Question for pvpers, what would be the most disappointing thing to get in update 44?

Lags · August 24

Photosniper89 wrote: »

What I don't want to see is a dueling finder or just new BG maps.

Other studios pump out maps on a monthly basis - if it took 5 years and all we get is some BG maps that is going to be disappointing.

I know they have already said it's not Cyro related so.... for me that is the overall disappointment. Cyro has been abandoned and it's truly a shame.

ya i agree completely. Hopefully they add some improvements or fixes along the way to cyro or IC, but like you said they take sooooo long to do stuff. Its insane what other companies accomplish while we wait and wait and wait.

A BG map is part of a chapter or something. Marketing this as an update focused on pvp, and then adding some new bg maps, is awful.

Even though i knew it wasnt cyro or IC related, i had hoped for a battle royale zone like from wow, or an FFA pvp island like i heard new world was doing, or war mode system like wow, even a plain old new zone. Something new, something substantial. Not updating older systems. That is the worst case scenario. Unless they fixed performance in cyrodiil, but for one we all know that wont happen, and 2 its nothing to do with cyro. So ya, gg.

Stamicka · August 24

I’ll be disappointed with anything as long as the devs keep playing it so safe. At some point we just stopped getting meaningful combat changes even though combat and balance are in a very bad place. Idk when ZOS will get it, but the game needs to perform, be better balanced, and have more skill based mechanics if they want anything PvP related to be successful.

Of course the exact opposite of what’s needed keeps happening. More broken overtuned sets get added, performance continues to degrade, and ZOS continues to take away anything that can cause a skill gap.

xylena_lazarow · August 25

entire game reverted to u35

Udrath · August 25

I don’t know but the PvP update might be a make or break moment for a lot of players. Usually updates are things no one asked for regarding pvp. I’ve never seen a dev live stream cyrodiil, just battlegrounds.

I rather them just come out and say they will be balancing pvp around no-cp.

moderatelyfatman · August 25

Nothing. Everything that most disappoints me is already here.

moderatelyfatman · August 25

karthrag_inak wrote: »

PvE Cyrodiil. That'd be outrageous.

Given the population numbers outside of primetime, Cyrodiil is already PvE. I've done skyshard and delve runs in Cyrodiil and there is literally no one outside of the main keeps.

Ocelot9x · August 25

Everything only BG related would really be disappointing, both for me and for my guildies. What makes eso special for a lot of pvpers on the market is the open world alliance warfare, something that has been ignored for years.
Adding something like caravan events in cyro, changing a little bit the map, making the scoring relevant. Idk, anything. But I'm 100% sure ill be disappointed

darvaria · August 25

Well hopefully, the BG will be an 8 v 8, not this 4v4v4. But this larger 2 way is a step towards an AB or even AV BG one day. All those different maps for BG's is a waste. WOW has the best BG's of any MMO and when they don't change maps, they actually add a new BG. Like AV is 40v40, WSG is 10v10, AB has 5 bases and is 15 v 15. When they added tanks/siege at Strands of the Ancient, BG's went down hill. EOTS was okay. That's what I would like to see here. Hopefully these 8v8's will be popular. I think they will have to have CP and no CP. Or just CP versions. No one wants to have to adjust gear from Cyro to do a BG. What limits BG's now is they are NO CP only. And we see how popular the no CP cyro campaigns are ....... 1/1/1 .. sometimes a faction group wants to emp someone and you see a 2nd bar. NO ONE goes to no cp. I hope ZOS has noticed this. As players have noted, you can run around RH and never see a player.

Cyrodiil should be down sized. We don't have enough players now with caps so low for the towns and extra outposts. Condense players for more fights.

I would like to see towers at resources gone. You have no idea how boring it is to play EP at prime time and all you do is cap and recap resources. Enemies cap a resource and run in towers and either hump or jump out back and hide.\

The best pvp are the 3 ways at Arrius (on GH). You see very few 3 ways at Glade or Fare. EP loses sometimes but sometimes we get these 50K plus ticks. One fight was 3 hours. That's why I want the towers gone and those towns left there but not capped and WP, ***, Carmala removed. They added all that when we had 200 players on each faction. Now we have what? 60 to 80?

FlopsyPrince · August 25

Yeah! Some more things I will probably never do!

I don't want to gimp a team to hopefully get a Battleground carry....

And I have yet to find a good PvP Pet Sorc build. (Someone had their guess on one, but it didn't quite seem to be a true Pet Sorc. I don't expect my Pet Sorc ever to do well in PvP. I only gimp myself (pretty much) in IC and Cyrodiil, gimping a team is not appealing.

Once again the "changes" seem to target a very small part of the playerbase, just like the "quality of life" changes we just got which were far from that, though perhaps they made ZOS' quality of life better.

Thrasher91604 · August 25

If it’s only Battlegrounds, it would be an expected lackluster weak update.

