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If Vampire is losing 20% Damage Mitigation they should be buffed in other aspects to compensate.
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Good_VS_Evil✭✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »As if the skill-line/players werent welcome enough, this is the final nail in the coffin.
From 30% to 10%, there is now no real reason to want to play as a Vampire aside from Lore Lovers/Die Hard Fans of Vampires.
I could understand this nerf if SOMETHING was added/given in return but as it stands now this is just a NET NEGATIVE for Vampire Players. Atleast give something unique to Vampirism Stage 4, atleast MAKE wanting to be Stage 4 special in some regard due to the nature of the effects...As it stands now, its like the skill-line has 0 identity and reasoning for being in the game other than "oh well vampires are in the other games so here ya go".
This change does nothing but HURT what little vampire players there are for seemingly no reason at all.
Vampire all stages get the damage reduction so no more needing to get stage three. Simply stay stage 1.
Thats not the issue, the issue is that the damage reduction you get is now MAX 10% instead of MAX 30%...they have taken away 20% of the passives damage mitigation. Losing 20% is ALOT.
Exactly. You should be losing a lot of mitigation, 30% is way too much.
Which is why I said I am fine with it as long as Vampire could be buffed in other areas, as it stands now this nerf only hurts all vampire players even though its sole purpose is directed towards PvP Vampires.
Which is weird when they could have just made the skill numbers max out lower in PvP settings.
Will you stop commenting that this is only for PvPers in every thread?
Up to 30% mitigation is ridiculous to have on a passive in any content. PvE or PvP.
The search bar is in the top right and the evidence speaks for itself.0 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Good_VS_Evil wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »As if the skill-line/players werent welcome enough, this is the final nail in the coffin.
From 30% to 10%, there is now no real reason to want to play as a Vampire aside from Lore Lovers/Die Hard Fans of Vampires.
I could understand this nerf if SOMETHING was added/given in return but as it stands now this is just a NET NEGATIVE for Vampire Players. Atleast give something unique to Vampirism Stage 4, atleast MAKE wanting to be Stage 4 special in some regard due to the nature of the effects...As it stands now, its like the skill-line has 0 identity and reasoning for being in the game other than "oh well vampires are in the other games so here ya go".
This change does nothing but HURT what little vampire players there are for seemingly no reason at all.
Vampire all stages get the damage reduction so no more needing to get stage three. Simply stay stage 1.
Thats not the issue, the issue is that the damage reduction you get is now MAX 10% instead of MAX 30%...they have taken away 20% of the passives damage mitigation. Losing 20% is ALOT.
Exactly. You should be losing a lot of mitigation, 30% is way too much.
Which is why I said I am fine with it as long as Vampire could be buffed in other areas, as it stands now this nerf only hurts all vampire players even though its sole purpose is directed towards PvP Vampires.
Which is weird when they could have just made the skill numbers max out lower in PvP settings.
Will you stop commenting that this is only for PvPers in every thread?
Up to 30% mitigation is ridiculous to have on a passive in any content. PvE or PvP.
The search bar is in the top right and the evidence speaks for itself.
I hear ya but this problem (Vampires universal in PvP, non-existent in PvE) somewhat resulted from changing a variable in PvP but not PvE: HP Regen.
There was some logic out there that it should be subject to the same Penalty in PvP as Healing, thing is, in the overall mechanical system, HP Regen was an alternative to Mag and Stam Regen, not Healing.
Just for more historical background on this issue. Besides unintended consequences with making a change to a variable - or Build Element - within one mode and not the other, there's long been an apparent design goal to let players move between content with little change to the function of their character.
But, to CameraBeard's point, PvE Monsters don't have forum accounts. Undeath was probably OP there too but your opponents can't express themselves.Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast6 -
Good_VS_Evil✭✭Urzigurumash wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »As if the skill-line/players werent welcome enough, this is the final nail in the coffin.
From 30% to 10%, there is now no real reason to want to play as a Vampire aside from Lore Lovers/Die Hard Fans of Vampires.
I could understand this nerf if SOMETHING was added/given in return but as it stands now this is just a NET NEGATIVE for Vampire Players. Atleast give something unique to Vampirism Stage 4, atleast MAKE wanting to be Stage 4 special in some regard due to the nature of the effects...As it stands now, its like the skill-line has 0 identity and reasoning for being in the game other than "oh well vampires are in the other games so here ya go".
This change does nothing but HURT what little vampire players there are for seemingly no reason at all.
Vampire all stages get the damage reduction so no more needing to get stage three. Simply stay stage 1.
Thats not the issue, the issue is that the damage reduction you get is now MAX 10% instead of MAX 30%...they have taken away 20% of the passives damage mitigation. Losing 20% is ALOT.
Exactly. You should be losing a lot of mitigation, 30% is way too much.
Which is why I said I am fine with it as long as Vampire could be buffed in other areas, as it stands now this nerf only hurts all vampire players even though its sole purpose is directed towards PvP Vampires.
Which is weird when they could have just made the skill numbers max out lower in PvP settings.
