Thank you Brian and team for the BG updates

SkaraMinoc

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2247685867?t=0h15m32s

I was pleasantly surprised listening to Brian speak on the live stream today about the Battlegrounds changes. I have a renewed sense of confidence in the PvP team that they do listen to feedback and try to make changes that the community wants. Even if it takes 2 years to get those changes in 😁 We've been asking for 2-team battlegrounds at least going back to 2021 and also competitive small-scale arenas for quite some time. So it's good to see those maps and leaderboard getting added.

Here are some screenshots of competitive 4v4 from the live stream (39:25)

Bashev

I am really looking forward to this too.

I just have a few concerns for the no MMR in 8vs8 and the group queue for 8vs8. This will bring very toxic situations in a mode designed for casual playing.

Ocelot9x

Big pvp update= few new maps/modes of a content being played by 1/4 of the already niche pvp community. The 20 people playing bg on PSEU say thanks, i guess.

Bashev

Ocelot9x wrote: »

Big pvp update= few new maps/modes of a content being played by 1/4 of the already niche pvp community. The 20 people playing bg on PSEU say thanks, i guess.

Lol, there are lot of ppl running BGs, once you reach high MMR is all the same true, but if you make a new character you will see so many new characters.

The thing is the more you play you are matched vs others who more they play and it is not related to their performance. It is related to the time spent.

Ocelot9x

Since its based only on time spent the fact that the more you play the less people you meet its a signal that most of the people don't really like Bg's and just give it a a fast try.
I do like 5 bg per week on different characters and i already get really high queue times.
If i have one hour to play i dont want to spend half of it picking corn flowers while waiting for the game to find someobe to play with.

Einstein_

I just hope they change the MMR system before it goes live !!!

currently the person who plays the most for the goal of earing medals will win the ranking.
NOT THE BEST PVPER !

Aurielle

I'm going to try it out for sure, and two team 4v4 / 8v8 is a huge step in the right direction. There are some aspects of the BG refresh I'm less interested in (power-ups, limited lives in Deathmatch, etc.) but I'll try it out one way or another. The maps themselves look interesting, and some even give me FPS vibes (which is a good thing).

I absolutely agree with concerns over mixed group/solo for the 8v8 mode, though, given that there's no MMR. The 8v8 mode is intended to be casual, as per Wheeler. You cannot have premades mixed in with solo players and still have it be "casual," especially when there's no MMR. Strong coordinated optimized groups of four players in comms who just want to pop noobs or uncoordinated players for fun will completely destroy any casual aspect of that game mode.

TechMaybeHic

Only way I might have been interested is had they did a 20 vs 20 or even maybe 12 vs 12. Still kind of small. Something larger scale than just 4v4 or 8v8 like has been done with almost every MMO to just make PvP nothing more than a checkmark to say they have it

Jierdanit

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Only way I might have been interested is had they did a 20 vs 20 or even maybe 12 vs 12. Still kind of small. Something larger scale than just 4v4 or 8v8 like has been done with almost every MMO to just make PvP nothing more than a checkmark to say they have it

If you want large-scale PvP just go to Cyro.

There you can get 20v20 while others that want 4v4 can have that in BGs.

TechMaybeHic

Jierdanit wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Only way I might have been interested is had they did a 20 vs 20 or even maybe 12 vs 12. Still kind of small. Something larger scale than just 4v4 or 8v8 like has been done with almost every MMO to just make PvP nothing more than a checkmark to say they have it

If you want large-scale PvP just go to Cyro.

There you can get 20v20 while others that want 4v4 can have that in BGs.

Will do while it has not had any meaningful update in years. Enjoy your BGs for a couple months before y'all start complaining about long queues again

Jierdanit

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Jierdanit wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

Only way I might have been interested is had they did a 20 vs 20 or even maybe 12 vs 12. Still kind of small. Something larger scale than just 4v4 or 8v8 like has been done with almost every MMO to just make PvP nothing more than a checkmark to say they have it

If you want large-scale PvP just go to Cyro.

There you can get 20v20 while others that want 4v4 can have that in BGs.

Will do while it has not had any meaningful update in years. Enjoy your BGs for a couple months before y'all start complaining about long queues again

Thanks

Also on PC/EU at least the solo queue BGs are usually pretty fast.
Rarely have to wait more than 5 minutes unless I queue in the morning or very late at night.

notyuu

I would be excited for this, however the introduction of the lives system is going to change BG culture from "ha ha, he he, endless chaotic fun time brawl" due to time from death to being back I to the action being, at the very most, 60 seconds, and usually closer to 20 seconds, to "I'm procs McGee and this is my 50,000 health" Due to each player suddenly having a VERY heavy inventive to avoid death at any cost

Jsmalls

notyuu wrote: »

I would be excited for this, however the introduction of the lives system is going to change BG culture from "ha ha, he he, endless chaotic fun time brawl" due to time from death to being back I to the action being, at the very most, 60 seconds, and usually closer to 20 seconds, to "I'm procs McGee and this is my 50,000 health" Due to each player suddenly having a VERY heavy inventive to avoid death at any cost

This is exactly my concern. You are punishing deaths which promotes survivability. 40-50k health Wardens/Arcanists are going to be the immediate meta.