Bashev · August 25

I think it will be similar to battlegrounds but it will come with another name, maybe PvP arenas. Also it will be only 2 teams and it will have a ranking system.

It will be more than 2vs2, maybe 3vs3, there is no way that they can balance 1vs1 and even 2vs2.

Right now 2 top builds basically cannot kill each other.

I will be super disappointed if this update is related to the card game.

MJallday · August 25

Battlegrounds is just too niche. They need to
Drive people towards it. 12x12x12 would be a good start

IC and the sewers are largely dead. Needs a complete rework

Cyro just needs to be 1 campaign . Not all these sub ones - and just fixed so it works

Muizer · August 25

I'm ready to be disappointed in the feature but actually what I dread most is when it gets revealed ZOS will say something like it's something "players have been asking for for a long time". If they come out with new battlegrounds or a duel finder, anything more than "we know it's not much, sorry for that" would be painful.

Nord_Raseri · August 25

Anything that's not a successful fix to lag, health desync, positional desync, stuck in combat bug, and the myriad of other issues plaging cyrodiil. Which means I will always be utterly disappointed.

Lags · August 25

Muizer wrote: »

I'm ready to be disappointed in the feature but actually what I dread most is when it gets revealed ZOS will say something like it's something "players have been asking for for a long time". If they come out with new battlegrounds or a duel finder, anything more than "we know it's not much, sorry for that" would be painful.

They seem to always give us "we know its not much, or what you hoped for, or wanted, or asked for, but its what we decided to do" more often than not, without saying that. But thats exactly how it is.

Bashev wrote: »

I think it will be similar to battlegrounds but it will come with another name, maybe PvP arenas. Also it will be only 2 teams and it will have a ranking system.

It will be more than 2vs2, maybe 3vs3, there is no way that they can balance 1vs1 and even 2vs2.

Right now 2 top builds basically cannot kill each other.

I will be super disappointed if this update is related to the card game.

Ngl, many of us were hoping for something substantial. cyrodiil has always been plagued by abysmal performance. IC needs a rework, and bgs could use some minor updates and new maps. But none of those things are what people were wanting or expecting with this update, we were expecting something new and exciting. Although, those of us who have been here for a very long time, and know zenimax, do not expect much. But its hard not to hope even a little bit.

So imo, it might as well be something related to tales of tribute, if its updating BGs. Either way, it will be extremely disappointing. Who knows. All i do know is zos does not like to listen to what they community wants. They never have, and they never will.

edit; I mean if they overhauled the ranking system and like almost every aspect of BGs, and made it similar to wow, i would accept it more. But the difference is in wow the rewards are vastly better and more meaningful. Mounts, good looking powerful gear, epic titles, and a lot of grinding to get to the top. That is something eso wont do. Imo, if its BG related, it will be tossing in a couple new maps, increasing the player size, and washing their hands of it. And expecting the community to thank them for it.

But again, all of these things are things that should happen during a chapter. Not in an update like this focused on pvp, where people expected something new and exciting. And if you think we shouldnt expect it, why not let pvers go 6 years without new content and see how well that goes.

FlopsyPrince · August 26

MJallday wrote: »

Battlegrounds is just too niche. They need to
Drive people towards it. 12x12x12 would be a good start

IC and the sewers are largely dead. Needs a complete rework

Cyro just needs to be 1 campaign . Not all these sub ones - and just fixed so it works

1 Campaign? That would limit players drastically and remove any chance of finding a campaign where your faction has a chance unless you are the one faction that has or is taking over the map.

moderatelyfatman · August 26

MJallday wrote: »

Battlegrounds is just too niche. They need to
Drive people towards it. 12x12x12 would be a good start

IC and the sewers are largely dead. Needs a complete rework

Cyro just needs to be 1 campaign . Not all these sub ones - and just fixed so it works

12 x 12 x 12
Isn't that just Cyrodiil after the next round of population cap reductions?

Seriously though, I think 12x12x12 would be a very bad idea once ball groups move in. You're going to get people posting death matches of ball groups against PUGs where the kill ratio is 100-0.
Most ball groupers are likely to have a low MMR at the start since most of them don't do BGs which will make things even worse.
A lot of newer players trying out PvP are likely to get wiped and won't come back.
Then the devs, who never consulted the players over what they want in PvP, will stop making new 'content' for PvP.

@xylena_lazarow
How about if they rolled it back to update 35, said 'Just kidding' and then rolled it back even further to update 34?

loosej · August 26

During a stream last week Gina mentioned an upcoming livestream regarding U44 and the battleground changes/additions, so we know that much. Unless she means something else than we do when saying battlegrounds.

Lags · August 27

loosej wrote: »

During a stream last week Gina mentioned an upcoming livestream regarding U44 and the battleground changes/additions, so we know that much. Unless she means something else than we do when saying battlegrounds.

oh thats good. well i usually expect the worst from zos so it is what it is.