Will you stop commenting that this is only for PvPers in every thread?
Up to 30% mitigation is ridiculous to have on a passive in any content. PvE or PvP.
The search bar is in the top right and the evidence speaks for itself.
I hear ya but this problem (Vampires universal in PvP, non-existent in PvE) somewhat resulted from changing a variable in PvP but not PvE: HP Regen.
There was some logic out there that it should be subject to the same Penalty in PvP as Healing, thing is, in the overall mechanical system, HP Regen was an alternative to Mag and Stam Regen, not Healing.
Just for more historical background on this issue. Besides unintended consequences with making a change to a variable - or Build Element - within one mode and not the other, there's long been an apparent design goal to let players move between content with little change to the function of their character.
But, to CameraBeard's point, PvE Monsters don't have forum accounts. Undeath was probably OP there too but your opponents can't express themselves.
My solution would be a system like "Battle Spirit" from Cyrodil PvP be added to Battlegrounds and the like. Only this system affects Damage Mitigation Caps as well as other factors OR alternatively redistributing the 20% vampires will lose into stats that make it worthwhile to be at Stage 2/3/4 now since the previous incentive of "Undeath" is being taken away with no alternative being given.0 -
ESO_player123✭✭✭✭✭
✭CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »As if the skill-line/players werent welcome enough, this is the final nail in the coffin.
From 30% to 10%, there is now no real reason to want to play as a Vampire aside from Lore Lovers/Die Hard Fans of Vampires.
I could understand this nerf if SOMETHING was added/given in return but as it stands now this is just a NET NEGATIVE for Vampire Players. Atleast give something unique to Vampirism Stage 4, atleast MAKE wanting to be Stage 4 special in some regard due to the nature of the effects...As it stands now, its like the skill-line has 0 identity and reasoning for being in the game other than "oh well vampires are in the other games so here ya go".
This change does nothing but HURT what little vampire players there are for seemingly no reason at all.
Vampire all stages get the damage reduction so no more needing to get stage three. Simply stay stage 1.
Thats not the issue, the issue is that the damage reduction you get is now MAX 10% instead of MAX 30%...they have taken away 20% of the passives damage mitigation. Losing 20% is ALOT.
Exactly. You should be losing a lot of mitigation, 30% is way too much.
Which is why I said I am fine with it as long as Vampire could be buffed in other areas, as it stands now this nerf only hurts all vampire players even though its sole purpose is directed towards PvP Vampires.
Which is weird when they could have just made the skill numbers max out lower in PvP settings.
Will you stop commenting that this is only for PvPers in every thread?
Up to 30% mitigation is ridiculous to have on a passive in any content. PvE or PvP.
To be fair, it looks like all the complaints about this issue were from PvPers. I have yet to see a thread saying "You know, vampires are OP in PvE".4 -
Zyaneth_Bal✭✭✭
That’s because they were but blood for blood, frenzy and even mistform were already either nerfed or changed long ago. In Greymoor vampire was genuinely broken op in pveESO_player123 wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »As if the skill-line/players werent welcome enough, this is the final nail in the coffin.
From 30% to 10%, there is now no real reason to want to play as a Vampire aside from Lore Lovers/Die Hard Fans of Vampires.
I could understand this nerf if SOMETHING was added/given in return but as it stands now this is just a NET NEGATIVE for Vampire Players. Atleast give something unique to Vampirism Stage 4, atleast MAKE wanting to be Stage 4 special in some regard due to the nature of the effects...As it stands now, its like the skill-line has 0 identity and reasoning for being in the game other than "oh well vampires are in the other games so here ya go".
This change does nothing but HURT what little vampire players there are for seemingly no reason at all.
Vampire all stages get the damage reduction so no more needing to get stage three. Simply stay stage 1.
Thats not the issue, the issue is that the damage reduction you get is now MAX 10% instead of MAX 30%...they have taken away 20% of the passives damage mitigation. Losing 20% is ALOT.
Exactly. You should be losing a lot of mitigation, 30% is way too much.
Which is why I said I am fine with it as long as Vampire could be buffed in other areas, as it stands now this nerf only hurts all vampire players even though its sole purpose is directed towards PvP Vampires.
Which is weird when they could have just made the skill numbers max out lower in PvP settings.
Will you stop commenting that this is only for PvPers in every thread?
Up to 30% mitigation is ridiculous to have on a passive in any content. PvE or PvP.
To be fair, it looks like all the complaints about this issue were from PvPers. I have yet to see a thread saying "You know, vampires are OP in PvE".
mb not very relevant but so are most commentsEdited by Zyaneth_Bal on 11 July 2024 01:151 -
ESO_player123✭✭✭✭✭
✭Zyaneth_Bal wrote: »
That’s because they were but blood for blood, frenzy and even mistform were already either nerfed or changed long ago. In Greymoor vampire was genuinely broken op in pveESO_player123 wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »As if the skill-line/players werent welcome enough, this is the final nail in the coffin.
