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Is the Queen Ayrenn really bad? [Question] *SPOILER ALERT*
MRizk21
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Hello everybody,
I am still level 25 in Almeri Dominion, and heard from the traitor "Prince Naemon" on twitter that Queen Ayrenn will turn bad in the end. I am in for spoilers because I did not join the game for the lore anyways, I joined it for the after level 50 content and to be with friends.
Note: To those who do not want to ruin their game, do not continue reading past this line
I am still level 25 in Almeri Dominion, and heard from the traitor "Prince Naemon" on twitter that Queen Ayrenn will turn bad in the end. I am in for spoilers because I did not join the game for the lore anyways, I joined it for the after level 50 content and to be with friends.
Note: To those who do not want to ruin their game, do not continue reading past this line
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Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nope she does not.
I wont enter in the merits of good and bad , but lets say she keep being the same "good" ruler she was from second one , she wont betray you , tell others to kill you ... nothing like that at all.
I wonder what made people tell you that."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
-Hanlon's razor0 -
Naemon was 'bad guy' in your view, but in his and Veiled Heritances View he was good guy.
This one thinks you should walk using that one's paws once in awhile.Astaria DødfurstinnaOfficial Hunter Community Lead DAOC(Pendragon Beta through Catacombs release)Look at this but dont QQ: http://pcpartpicker.com/b/hfxYcf0 -
achenne✭Is Naemon actually "bad"? It seems he didn't know all this s**t about Heritance, he wasn't a part of it, he just had some family issues... well, he just didn't want to be Queen's *shade* (such a pun, yeah, such a pun).0 -
ArgonianAssassin✭✭✭✭Well we obviously know that down the line the entirety of the Thalmor take up the stance of the veiled heritance, the Thalmor of Skyrim are just a jacked up Veiled Heritance that's already convinced the general Altmer peoples view and are now working their way up to purify the rest of the world, and we already know that some Altmer aren't very fond of the Bosmer or Khajiit even during this time, I would not put it past Queen Ayrenn to sow the seeds of the future Thalmor, maybe something goes bad after the 3 flags war within the dominion, it's obvious the Altmer and Khajiit don't quite respect the Green Pact, and the Altmer view Khajiit as little more than beasts of burden, I think I even recall a Dunmer, or was it an Argonian, referring to the Dominion faction as the worse kinds of slavers, and the Bosmer/Khajiiti as the worse kinds of slaves, willing and able to spill blood on the battle field, and then happy to thank their Altmer overlords for the opportunity, in fact I believe it was the Argonian in the Graymire who say this."It is okay to fear the night, even the bravest warriors are filled with fright, at the sight of the might of Sithis' fang, let the blood be washed away by the rain, let the stains forever remain, another life taken in Sithis' name, another soul for the void. All hail our Dread Father and his consort, the Night Mother." -Stalks-His-Prey0 -
Stabbina✭✭✭It all depends on what your definition is of 'good' or 'bad'.
To illustrate:- My Khajiit Templar is a hero of the Aldmeri Dominion because of his success in saveguarding Queen Ayren.
- My Dunmer Sorcerer would be an Ebonheart Pact hero if he was able to kill Queen Ayren.
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ArgonianAssassin✭✭✭✭
I think we can agree xenophobia, racism and genocide are bad things, and this is what we -know- the Thalmor will bring.It all depends on what your definition is of 'good' or 'bad'.
To illustrate:- My Khajiit Templar is a hero of the Aldmeri Dominion because of his success in saveguarding Queen Ayren.
- My Dunmer Sorcerer would be an Ebonheart Pact hero if he was able to kill Queen Ayren.
"It is okay to fear the night, even the bravest warriors are filled with fright, at the sight of the might of Sithis' fang, let the blood be washed away by the rain, let the stains forever remain, another life taken in Sithis' name, another soul for the void. All hail our Dread Father and his consort, the Night Mother." -Stalks-His-Prey1 -
GeeYouWhy✭✭✭If you mean bad as in incompetent then yes as her administration is full of traitors at every turn. If you mean bad as in evil, that is a relative question. When I played Skyrim I viewed all high elves as evil.Konrandir, Vampire Sorcerer1
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Skyrim is thousand years ahead, yes Thalmor in Skyrim draws inspiration from Thalmor in the second area the same way *** draw inspiration from various medieval organisations like knight templars.ArgonianAssassin wrote: »Well we obviously know that down the line the entirety of the Thalmor take up the stance of the veiled heritance, the Thalmor of Skyrim are just a jacked up Veiled Heritance that's already convinced the general Altmer peoples view and are now working their way up to purify the rest of the world, and we already know that some Altmer aren't very fond of the Bosmer or Khajiit even during this time, I would not put it past Queen Ayrenn to sow the seeds of the future Thalmor, maybe something goes bad after the 3 flags war within the dominion, it's obvious the Altmer and Khajiit don't quite respect the Green Pact, and the Altmer view Khajiit as little more than beasts of burden, I think I even recall a Dunmer, or was it an Argonian, referring to the Dominion faction as the worse kinds of slavers, and the Bosmer/Khajiiti as the worse kinds of slaves, willing and able to spill blood on the battle field, and then happy to thank their Altmer overlords for the opportunity, in fact I believe it was the Argonian in the Graymire who say this.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
JosephChip✭✭✭No, she will always be good. While Neamon is revealed to possess a corrupt soul in the early stages of the game.0 -
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Skyrim is thousand years ahead, yes Thalmor in Skyrim draws inspiration from Thalmor in the second area the same way *** draw inspiration from various medieval organisations like knight templars.ArgonianAssassin wrote: »Well we obviously know that down the line the entirety of the Thalmor take up the stance of the veiled heritance, the Thalmor of Skyrim are just a jacked up Veiled Heritance that's already convinced the general Altmer peoples view and are now working their way up to purify the rest of the world, and we already know that some Altmer aren't very fond of the Bosmer or Khajiit even during this time, I would not put it past Queen Ayrenn to sow the seeds of the future Thalmor, maybe something goes bad after the 3 flags war within the dominion, it's obvious the Altmer and Khajiit don't quite respect the Green Pact, and the Altmer view Khajiit as little more than beasts of burden, I think I even recall a Dunmer, or was it an Argonian, referring to the Dominion faction as the worse kinds of slavers, and the Bosmer/Khajiiti as the worse kinds of slaves, willing and able to spill blood on the battle field, and then happy to thank their Altmer overlords for the opportunity, in fact I believe it was the Argonian in the Graymire who say this.
