Is the Queen Ayrenn really bad? [Question] *SPOILER ALERT*

MRizk21

Hello everybody,

I am still level 25 in Almeri Dominion, and heard from the traitor "Prince Naemon" on twitter that Queen Ayrenn will turn bad in the end. I am in for spoilers because I did not join the game for the lore anyways, I joined it for the after level 50 content and to be with friends.

Note: To those who do not want to ruin their game, do not continue reading past this line

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Willow

Change your thread title as the question itself is a spoiler alert.

MRizk21

Willow wrote: »

Change your thread title as the question itself is a spoiler alert.

Not really, I personally don't know if she will be bad or not. I am asking, I still did not go deep in ESO.

Nox_Aeterna

Nope she does not.

I wont enter in the merits of good and bad , but lets say she keep being the same "good" ruler she was from second one , she wont betray you , tell others to kill you ... nothing like that at all.

I wonder what made people tell you that.

The_Death_Princess

Naemon was 'bad guy' in your view, but in his and Veiled Heritances View he was good guy.

This one thinks you should walk using that one's paws once in awhile.

achenne

Is Naemon actually "bad"? It seems he didn't know all this s**t about Heritance, he wasn't a part of it, he just had some family issues... well, he just didn't want to be Queen's *shade* (such a pun, yeah, such a pun).

ArgonianAssassin

Well we obviously know that down the line the entirety of the Thalmor take up the stance of the veiled heritance, the Thalmor of Skyrim are just a jacked up Veiled Heritance that's already convinced the general Altmer peoples view and are now working their way up to purify the rest of the world, and we already know that some Altmer aren't very fond of the Bosmer or Khajiit even during this time, I would not put it past Queen Ayrenn to sow the seeds of the future Thalmor, maybe something goes bad after the 3 flags war within the dominion, it's obvious the Altmer and Khajiit don't quite respect the Green Pact, and the Altmer view Khajiit as little more than beasts of burden, I think I even recall a Dunmer, or was it an Argonian, referring to the Dominion faction as the worse kinds of slavers, and the Bosmer/Khajiiti as the worse kinds of slaves, willing and able to spill blood on the battle field, and then happy to thank their Altmer overlords for the opportunity, in fact I believe it was the Argonian in the Graymire who say this.

Stabbina

It all depends on what your definition is of 'good' or 'bad'.
To illustrate:

• My Khajiit Templar is a hero of the Aldmeri Dominion because of his success in saveguarding Queen Ayren.
• My Dunmer Sorcerer would be an Ebonheart Pact hero if he was able to kill Queen Ayren.

Is my Khajiit good or bad? What about my Dunmer?

ArgonianAssassin

Stabbina wrote: »

It all depends on what your definition is of 'good' or 'bad'.
To illustrate:

• My Khajiit Templar is a hero of the Aldmeri Dominion because of his success in saveguarding Queen Ayren.
• My Dunmer Sorcerer would be an Ebonheart Pact hero if he was able to kill Queen Ayren.

Is my Khajiit good or bad? What about my Dunmer?

I think we can agree xenophobia, racism and genocide are bad things, and this is what we -know- the Thalmor will bring.

GeeYouWhy

If you mean bad as in incompetent then yes as her administration is full of traitors at every turn. If you mean bad as in evil, that is a relative question. When I played Skyrim I viewed all high elves as evil.

achenne

GeeYouWhy wrote: »

When I played Skyrim I viewed all high elves as evil.

eh, well, what about let's say Calcelmo and Aicantar? Faralda? Legate Fassendil? Thalmor = / = Altmer and moreover ESO Thalmor = / = Skyrim Thalmor

zaria

ArgonianAssassin wrote: »

Well we obviously know that down the line the entirety of the Thalmor take up the stance of the veiled heritance, the Thalmor of Skyrim are just a jacked up Veiled Heritance that's already convinced the general Altmer peoples view and are now working their way up to purify the rest of the world, and we already know that some Altmer aren't very fond of the Bosmer or Khajiit even during this time, I would not put it past Queen Ayrenn to sow the seeds of the future Thalmor, maybe something goes bad after the 3 flags war within the dominion, it's obvious the Altmer and Khajiit don't quite respect the Green Pact, and the Altmer view Khajiit as little more than beasts of burden, I think I even recall a Dunmer, or was it an Argonian, referring to the Dominion faction as the worse kinds of slavers, and the Bosmer/Khajiiti as the worse kinds of slaves, willing and able to spill blood on the battle field, and then happy to thank their Altmer overlords for the opportunity, in fact I believe it was the Argonian in the Graymire who say this.

