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The current state of Pvp: quality vs quantity
Ocelot9x
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It's my first poll so i have no idea on what I'm doing, but im really interested on hearing what pvp players think about the subject
The current state of Pvp: quality vs quantity 28 votes
Current PvP characterization : lots of set to choose from, many CP, modifiers etc. but pop locked, few people running around and generally 1-big figgts all around the map
60%
17 votes
Pvp by archetypes: select between few preset builds (like Torc of the last king) but servers can handle 10x the current players
39%
11 votes
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Necrotech_Master✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i dont think the gear is the only thing that causes the lag in cyro, even if everyone was only using the torc of the last king, if you added 10x the player cap there, you would still get insane lag because of the game having to do processing for player positioning, the skills themselves, siege, the keep status (wall dmg, keep levels from resources, etc)
theres a lot of factors going on besides gear
no proc was kind of a similar thing to that, since significantly less gear options, but based on population it was almost never populated in ravenwatch, which means that ruleset was incredibly unpopular, and it was a catch 22 because of all the people that complained about procs would never play there because they said nobody played there
even when they did the testing and had all the campaigns as no proc, zos said that it only marginally effected performance, but not enough to make an impact
we dont know exactly everything that goes on behind the scenes with processing in cyrodiil since its all handled serverside, at this point the only real thing they can do would be throw more hardware at the problem, but thats not a real solution to tech problemsplays PC/NA
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Tinkerhorn✭✭✭Pvp by archetypes: select between few preset builds (like Torc of the last king) but servers can handle 10x the current playersI'm of 2 minds and this is theoretical as I don't think what you propose is possible anyway, but the current trajectory of continuously decreasing pop size is going to kill cyro eventually just by forced atrophy so defacto option 2 would have to be it.
That said a big part of PvP in eso is making your own build/char and if that's removed you'd probably lose huge chunks of the PvP population anyway. Bit of a lose lose really.Edited by Tinkerhorn on 28 August 2024 01:231 -
Ocelot9x✭✭✭✭✭Tinkerhorn wrote: »I'm of 2 minds and this is theoretical as I don't think what you propose is possible anyway, but the current trajectory of continuously decreasing pop size is going to kill cyro eventually just by forced atrophy so defacto option 2 would have to be it.
That said a big part of PvP in eso is making your own build/char and if that's removed you'd probably lose huge chunks of the PvP population anyway. Bit of a lose lose really.
It's not something im proposing since Zos had deaf ears for years even for suggestions 10x better than this; It's only curiosity because i love making new builds and theorycraft but sometimes i miss the big population and the times everyone was running julianos/willpower hunding/agility0 -
loosej✭✭✭✭I want both, lots of sets/cp/modifiers to choose from, and servers that can handle 10x the capacity. Cyro PvP is what made me really invested in this game, and the promises of server upgrades and code rewrites are what made me spend a lot more on this game than I originally intended (taking eso+ fulltime and buying chapters on release). I'm still having fun, and reduced my frustrations a lot by reducing my spending (chapter on discount, 2-3 times a month of eso+ a year to clear inventory), but I won't be happy with anything less than what I was being sold.4 -
Vaqual✭✭✭✭✭Current PvP characterization : lots of set to choose from, many CP, modifiers etc. but pop locked, few people running around and generally 1-big figgts all around the mapYou didn't provide really fair answer options, but if the customization wasn't the way it is I would not be playing this game.1
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edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭✭Current PvP characterization : lots of set to choose from, many CP, modifiers etc. but pop locked, few people running around and generally 1-big figgts all around the mapYou didn't provide really fair answer options, but if the customization wasn't the way it is I would not be playing this game.
Many people are in this boat.
Regardless of how this poll goes, the truth is that if we implement what is being suggested via option B then you would automatically fix lag in PVP because no one would be playing.0 -
xylena_lazarow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Current PvP characterization : lots of set to choose from, many CP, modifiers etc. but pop locked, few people running around and generally 1-big figgts all around the mapIf you want rigid class archetypes, then FF14 is probably more your jam.
A few years back they did a global no proc test to see if it affected performance. It did not.PC/NA || CP/Cyro || RIP soft caps0 -
CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Current PvP characterization : lots of set to choose from, many CP, modifiers etc. but pop locked, few people running around and generally 1-big figgts all around the mapSet archetypes and builds would do nothing to fix the lag - they already tested that with the no-proc tests.0 -
Thumbless_Bot✭✭✭Current PvP characterization : lots of set to choose from, many CP, modifiers etc. but pop locked, few people running around and generally 1-big figgts all around the mapI would love it if they went back and removed all the rule breaking sets like DC and roa. Game has spiraled downhill from that point onward and only gotten worse. However, build diversity, within the rules, is what MADE.. historically speaking, this game so good once upon a time.
Let's give nb a heal that breaks the battle spirit rule while we are at it...Edited by Thumbless_Bot on 28 August 2024 14:220 -
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✭Current PvP characterization : lots of set to choose from, many CP, modifiers etc. but pop locked, few people running around and generally 1-big figgts all around the mapVariety is the spice of life! ZOS just needs to go all hands on deck to fix performance.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Burn/Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Heal- Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Inferno/Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Rage of the Ursauk jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Crushing Shock/Storm Pulsar, Streak, Flame/Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Fire/Storms, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build) and Fiery/Thunderous Rage.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Mother Ciannait's (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Max Mag Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), CP restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and CP ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact for regular and NoCP build/Oblivion's Foe for dot build (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Max Mag Enchants). Knight Slayer/Pariah jewelry/Plaguebreak for dot build (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant for regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build. Sharpened for dot build)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Empowered Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that only utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (Infused/shock enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on head and everything else Magicka Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Max Health Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant/Stealth-Draining Poison IX), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1:Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver (Shatter Soul).
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Lover for penetration when playing a sorc or temp.
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Thaumaturge, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvE Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Major_Toughness✭✭✭✭The two tests they did that actually helped performance were:
1. only being able to heal your own group
2. Cool down on AoE skills (shared across all abilities)
Now, 2 sucked. Especially for something like a Templar where you couldn't cast your spammable.
1 was fantastic.
The no-proc test had no benefit and was only kept until recently because of a vocal minority.PC EU > You0 -
edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭✭Current PvP characterization : lots of set to choose from, many CP, modifiers etc. but pop locked, few people running around and generally 1-big figgts all around the mapThumbless_Bot wrote: »
Let's give nb a heal that breaks the battle spirit rule while we are at it...
Bro what are you talking about
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moderatelyfatman✭✭✭✭✭It's my first poll so i have no idea on what I'm doing, but im really interested on hearing what pvp players think about the subject
I think you are missing the two main problems:
1. The PvP playerbase has shrunken so much that it is not really sustainable.
2. Performance has gotten so bad that you have ever shrinking population caps so that the few remaining players can't get in during peak times.1 -
moderatelyfatman✭✭✭✭✭xylena_lazarow wrote: »If you want rigid class archetypes, then FF14 is probably more your jam.
A few years back they did a global no proc test to see if it affected performance. It did not.
Dude, do you endgame PvE?
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