Sneak Builds-Nightblade combo don't make sense!

KoSeKu · May 2014

What i mean is, sneak simlpy costs stamina -> and supported by medium armor -> which improves phyhsical attacks -> which isn't done by Nightblade skills. =>You have to focus on only weapon attacks -> which doesn't provide enough sneaking skills as much as nightblade skills.
Other sceneario is nightblade skills cost magicka -> need to max magicka for best dps -> magicka isn't used for sneaking. =>build fail.

At both sceneario builds, they don't sencronise. You can't both focus on magicka and stamina at the same time since you have to max health due to survivalibility.

At the end of all; all sneak builds won't work properly. I think this is a big fail of Zenimax how they missed this important issue.

(since i play fire mage, i have no problem with my build) i was just thinking about creating a sneak based character...

Jomoroon · May 2014

Yes, its why NB are getting a buff in the future.

KoSeKu · May 2014

engkhemrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Yes, its why NB are getting a buff in the future.

what buff?

PBpsy · May 2014

KoSeKu wrote: »

What i mean is, sneak simlpy costs stamina -> and supported by medium armor -> which improves phyhsical attacks -> which isn't done by Nightblade skills. =>You have to focus on only weapon attacks -> which doesn't provide enough sneaking skills as much as nightblade skills.
Other sceneario is nightblade skills cost magicka -> need to max magicka for best dps -> magicka isn't used for sneaking. =>build fail.

At both sceneario builds, they don't sencronise. You can't both focus on magicka and stamina at the same time since you have to max health due to survivalibility.

At the end of all; all sneak builds won't work properly. I think this is a big fail of Zenimax how they missed this important issue.

(since i play fire mage, i have no problem with my build) i was just thinking about creating a sneak based character...

Medium armor supports physical crit. Physical crit chance is what governs nightblade melee class skills.It is the key to nightblade stealth melee bps
Medium armor improves sneak which makes using NB melee skills easier.
Medium armor allows you to have enough stamina and stamina regen to not need any stamina points or stamina enchants for sneaking ,attaking or blocking provided you decide to go only with class based skills for bps. I actually use 1 or 2 stam based defensive skills without investing any points or enchants into it.
Medium armor allows you to go all the way into magicka for max damage from class skills.

I only end up without stamina when sneaking if I am trying to go for miles while sneaking in Cyrodill but if I stop I regen my stamina while remaining undetected. I never found it a problem but if it bothers you much just get some stamina food or invest a couple of points or enchants into stamina.

And in no way do you have to max health. I am VR6 and doing just fine with 30 points plus 2 health enchants.

My PVE stealth NB buid

Kungfu · May 2014

This is not intended to be an attack or personal. I do mean to help here but this is gonna sound a liiittle harsh: The problem isn't in the class, it is in your view of it.
I think you need to stop looking at Nightblade like it is every other rogue class in every other MMO.

Really, I feel like the Nightblade class abilities synchronize REALLY well with stealth. I don't think any other class gets anything close to Concealed Weapon as far as stealth benefits are concerned.

In ESO, the Nightblade is just as much of a "stealther" as a Sorcerer, Dragon Knight, or Templar is. Recognize that every class can build for Magicka use and use their class-skills or they can build for Stamina use to use generic weapon skills. Then realize the stealth options are open to every class. Then you will see that they all have the same choices to make that you describe.

That does not mean they are "broken," it means they are equal in the stealth sense.

"Other sceneario is nightblade skills cost magicka -> need to max magicka for best dps -> magicka isn't used for sneaking. =>build fail."

My apologies if this comes off harsh, but I feel that your frustration here is a bit misguided. Possibly due to low-level character?
I know from personal experience that you can go ALL Magicka in your NB build and have more than enough stamina to stealth and stay stealthed for as long as you want.

If you want a Nightblade to stealth forever, build your character for it. Choose a race that benefits stamina and/or stealth. I would recommend Redguard, Wood Elf, or Khajiit primarily. Secondary choices being Dark Elf or Orc (or Imperial if you have it). Then, choose what you're going to spec into: magicka & class abilities or stamina and weapon abilities and STICK WITH IT. At least until your character is in his/her 40's.

