hardened ward

xylena_lazarow · May 30

Dracane wrote: »

This was in response to Xylena counting Blood Craze as a healing skill

You vastly underestimate the power of HoT effects in PvP. You said you don't run Surge, that right there explains why you were having trouble. If my Blood Craze gets dodged, purged, or falls off, I'm no longer healing enough, because I minmax to take full advantage of its HoT effect in completing my defensive toolkit.

Turning the Ward burst into a HoT effect seems to be popular. What sort of HoT do you guys want though? If it's like Vigor, still disgustingly overpowered. If it's like Blood Craze, probably totally fine then.

Turtle_Bot · May 30

Definitely not vigor levels of healing, but imo blood craze might be too small (if it is staying as a 6 second HoT)

Probably a nice middle ground, but leaning towards blood craze, so it's slightly stronger (~10%) than blood craze (depending on the BC tooltip we are talking about), but it has to be re-applied every 6 seconds instead of once every 20 seconds.

Numbers can be ironed out, but that is where I am leaning for the HoT if it were to become that. Short duration so slightly more power than normal to make up for having to recast it so frequently, but not at vigor levels of power since vigor is a very strong HoT.

If it were to be a 10s HoT then I could see blood craze being the perfect spot for it.

Dracane · May 30

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

This was in response to Xylena counting Blood Craze as a healing skill

You vastly underestimate the power of HoT effects in PvP. You said you don't run Surge, that right there explains why you were having trouble. If my Blood Craze gets dodged, purged, or falls off, I'm no longer healing enough, because I minmax to take full advantage of its HoT effect in completing my defensive toolkit.

Turning the Ward burst into a HoT effect seems to be popular. What sort of HoT do you guys want though? If it's like Vigor, still disgustingly overpowered. If it's like Blood Craze, probably totally fine then.

If this is your take away, then you misunderstand. I do not say whether Blood Craze is a strong heal or a weak one. I say it's an offensive skill that just heals you on the side, and therefore I don't want to hear you putting it on the same level of sacrifice Vibrant Shroud would be, which deals no damage at all, and only heals.

This goes back to your argument yesterday, where you painted that very picture.

IncultaWolf · May 30

After doing a lot of testing and battlegrounds, I've changed my stance, I actually want hardened ward to stay the same, I still think it's overpowered and unbalanced, but I personally want to keep abusing it in pvp, and I want to win. When I play my magsorc, I don't die and I can nuke people from far away before they can touch me. I don't want people to have counterplay to my playstyle so please don't take away my op button.

SandandStars · May 31

IncultaWolf wrote: »

After doing a lot of testing and battlegrounds, I've changed my stance, I actually want hardened ward to stay the same, I still think it's overpowered and unbalanced, but I personally want to keep abusing it in pvp, and I want to win. When I play my magsorc, I don't die and I can nuke people from far away before they can touch me. I don't want people to have counterplay to my playstyle so please don't take away my op button.

so, what’s your real main?

StaticWave · May 31

IncultaWolf wrote: »

After doing a lot of testing and battlegrounds, I've changed my stance, I actually want hardened ward to stay the same, I still think it's overpowered and unbalanced, but I personally want to keep abusing it in pvp, and I want to win. When I play my magsorc, I don't die and I can nuke people from far away before they can touch me. I don't want people to have counterplay to my playstyle so please don't take away my op button.

I second this. One hard and whank a day keeps the NBs away

StaticWave · May 31

SandandStars wrote: »

IncultaWolf wrote: »

After doing a lot of testing and battlegrounds, I've changed my stance, I actually want hardened ward to stay the same, I still think it's overpowered and unbalanced, but I personally want to keep abusing it in pvp, and I want to win. When I play my magsorc, I don't die and I can nuke people from far away before they can touch me. I don't want people to have counterplay to my playstyle so please don't take away my op button.

so, what’s your real main?

he was a NB scum converted to magsorc chad. As a fellow sorc chad I welcome Sorc converters. We shall build a wizard army to exterminate these pesky NBs!

huskandhunger · May 31

we can all hold hands and become Sorc mains together 👌☺️✌️

IncultaWolf · May 31

StaticWave wrote: »

SandandStars wrote: »

IncultaWolf wrote: »

After doing a lot of testing and battlegrounds, I've changed my stance, I actually want hardened ward to stay the same, I still think it's overpowered and unbalanced, but I personally want to keep abusing it in pvp, and I want to win. When I play my magsorc, I don't die and I can nuke people from far away before they can touch me. I don't want people to have counterplay to my playstyle so please don't take away my op button.

so, what’s your real main?

he was a NB scum converted to magsorc chad. As a fellow sorc chad I welcome Sorc converters. We shall build a wizard army to exterminate these pesky NBs!

How could you forget that I am a necro main, I have just been mainly playing nb and sorc this patch because they are so braindead easy and OP. I seriously don't understand how people can go negative in bgs on those classes. When I play them I feel like I have cheat engine enabled

xylena_lazarow · May 31

IncultaWolf wrote: »

I seriously don't understand how people can go negative in bgs on those classes. When I play them I feel like I have cheat engine enabled

Oh yeah well I died on my NB again today. Healthy Offering needs a damage shield to be in line with Ward.

SandandStars · June 1

hmmm

StaticWave wrote: »

SandandStars wrote: »

i still dont get it

my hardened ward is 9k w battlespirit

concealed weapon hits me for 8k

guess my build is weak…

You need a better build. On my stamsorc with 36.9k HP I'm getting an 8k Ward in BG:

If you have a 9k Ward on your magsorc then that means your max mag is hovering around 38-39k. Most magsorcs run with 50k+ max mag this patch.

ok. tinkered the build and got up to 47k magicka, which put shield at ~11k and heal at ~7.5k.

i think what i was missing was that u can just spam hw repeatedly and survive a ton of dmg.

when i played magsorc before, i never relied on shields in this way.

so i see it now. it’s like spamming healthy offering.

xylena_lazarow · June 1

SandandStars wrote: »

ok. tinkered the build and got up to 47k magicka, which put shield at ~11k and heal at ~7.5k. i think what i was missing was that u can just spam hw repeatedly and survive a ton of dmg. when i played magsorc before, i never relied on shields in this way. so i see it now. it’s like spamming healthy offering.

Thanks for taking the time to try the max mag strat! Not only can you spam it to recover, but you can also preload Ward at full hp before taking damage, for example if you sense a Meteor coming, a fast click of Ward will completely brick that player's Meteor + Javelin combo, which can otherwise kill you before you have a chance to break free and burst heal. Countering damage ahead of time like that (at full hp) is something only shields can do, burst heals cannot.

StaticWave · June 2

SandandStars wrote: »

i think what i was missing was that u can just spam hw repeatedly and survive a ton of dmg.

when i played magsorc before, i never relied on shields in this way.

so i see it now. it’s like spamming healthy offering.

Yes. Magsorc can rely completely on Hardened Ward this patch as its main defense. No need to stack Vigor and several HoTs to survive anymore. The caveat is you need to reach a decent max mag threshold to rely on Ward as your main defense. It's doable with max mag sets and slotting Inner Light + Bound Aegis.