Avatars !

Dimorphos · August 17

Infinite archive avatar visions are insanely cool. How about we could use them outside the archives? Wouldn't it be even more cool? Yes indeed.

They could become as a new ultimate only skill tree where you can choose which one of the avatars you prefer and a morph for it. 20seconds lasting transformation into a demigod and gaining new abilities fit for the avatar just like it happens when you become a werewolf. I miss the fire mage concept from Wow, and yes while you can think to be one as a dragon knight with flame staff, it is not the same at all. Fiery avatar transformation gaining access to similar spell as meteor ultimate like a huge fire comet, some smaller fire balls you can spam at 3 closest enemies as a cone attack, rain fire from the sky and some dot that sets your enemy into visible flames etc. would be something I truly wish for. Same idea for the ice and storm avatar.

I think these avatar visions deserve to be more than just restricted to infinite archives. We all love eye candy and we love transformations and stuff that makes you feel really special and powerful. Archive avatars are of course as powerful as becoming a god momentarily, so these ultimate versions could be little less powerful but slightly more expensive and more powerful than werewolf or vampire ultimates. This way all could go-exist. Please, give a thought for it..

Syldras · August 17

Dimorphos wrote: »

We all love eye candy and we love transformations and stuff that makes you feel really special and powerful.

Please only speak for yourself.

Dimorphos · August 17

Syldras wrote: »

Dimorphos wrote: »

We all love eye candy and we love transformations and stuff that makes you feel really special and powerful.

Please only speak for yourself.

It is a marketing sentence. Like "ain't it so..". Don't be so serious about it.

Syldras · August 17

Dimorphos wrote: »

It is a marketing sentence.

I know and I hate it when ever I see it, because it's generalizing and in many cases false. If I'd take it even more seriously, I could say you are trying to present your personal idea as more weighty than it is, trying to skew ZOS' view about what the playerbase actually wants. Not exactly friendly towards other players, is it?

An "I'd like to..." or "In my opinion..." would have been more than sufficient. At best including the question what others think. You know, to open a discussion and let ZOS really see what the playerbase truly wants.

While I have no problem with your suggestion, even if I'm personally not interested in that stuff,
- it's the first time this suggestion comes up in the forum, never have I seen any other player even mentioning that
- there are players who dislike all kinds of morphs/transformations, because they prefer to look at their character they way they have created them after spending a long time on the creation screen
- some people find there's already too much visual clutter and flashy effects in the game
So much for the "we". Just saying.

But good look with your suggestion! I mean it.

TaSheen · August 17

Wouldn't appeal to me at all, but I'm sure there are those who'd love it. Agree with Syldras, already too much clutter/flash in the game for me.

Erickson9610 · August 17

I've said in the past that it's a shame that the undead and werewolf avatars are what many necromancers/werewolves wish they could be outside of the Infinite Archive, but I have to say that the avatars in the IA are simply too strong and non-performant to be allowed in the overworld, 12-man trials, or PvP.

The new undead avatar coming in U43, for instance, lets you summon about a dozen skeletal minions to fight for you — if every Necromancer player had 12 minions each, Cyrodiil would lag much more than it already does.

Likewise, the Werewolf Behemoth avatar was designed for dungeon content and then adapted for the Infinite Archive — while its abilities could be scaled down to acceptable numbers, the abilities themselves are too strong. For instance, the ultimate is a gap closer like Mist Form which deals area damage, grants a synergy for 100% crit chance to allies, and revives all allies in the area like an uncapped version of Reanimate. Plus, none of its abilities cost resources, as they all use a cooldown system akin to Companion abilities, and they generate Ultimate directly.

Idelise · August 17

Yeee I don't think I'd like that. The game with all its flashy mounts and spells and mementos is already difficult to look at sometimes.

GuuMoonRyoung · August 17

Syldras wrote: »

I know and I hate it when ever I see it, because it's generalizing and in many cases false. If I'd take it even more seriously, I could say you are trying to present your personal idea as more weighty than it is, trying to skew ZOS' view about what the playerbase actually wants. Not exactly friendly towards other players, is it?

And every decision ZOS makes is accepted positively by all the playerbase? Does ZOS know exactly what the entire player base want? You are making a very odd point, you can not satisfy everyone, this is just an idea, I don't understand why you are so offended by it?