Luke_Flamesword

I don't know if I understand everything correctly but they told and showed on stream that there is no solo/group modes but only 4vs4 and 8vs8 mode for all. So technically it will allow premade groups to join or just everyone will be solo queued?

I don't want to play as PUG with premades because it will be fun only for one side. PUG mostly don't have a chance with premades, because premade group can adjust sets and strategy to synergize and PUG didn't even know what other players have and do. It will kill population of casuals in no time and only strength decision to avoid PvP in many players.

Einstein_

I think unless you do big changes (that will not happen) to the ESP PvP you will always have tanks.
They just need to design the reward system in a way that you get nothing out of being a tank.

Jierdanit

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

I don't know if I understand everything correctly but they told and showed on stream that there is no solo/group modes but only 4vs4 and 8vs8 mode for all. So technically it will allow premade groups to join or just everyone will be solo queued?

I don't want to play as PUG with premades because it will be fun only for one side. PUG mostly don't have a chance with premades, because premade group can adjust sets and strategy to synergize and PUG didn't even know what other players have and do. It will kill population of casuals in no time and only strength decision to avoid PvP in many players.

They said you can queue with 1-4 people for both of the modes.

Which absolutely sucks.

Premades and solo players should never be mixed in a mode that tries to be balanced teams.

Aurielle

notyuu wrote: »

I would be excited for this, however the introduction of the lives system is going to change BG culture from "ha ha, he he, endless chaotic fun time brawl" due to time from death to being back I to the action being, at the very most, 60 seconds, and usually closer to 20 seconds, to "I'm procs McGee and this is my 50,000 health" Due to each player suddenly having a VERY heavy inventive to avoid death at any cost

That was my first thought when I saw that. It’ll either end up being Elder Tanks Online or Elder Ganks Online. I also really don’t want to sit and spectate other players PVPing and having all the fun when I run out of lives. If I wanted to do that, I’d be playing Fortnite.

Bashev

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

I don't know if I understand everything correctly but they told and showed on stream that there is no solo/group modes but only 4vs4 and 8vs8 mode for all. So technically it will allow premade groups to join or just everyone will be solo queued?

I don't want to play as PUG with premades because it will be fun only for one side. PUG mostly don't have a chance with premades, because premade group can adjust sets and strategy to synergize and PUG didn't even know what other players have and do. It will kill population of casuals in no time and only strength decision to avoid PvP in many players.

Yep group queue and solo queue are together.

Right now in PC EU we share when we have some team sets, you just write it when you join the game. The issue is not knowing what your teammates have but more that the groups will have optimized synergized builds plus voice communication which brings big advantage but I guess everyone can find a party if they want to have the advantage.

It is just sad for the new PvP players who just want to try the new update and get rekt.

Estin

I like the changes that they're proposing. I keep seeing people saying that BGs is trash so why update it, but BGs is only trash due to how it's currently implemented. I do think the new changes will address a lot of the current pain points to make BGs a much more enjoyable experience instead of the chaotic mess that it currently is. Brian was talking how it's highly configrable, so the possibility of new game modes like FFA or 12v12 being added in the future is there. My concern only concern is the same everyone else has with mixing solo with group queues.

JaxontheUnfortunate

While I will most likely try them out the changes to queuing will probably make me want to do BG's even less than I already do.

bladenick

Assuming this new 4vs4 or 8vs8 is deathmatch like.
Consequently this 4vs4 or 8vs8 shall only allow group queue, solo queue make non sense, just like WOW arena,

solo on this 2 faction 4vs4 or 8vs8 too easy to get 1 team overwhelming as current we frequently encounter in BG death match, there alway 1 team overwhelming other 2, but lucky BG get 3 faction so it still playable , for ESO we get role of healer , it no way to guarantee both team get healer in solo queue, which is critical role in death match mode and major reason 1 team overwhelmed other 2 in BG deathmatch

We can image if solo queue allowed, for this newly add 2 faction match it will end as 1 team been overwhelming and quit early as it unplayable , the winner side feel no more better , as they just win because opposite side just left the game

Wolfkeks

Def gonna miss the 3 teams against each other bit 8vs8 is nice

bladenick

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

I don't know if I understand everything correctly but they told and showed on stream that there is no solo/group modes but only 4vs4 and 8vs8 mode for all. So technically it will allow premade groups to join or just everyone will be solo queued?

I don't want to play as PUG with premades because it will be fun only for one side. PUG mostly don't have a chance with premades, because premade group can adjust sets and strategy to synergize and PUG didn't even know what other players have and do. It will kill population of casuals in no time and only strength decision to avoid PvP in many players.

Pre make only shall be best, solo also get problem that team get healer will overwhelming , this happen everyday in BG death match

Thumbless_Bot

Einstein_ wrote: »

I think unless you do big changes (that will not happen) to the ESP PvP you will always have tanks.
They just need to design the reward system in a way that you get nothing out of being a tank.

I dislike tank playstyle in pvp too but why? Ppl play the way they want.

How about we make it so every time yo go invisible your score resets? Or every time you hold block, streak/mist/cloak away your score resets to zero? Or every time you cast a damage shield your score resets?

I really really dislike proc sets so how about every time you damage an opponent with a proc set your character gets set back to lvl 1 and all your skill points reset? Noe that would be 👌