Did you really just compare the ***'s and the crusades? If anything the Skyrim Thalmor draw more inspiration from The Veiled Heritance, and that's what I was getting at, the veil never truly falls."It is okay to fear the night, even the bravest warriors are filled with fright, at the sight of the might of Sithis' fang, let the blood be washed away by the rain, let the stains forever remain, another life taken in Sithis' name, another soul for the void. All hail our Dread Father and his consort, the Night Mother." -Stalks-His-Prey0 -
poochie✭✭✭I actually brought Estre* back from that quest in Cold Harbour because she was just misguided and not a necromancer like the other 2...I'd like to see Ayrenn and Estre* meet up again and Ayrenn have a big WTF PLAYER moment. If she kills Estre* then we know she's a bad girl...0
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xxslam48xxb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭You find out queen ayrenn is evil when you play through ebonhearts quests. You cant tell me what the AD attempted and partially succeeded in doing in shadowfen wasn't evil. I guess if you definition of good and evil is close to ***'s definition then you might not think so.
Ugh censoring a historic evil person from germany, really going to censor something that humanity should never forget zeni?Edited by xxslam48xxb14_ESO on 10 May 2014 14:12I wrote a poem that I titled, "The ganker's delight."
As you lay upon the ground, cry not little pawn.
The pain will pass as quickly as my blade did take you,
but my delight will last and you will respawn.
My heart simply cannot contain my joy, when I ply my trade.
The fault lies with you, your skill was lacking.
Now your salt is mine forever, can't you hear the laughing?
Once you were so proud and now you are reduced to this.
A miserable, loud deuced fool.
With every tear you drip, with every excuse you let slip.
All of your insecurities and worries bring a smile to my lip.
From your despair I have ripped endless glories,
but our affair is over now. Be afraid for I will return for more.
I have received many titles, to my allies I am The sniper Emperor and Grand champion hero of the Pact. However these titles mean little to me, it is the ones given to me by my victims that I prefer. To them I am "Xv1er", "trash", "no balls", "zerger", "noob", "cringe", "no skill", "camper", "100% new", "the reason this game is dying", "pathetic", "a sack of piece of [snip]", "mediocre", "absolute inbred", "beyond a virgin", "ganky dork", "fat smelly 40yr old virgin", "little girl", "daddy", "exploiting loser", and every [snipped] word known to man.2 -
JosephChip✭✭✭xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »You find out queen ayrenn is evil when you play through ebonhearts quests. You cant tell me what the AD attempted and partially succeeded in doing in shadowfen wasn't evil. I guess if you definition of good and evil is close to ***'s definition then you might not think so.
Ugh censoring a historic evil person from germany, really going to censor something that humanity should never forget zeni?
AD agents = /= Queen Ayrenn.
She probably wasn't even aware of their specific actions in that far away land.
A Queen isn't an hive-mind that controls everything.
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Falmer✭✭✭✭xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »You find out queen ayrenn is evil when you play through ebonhearts quests. You cant tell me what the AD attempted and partially succeeded in doing in shadowfen wasn't evil. I guess if you definition of good and evil is close to ***'s definition then you might not think so.
Ugh censoring a historic evil person from germany, really going to censor something that humanity should never forget zeni?
Well, if what an entire faction does defines the leader, then every single leader of every faction of the game is a evil dictator bent on destruction of all life.0 -
Zershar_Vemod✭✭✭✭✭Hello everybody,
I am still level 25 in Almeri Dominion, and heard from the traitor "Prince Naemon" on twitter that Queen Ayrenn will turn bad in the end. I am in for spoilers because I did not join the game for the lore anyways, I joined it for the after level 50 content and to be with friends.
Note: To those who do not want to ruin their game, do not continue reading past this line
You're doing it wrong then.
And no, she is not "evil"House Nyssara (NA)
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