What's the downside? A lot of the mythics that boost damage have a "but" condition, such as Velothi's "Crit Damage increase 10% bur LA/HA damage reduced by 99%" or Sithis which adds health and armor but relegates your block mitigation to zero or Malacath which increases damage by 16% but decreases your crit damage by 50%. I would presume most players would agree that a 6th skill would be a huge advantage, especially in PVP.

I know you say that "damage skills" would be excluded, but that would not matter. Another slot WILL open up a spot for an additional damage skill in the original 5 slots.

For example, on an Oakensorc, that would be a massive improvement to either damage or shields as they can have that and their pet in the 6th slot. Or another heal or shield on a DK. And another skill on a nightblade's bar? LOL. I can hear the hollering from Cyrodiil now.

@El_Borracho
The downside is the cost.
Most abilities have a cost based on what they are.
Lets say you slot Dark Cloak there. Your max magicka would be reduced by 3000. You'd have minor protection at all times, and you'd gain the healing over time for 3-5 seconds (dependent on passive) once every duration (dependent on mag cost and recovery) Let's say 1.5k recovery. Once every 4 seconds it can refresh. When it refreshes it may auto cast, consuming magicka.
It only refreshes when injured.

Most Ultimates would have reduced effect. Shield Ult is block at no cost and get to do combat, but as this it wouldn't be able to do that and would reduce your ultimate generation by 1, or cause block to cost an ult point to have no cost. In the former, it would be 33%-75%. I'm thinking 66%.
Spell wall would consume an ult point to reflect a blocked projectile.
Shield Discipline would make the next non-ultimate S&B ability used within 3 seconds of successfully blocking a free to cast.

Transformations and damage abilities wouldn't really be usable, or would become broken in this spot.

Some abilities may have many versions to be slotted here:
Flare, Expert Hunter, Magelight. These would have a free version for purely their slotted effects, and their insane cost version to grant most of their effects at all times.
Costly Flare would drop a flare on roll dodge.
Costly Magelight and Hunter would have the detection radius. Evil Hunter would not grant the full damage bonus, if at all. Otherwise it will increase the cost of the ability affected by it if it does grant a higher bonus. 10% tops passive bonus, up to 25% if increases the cost of the affected ability.

If you want specific possibilities, ask me some specific abilities, how they might function like this.

I think Oakensoul is still much more powerful than that though.
13 buffs locking to one bar rather than 2 buffs at a resource reduction. See what I mean?

Yeah considering Dks used to be able to reflect up to 6 projectiles for 6 seconds and that was considered overpowered to spam it - I just don't see the downside at all here. I will happily slot Spell Wall and take having zero damage done to me while hitting my opponent with between 2 and 4 additional attacks each dealing 3-5k damage for free every single time they attack me. It means maxmag sorcs would once again be relegated to the trash bin.

It's an interesting idea but the biggest issue with it isn't even just the fact that off the cuff some skills would be outright godmode. It's the mere fact that it would require a massive overhaul of a variety of systems on the backend as well as performing a bespoked pass on every single skill in the game and then hardcode custom rules for each that would fundamentally make each function in a different capacity than the tooltip otherwise states. Long-story-short. It would be time consuming, expensive, strain the servers even further than they already are, and cause a variety of bugs and exploits. All for a single mythic. The requirements for this to work are the sorts of things that fundamentally demand a change both in the code as well as in the design principles of the game's combat system so coming in with it after ten years is a hard ask.

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Sluggy wrote: »

It's an interesting idea but the biggest issue with it isn't even just the fact that off the cuff some skills would be outright godmode. It's the mere fact that it would require a massive overhaul of a variety of systems on the backend as well as performing a bespoked pass on every single skill in the game and then hardcode custom rules for each that would fundamentally make each function in a different capacity than the tooltip otherwise states. Long-story-short. It would be time consuming, expensive, strain the servers even further than they already are, and cause a variety of bugs and exploits. All for a single mythic. The requirements for this to work are the sorts of things that fundamentally demand a change both in the code as well as in the design principles of the game's combat system so coming in with it after ten years is a hard ask.

based on the recent posts of the OP, this is at least the 3rd "new mythic suggestion" post ive seen, and they all related to preventing death in pvp

Yes, OP posts very often in the Combat section. They are always attempting to bring in new ideas that shake up the status quo of ESO. That avenue of thought bares a double edge though. People so very much want ESO to be the game that fills a certain slot in their gaming life– wanting it to be the best MMO/RPG for some specific desire. But constant wishing will make the game seem less and less complete to the image the player is desiring.

Regardless of who it's sourced from or even how sound the idea is, ESO will simply continue to do things the way they want things done. Most ideas from any one individual are likely not going to even be considered. And even, most often, near-unanimous ideas from a horde of players is not going to sway the direction of ESO either if it rubs against what the developers want. Shaking up the status quo is unlikely to happen at the suggestion of players rather than the devs.
OP, I've seen you posting ideas in here for months. I take break from the forums and maybe you do too, in which case I could be overestimating how often the suggestions are. But I hope ESO is still fun for you even without all of the mythics, sets, and skills you're wanting to be added.

Malyore wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Sluggy wrote: »

It's an interesting idea but the biggest issue with it isn't even just the fact that off the cuff some skills would be outright godmode. It's the mere fact that it would require a massive overhaul of a variety of systems on the backend as well as performing a bespoked pass on every single skill in the game and then hardcode custom rules for each that would fundamentally make each function in a different capacity than the tooltip otherwise states. Long-story-short. It would be time consuming, expensive, strain the servers even further than they already are, and cause a variety of bugs and exploits. All for a single mythic. The requirements for this to work are the sorts of things that fundamentally demand a change both in the code as well as in the design principles of the game's combat system so coming in with it after ten years is a hard ask.

based on the recent posts of the OP, this is at least the 3rd "new mythic suggestion" post ive seen, and they all related to preventing death in pvp

Yes, OP posts very often in the Combat section. They are always attempting to bring in new ideas that shake up the status quo of ESO. That avenue of thought bares a double edge though. People so very much want ESO to be the game that fills a certain slot in their gaming life– wanting it to be the best MMO/RPG for some specific desire. But constant wishing will make the game seem less and less complete to the image the player is desiring.

Regardless of who it's sourced from or even how sound the idea is, ESO will simply continue to do things the way they want things done. Most ideas from any one individual are likely not going to even be considered. And even, most often, near-unanimous ideas from a horde of players is not going to sway the direction of ESO either if it rubs against what the developers want. Shaking up the status quo is unlikely to happen at the suggestion of players rather than the devs.
OP, I've seen you posting ideas in here for months. I take break from the forums and maybe you do too, in which case I could be overestimating how often the suggestions are. But I hope ESO is still fun for you even without all of the mythics, sets, and skills you're wanting to be added.

Yes. PvP not so much, but ESO in general is fun.
I just wish people would stop attacking me while I'm doing my dailies in IC. Especially when I have my XP scroll active from a previous session.
If there was a non-PvP IC server, even if it did not give tel vars, I'd quest there instead. But, it has been mentioned that they will never do that, so I make random ideas to help they who cannot meta survive all the half metas.

KaironBlackbard wrote: »

They've done similar things before, this shouldn't be that hard.

As a programmer, hearing this phrase never loses its novelty to me

Again, it sounds like a neat idea. But fundamentally you have to consider they just finished scribing - which probably took at least a couple of years to implement. You're asking for a similar amount of work just to implement a single item. There's no way that's going to fly with management - They don't care how neat an idea is or is not.

Then again, if it would reduce your resource to negative numbers, it shouldn't let it get slotted.