From 30% to 10%, there is now no real reason to want to play as a Vampire aside from Lore Lovers/Die Hard Fans of Vampires.
I could understand this nerf if SOMETHING was added/given in return but as it stands now this is just a NET NEGATIVE for Vampire Players. Atleast give something unique to Vampirism Stage 4, atleast MAKE wanting to be Stage 4 special in some regard due to the nature of the effects...As it stands now, its like the skill-line has 0 identity and reasoning for being in the game other than "oh well vampires are in the other games so here ya go".
This change does nothing but HURT what little vampire players there are for seemingly no reason at all.
Vampire all stages get the damage reduction so no more needing to get stage three. Simply stay stage 1.
Thats not the issue, the issue is that the damage reduction you get is now MAX 10% instead of MAX 30%...they have taken away 20% of the passives damage mitigation. Losing 20% is ALOT.
Exactly. You should be losing a lot of mitigation, 30% is way too much.
Which is why I said I am fine with it as long as Vampire could be buffed in other areas, as it stands now this nerf only hurts all vampire players even though its sole purpose is directed towards PvP Vampires.
Which is weird when they could have just made the skill numbers max out lower in PvP settings.
Will you stop commenting that this is only for PvPers in every thread?
Up to 30% mitigation is ridiculous to have on a passive in any content. PvE or PvP.
To be fair, it looks like all the complaints about this issue were from PvPers. I have yet to see a thread saying "You know, vampires are OP in PvE".
mb not very relevant but so are most comments
May be, but I was responding to the comment that the current change is not for PvPers only. It is.0 -
CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_player123 wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »As if the skill-line/players werent welcome enough, this is the final nail in the coffin.
From 30% to 10%, there is now no real reason to want to play as a Vampire aside from Lore Lovers/Die Hard Fans of Vampires.
I could understand this nerf if SOMETHING was added/given in return but as it stands now this is just a NET NEGATIVE for Vampire Players. Atleast give something unique to Vampirism Stage 4, atleast MAKE wanting to be Stage 4 special in some regard due to the nature of the effects...As it stands now, its like the skill-line has 0 identity and reasoning for being in the game other than "oh well vampires are in the other games so here ya go".
This change does nothing but HURT what little vampire players there are for seemingly no reason at all.
Vampire all stages get the damage reduction so no more needing to get stage three. Simply stay stage 1.
Thats not the issue, the issue is that the damage reduction you get is now MAX 10% instead of MAX 30%...they have taken away 20% of the passives damage mitigation. Losing 20% is ALOT.
Exactly. You should be losing a lot of mitigation, 30% is way too much.
Which is why I said I am fine with it as long as Vampire could be buffed in other areas, as it stands now this nerf only hurts all vampire players even though its sole purpose is directed towards PvP Vampires.
Which is weird when they could have just made the skill numbers max out lower in PvP settings.
Will you stop commenting that this is only for PvPers in every thread?
Up to 30% mitigation is ridiculous to have on a passive in any content. PvE or PvP.
To be fair, it looks like all the complaints about this issue were from PvPers. I have yet to see a thread saying "You know, vampires are OP in PvE".
Yah, because no one is going to complain about surviving stuff they shouldn't in PvE. That doesn't mean it's not too powerful there too.Edited by CameraBeardThePirate on 11 July 2024 14:051 -
master_vanargand✭✭✭✭✭
✭I used Vampire when I did the RTA of veteran Vateshran Hollows in PvE.
"Blood Mist" in Solo PvE is great, and can ignore the gimmick of the last stage.
Also, after activating "Blood Frenzy" on the back bar, you can return it to the main bar and equip "Oakensoul Ring" to maintain this buff.
"Eviscerate" is a strong spam skill for gank.
"Vampiric Drain" allows you to build up player ultimate quickly, but it can be ever hard to take advantage.
"Mesmerize", this is terrible.
"Swarming Scion" is one of the best ultimate in PvP.0 -
MEBengalsFan2001✭✭✭✭✭Good_VS_Evil wrote: »MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »Good_VS_Evil wrote: »As if the skill-line/players werent welcome enough, this is the final nail in the coffin.
From 30% to 10%, there is now no real reason to want to play as a Vampire aside from Lore Lovers/Die Hard Fans of Vampires.
I could understand this nerf if SOMETHING was added/given in return but as it stands now this is just a NET NEGATIVE for Vampire Players. Atleast give something unique to Vampirism Stage 4, atleast MAKE wanting to be Stage 4 special in some regard due to the nature of the effects...As it stands now, its like the skill-line has 0 identity and reasoning for being in the game other than "oh well vampires are in the other games so here ya go".
This change does nothing but HURT what little vampire players there are for seemingly no reason at all.
Vampire all stages get the damage reduction so no more needing to get stage three. Simply stay stage 1.
Thats not the issue, the issue is that the damage reduction you get is now MAX 10% instead of MAX 30%...they have taken away 20% of the passives damage mitigation. Losing 20% is ALOT.
I would be fine with the 30% coming back only when the game time is night and during the daylight vampire take 30% more damage from all attacks.
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