Dimorphos · August 17

GuuMoonRyoung wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

I know and I hate it when ever I see it, because it's generalizing and in many cases false. If I'd take it even more seriously, I could say you are trying to present your personal idea as more weighty than it is, trying to skew ZOS' view about what the playerbase actually wants. Not exactly friendly towards other players, is it?

And every decision ZOS makes is accepted positively by all the playerbase? Does ZOS know exactly what the entire player base want? You are making a very odd point, you can not satisfy everyone, this is just an idea, I don't understand why you are so offended by it?

Thank you. I really do not get these people who are so negative towards someones ideas and making one word or sentence to become such a drama. Life must be hard if something so simple and meaningless becomes such a nuisance.

Dimorphos · August 17

Syldras wrote: »

Dimorphos wrote: »

It is a marketing sentence.

I know and I hate it when ever I see it, because it's generalizing and in many cases false. If I'd take it even more seriously, I could say you are trying to present your personal idea as more weighty than it is, trying to skew ZOS' view about what the playerbase actually wants. Not exactly friendly towards other players, is it?

An "I'd like to..." or "In my opinion..." would have been more than sufficient. At best including the question what others think. You know, to open a discussion and let ZOS really see what the playerbase truly wants.

While I have no problem with your suggestion, even if I'm personally not interested in that stuff,
- it's the first time this suggestion comes up in the forum, never have I seen any other player even mentioning that
- there are players who dislike all kinds of morphs/transformations, because they prefer to look at their character they way they have created them after spending a long time on the creation screen
- some people find there's already too much visual clutter and flashy effects in the game
So much for the "we". Just saying.

But good look with your suggestion! I mean it.

Taking it a bit too far. I could even think someone has some really serious issues going on. Not my problem though.

Araneae6537 · August 17

I really enjoy the avatar visions in the archive where they’re fitting, but IMHO there are already too many abilities that change the look of a character too much. Flashy spells can be fun, and I like Arcanist, but I don’t like transforming into some monster thing, having firy eyeballs, sprouted rocks or bones out of my character’s back, etc. IMO, these things should be only in the archive and let there be more, maybe even challenges/levels that we can get by in different ways or have to obtain different transformations to pass — a skeever to pass through small holes, etc. (rather like the Mage Tower Nightmare in the original Dragon Age).

Syldras · August 17

You know, it was a little remark about how your wording sounds and that it doesn't exactly help to get positive reactions when propounding an idea. It was well-meant, which is the reason I ended my post with:

Syldras wrote: »

But good look with your suggestion! I mean it.

The only "drama" I see is feeling insulted by that, fantasizing about psychological "issues", etc. But go on how ever you want, in the end it's your choice how you want to present yourself and your ideas here.

Syldras · August 17

GuuMoonRyoung wrote: »

And every decision ZOS makes is accepted positively by all the playerbase? Does ZOS know exactly what the entire player base want? You are making a very odd point, you can not satisfy everyone, this is just an idea, I don't understand why you are so offended by it?

Yeah, these words mean I'm totally offended, of course:

Syldras wrote: »

While I have no problem with your suggestion, even if I'm personally not interested in that stuff,

Dimorphos · August 17

Syldras wrote: »

You know, it was a little remark about how your wording sounds and that it doesn't exactly help to get positive reactions when propounding an idea. It was well-meant, which is the reason I ended my post with:

Syldras wrote: »

But good look with your suggestion! I mean it.

The only "drama" I see is feeling insulted by that, fantasizing about psychological "issues", etc. But go on how ever you want, in the end it's your choice how you want to present yourself and your ideas here.

Look at your essay long comment above making such an issue about one little marketing sentence that i used. But this is exactly what you people are looking for, to find something from which you can turn an argue, you yearn for it. And you people should always be just ignored right away, don't feed the troll goes the saying. I'm out of here ->

Syldras · August 17

Dimorphos wrote: »

Look at your essay long comment above making such an issue about one little marketing sentence that i used. But this is exactly what you people are looking for, to find something from which you can turn an argue, you yearn for it. And you people should always be just ignored right away, don't feed the troll goes the saying. I'm out of here ->

Well, so much for "drama".