Skyrim is thousand years ahead, yes Thalmor in Skyrim draws inspiration from Thalmor in the second area the same way *** draw inspiration from various medieval organisations like knight templars.

JosephChip

No, she will always be good. While Neamon is revealed to possess a corrupt soul in the early stages of the game.

ArgonianAssassin

zaria wrote: »

ArgonianAssassin wrote: »

Well we obviously know that down the line the entirety of the Thalmor take up the stance of the veiled heritance, the Thalmor of Skyrim are just a jacked up Veiled Heritance that's already convinced the general Altmer peoples view and are now working their way up to purify the rest of the world, and we already know that some Altmer aren't very fond of the Bosmer or Khajiit even during this time, I would not put it past Queen Ayrenn to sow the seeds of the future Thalmor, maybe something goes bad after the 3 flags war within the dominion, it's obvious the Altmer and Khajiit don't quite respect the Green Pact, and the Altmer view Khajiit as little more than beasts of burden, I think I even recall a Dunmer, or was it an Argonian, referring to the Dominion faction as the worse kinds of slavers, and the Bosmer/Khajiiti as the worse kinds of slaves, willing and able to spill blood on the battle field, and then happy to thank their Altmer overlords for the opportunity, in fact I believe it was the Argonian in the Graymire who say this.

Skyrim is thousand years ahead, yes Thalmor in Skyrim draws inspiration from Thalmor in the second area the same way *** draw inspiration from various medieval organisations like knight templars.

Did you really just compare the ***'s and the crusades? If anything the Skyrim Thalmor draw more inspiration from The Veiled Heritance, and that's what I was getting at, the veil never truly falls.

poochie

I actually brought Estre* back from that quest in Cold Harbour because she was just misguided and not a necromancer like the other 2...I'd like to see Ayrenn and Estre* meet up again and Ayrenn have a big WTF PLAYER moment. If she kills Estre* then we know she's a bad girl...

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

You find out queen ayrenn is evil when you play through ebonhearts quests. You cant tell me what the AD attempted and partially succeeded in doing in shadowfen wasn't evil. I guess if you definition of good and evil is close to ***'s definition then you might not think so.

Ugh censoring a historic evil person from germany, really going to censor something that humanity should never forget zeni?

JosephChip

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

You find out queen ayrenn is evil when you play through ebonhearts quests. You cant tell me what the AD attempted and partially succeeded in doing in shadowfen wasn't evil. I guess if you definition of good and evil is close to ***'s definition then you might not think so.

Ugh censoring a historic evil person from germany, really going to censor something that humanity should never forget zeni?

AD agents = /= Queen Ayrenn.
She probably wasn't even aware of their specific actions in that far away land.
A Queen isn't an hive-mind that controls everything.

Falmer

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

You find out queen ayrenn is evil when you play through ebonhearts quests. You cant tell me what the AD attempted and partially succeeded in doing in shadowfen wasn't evil. I guess if you definition of good and evil is close to ***'s definition then you might not think so.

Ugh censoring a historic evil person from germany, really going to censor something that humanity should never forget zeni?

Well, if what an entire faction does defines the leader, then every single leader of every faction of the game is a evil dictator bent on destruction of all life.

Zershar_Vemod

MRizk21 wrote: »

Hello everybody,

I am still level 25 in Almeri Dominion, and heard from the traitor "Prince Naemon" on twitter that Queen Ayrenn will turn bad in the end. I am in for spoilers because I did not join the game for the lore anyways, I joined it for the after level 50 content and to be with friends.

Note: To those who do not want to ruin their game, do not continue reading past this line

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You're doing it wrong then.

And no, she is not "evil"