mode and major reason 1 team overwhelmed other 2 in BG deathmatch

We can image if solo queue allowed, for this newly add 2 faction match it will end as 1 team been overwhelming and quit early as it unplayable , the winner side feel no more better , as they just win because opposite side just left the game

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

I don't know if I understand everything correctly but they told and showed on stream that there is no solo/group modes but only 4vs4 and 8vs8 mode for all. So technically it will allow premade groups to join or just everyone will be solo queued?

I don't want to play as PUG with premades because it will be fun only for one side. PUG mostly don't have a chance with premades, because premade group can adjust sets and strategy to synergize and PUG didn't even know what other players have and do. It will kill population of casuals in no time and only strength decision to avoid PvP in many players.

Pre make only shall be best, solo also get problem that team get healer will overwhelming , this happen everyday in BG death match