As you level, focus on skilling up Medium armor to take all the passives you can find that increase stamina regen. If you continue have stamina regen problems beyond that, you can: (a)use food to buff it (b)use potions to increase it (c)enchant your armor to raise it (d)seek out armor sets that help based upon your playstyle (e)invest spare points into stamina if you really feel none of the above have helped...

I strongly recommend an add-on called Softcap Info -- it will help you see your current stats / caps so you can plan ahead a little in this regard.

If you want to build a Nightblade that uses class abilities, you CAN. My NB is extremely successful and I have no points invested in stamina.

Here I will link some videos that have helped me along the way :

The ESO Predator Build -- no stamina, high stealth.

Zemez' Offensive Resto Staff -- all magicka abilities with some heal to help sustain in PvP.

MasterLanz · May 2014

I see no problem with that reality. Hybrid medium/light armor as needed or just go with a magicka build. You don't need stamina for nightblade at all. Sneaking isn't that expensive, and if you don't use stamina for anything, then it's basically just your 'sneak pool' and nothing else.

pllenadob14a_ESO · May 2014

I am so certain that a great game like The Elder Scrolls Online will enable the NightBlade to be able to use poisons. Unfortunately, poisons and The Dark Brotherhood (and maybe even pickpocketing) are not ready yet. I am not saying I know this for a fact. What I am saying is that knowing the smart and serious game designers that they are in Bethesda and ZOS, poisons for NB only should balance them out. Poisons should be a crafted item under Alchemy and only the Nightblade should be able to use it on their weapons.

RazzPitazz · May 2014

pllenadob14a_ESO wrote: »

I am so certain that a great game like The Elder Scrolls Online will enable the NightBlade to be able to use poisons. Unfortunately, poisons and The Dark Brotherhood (and maybe even pickpocketing) are not ready yet. I am not saying I know this for a fact. What I am saying is that knowing the smart and serious game designers that they are in Bethesda and ZOS, poisons for NB only should balance them out. Poisons should be a crafted item under Alchemy and only the Nightblade should be able to use it on their weapons.

That would cause some quarrell among other classes not having specific conssumables. If a poison were to be limited I would say limit it to a weapon type such as a bow or dagger. Most likely it will not be limited (except for maybe staffs?). Poisons would be wierd simce a few skills already incorporate poison damage.

shills6451b14a_ESO · May 2014

I'd like to see poisons just like the standalone eldar scrolls games. Nightblade wouldn't have exclusive use, but the potion beni's they get would apply to poisons as well would be my suggestion.

joshisanonymous · May 2014

KoSeKu wrote: »

You can't both focus on magicka and stamina at the same time since you have to max health due to survivalibility.

I don't see why you can't. My idea of the nightblade is that it survives by not getting hit in the first place. There are a number of tools that help this: in-combat stealth, fear, blur, shadow image (for a quick hit-and-run), cripple and path of darkness (for not letting them get close to begin with). Then you have evasion in the medium armor line and ember explosion in the DW line. You have rather large number of defensive abilities at your disposal, all of which are focused on not getting hit at all.

subecsanur · May 2014

I agree with OP, strangely how they promote the NB from the beginning but really the only viable classes to enjoy were DK and Sorc classes. Other that that most of the NB's end up using the basic weapon line skills / guild skills to add to their frailness and lack of cc & dps.

PBpsy · May 2014

subecsanur wrote: »

I agree with OP, strangely how they promote the NB from the beginning but really the only viable classes to enjoy were DK and Sorc classes. Other that that most of the NB's end up using the basic weapon line skills / guild skills to add to their frailness and lack of cc & dps.

Enjoyment is very subjective . If you do not enjoy the NB that doesn't mean other people do not.. I haven't enjoyed the other 3 classes to get any of them past level 12. I am VR8 now and I loved playing my NB all the way. It is pretty damn viable too. I am able solo public dungeons and many world bosses at my level. I also never used weapons skills and have only 2 point into stamina since level 6 without ever having a problem. Not to say that there is something wrong about choosing to do that,. The NB has some issues due to some bugged skills but it is far far from being useless and quite fun for people who take the time to appreciate it.

subecsanur · May 2014

Exactly, I agree it is playable I am also an NB VR5 now and yes with multiple stategies I can also solo public, but we are either becoming a heavy armored caster more or less and stamina is worthless to even invest in and play without weapon skills. Is this really what they want us to be for NB?