Normally, I'd wish you a good evening (nonetheless) now, but who knows what interpretation that will undergo.

katanagirl1 · August 17

I’ve never actually got all 3 of the avatar visions so I can’t relate.

Pelanora · August 17

Why can't people just talk about an idea instead of beating up the person who posted it.

Syldras · August 17

Pelanora wrote: »

Why can't people just talk about an idea instead of beating up the person who posted it.

I'm not sure if that's cultural differences, but where I'm from neither telling a person how their suggestion sounds nor giving them a rhetorical tipp is considered "beating up". Same goes for disagreeing and listing the reasons. It's a forum, it's for voicing our opinions and discussing suggestions. Or not?

I wouldn't be bothered in any way if someone told me I made a logic mistake or forgot some facts when making a suggestion, or that something I wrote sounds pushy or comes across as rude (and even less would I mind if someone disagrees with me and reasons why - that's normal). I'd use the hint to think about it, and if the criticism makes sense to me, change things. Not throw around weird insults and throw a tantrum. We're adults here. Or am I expecting too much? It's a serious question.

ArchangelIsraphel · August 17

Pelanora wrote: »

Why can't people just talk about an idea instead of beating up the person who posted it.

I always find myself wondering why opinions which offers advice are interpreted in this way. Having a different opinion than someone else isn't an act of war. It's an opening for discussion, and an opportunity to become aware of how others might see certain phrases so that future communication can be improved upon.

I think it's always important to consider that certain likes, dislikes, and preferences are not universal. Presenting a concept as a player, to players, from a "marketing" perspective, using the kind of verbiage that corporations use, is generally not a good idea. Speaking for "everyone" isn't going to win you any favors on a forum which is all about expressing opinions and discussing the merits and detriments of certain ideas.

My experience on these forums has made me realize that there is a wide variety of player types, and ways to play. While it is impossible to account for every single nuance, I find it best, when making my own posts, to avoid assuming that everyone plays like me or wants the same things (And when I do inadvertently slip into that way of thinking, I don't mind correction.)

TaSheen · August 17

I will "talk about ideas" which may be things I'm interested in. More flash and dazzle isn't one of them. And excuse me, but I wasn't "beating up" the OP.

It's a public forum. Anyone who posts ideas is going to find that not everyone is happy about the particular ones posted....

Pelanora · August 18

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

Pelanora wrote: »

Why can't people just talk about an idea instead of beating up the person who posted it.

I always find myself wondering why opinions which offers advice are interpreted in this way. Having a different opinion than someone else isn't an act of war. It's an opening for discussion, and an opportunity to become aware of how others might see certain phrases so that future communication can be improved upon.

I think it's always important to consider that certain likes, dislikes, and preferences are not universal. Presenting a concept as a player, to players, from a "marketing" perspective, using the kind of verbiage that corporations use, is generally not a good idea. Speaking for "everyone" isn't going to win you any favors on a forum which is all about expressing opinions and discussing the merits and detriments of certain ideas.

My experience on these forums has made me realize that there is a wide variety of player types, and ways to play. While it is impossible to account for every single nuance, I find it best, when making my own posts, to avoid assuming that everyone plays like me or wants the same things (And when I do inadvertently slip into that way of thinking, I don't mind correction.)

Still not talking about the idea but complaining about how it was presented and what the person did to present it.

Amottica · August 20

First, these avatar visions can be one thing when they are used in a vacuum. When added to the base game so they can be used anywhere, well they will become different. It is called balancing and we know how often Zenimax changes things for "balance"

In other words, such an idea might not be as one might en-vision it to be.

Jaimeh · August 20

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I’ve never actually got all 3 of the avatar visions so I can’t relate.

There is a new quest giver in the IA and one of the rewards for finishing their daily quest is a mystery transformation verse that transforms you into a random avatar (without having to have a set of 3 visions).

katanagirl1 · August 20

Jaimeh wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

I’ve never actually got all 3 of the avatar visions so I can’t relate.

There is a new quest giver in the IA and one of the rewards for finishing their daily quest is a mystery transformation verse that transforms you into a random avatar (without having to have a set of 3 visions).

Hmm, I’ll have to check that out when it comes to console. Thanks.

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