RetPing wrote: »

I really don't understand what kind of fun or fulfillment you can have while crutching on those things.

Have you tried meta builds? They're fun, I promise. I used to do that too, I'd wear weaker sets out of misplaced pride, and it held me back both in terms of performance and in terms of having fun. Way more fun once I embraced the meta.

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

Dude decked out in heavy Way of Fire, Masters DW, Vate staff, against someone not wearing a proc set will be a very one sided engagement (skill level being equal).

This is categorically false, there are particularly strong stat builds for NB, DK, and Sorc right now.

The meta is the meta for a reason. It's the most effective build available. Going off-meta means you either found something brilliant (which would then technically qualify it as the actual meta), or you accept that you'll have an inherent disadvantage in most encounters. You are free to do so, but complaining about players running meta set-ups is not a battle you are going to win.

I also remember when the campaign-wide no-proc test was announced and people were claiming how all those subpar players crutching on proc sets would finally get exposed. Instead, the same players kept dominating because they were best able to adapt to the new circumstances and actually good at the game. So be careful to assume that people crutch on broken sets/classes; rather, they are probably increasing the advantage they already had over you and are now even harder to get rid of. There are a few exceptions to this rule like Oakensoul 1.0, which allowed mediocre players to beat good players not running said mythic, but generally the players who know how to (ab)use broken sets tend to belong to the better segment of the playerbase.

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

RetPing wrote: »

I really don't understand what kind of fun or fulfillment you can have while crutching on those things.

Have you tried meta builds? They're fun, I promise. I used to do that too, I'd wear weaker sets out of misplaced pride, and it held me back both in terms of performance and in terms of having fun. Way more fun once I embraced the meta.

I used to be like that, holding myself back out of pride, then I said screw it and started using meta proc sets. Game felt pretty easy because I'm doing so much dmg for little investment. Theory crafting was pretty easy because the sets take care of my damage/healing.

Then eventually it got stale and I went back to stat builds. It's a downgrade, but the game felt more of a challenge and that's fine by me lol.

StaticWave wrote: »

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

RetPing wrote: »

I really don't understand what kind of fun or fulfillment you can have while crutching on those things.

Have you tried meta builds? They're fun, I promise. I used to do that too, I'd wear weaker sets out of misplaced pride, and it held me back both in terms of performance and in terms of having fun. Way more fun once I embraced the meta.

I used to be like that, holding myself back out of pride, then I said screw it and started using meta proc sets. Game felt pretty easy because I'm doing so much dmg for little investment. Theory crafting was pretty easy because the sets take care of my damage/healing.

Then eventually it got stale and I went back to stat builds. It's a downgrade, but the game felt more of a challenge and that's fine by me lol.

I'm in the same park, that's why I keep both setups in my back pocket. My normal stat builds and then the cheesy meta sets for whenever it feels like the PvP is extra cheesy that day.

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Then eventually it got stale and I went back to stat builds. It's a downgrade, but the game felt more of a challenge and that's fine by me lol.

Stat Sorc is strong though, if you really want to flip the script, run the MDW/Vatesh build on a Nightblade!

IMO the worst meta ever was the "Warden tanks in 3 stat damage sets" one, procs barely existed during these years. Diversity of builds and playstyles was terrible, players were pretty much stuck in a binary state of either "unkillable" or "instantly dead" until the Daedric prince Malacath bestowed us his ring, and damage returned to the game...

Stat sorc is definitely strong, but the class has a high learning curve in terms of survivability. It's what puts people off the class most imo. They see a good sorc do so well so they try the class and realize the healing/survivability is pretty bad.

Warden was definitely an outlier but I think the meta was fine, at least from my perspective.

Tberg725 wrote: »

I took A LONGGG break from eso.. recently came back because of friends wanting to roll in the pvp event and played in Ravenwatch it was the most fun I’ve had playing pvp in YEARS no proc cheese

It is fun playing without proccsets that carry people too hard. The shame is ravenwatch is only active during primetime.

RetPing wrote: »

Yestarday I played on Blackreach - PC EU.
The amount of organized groups crutching on RoA to destroy new people was shameful.

I can only imagine how they feel now about PvP.

I can't believe how long RoA has been allowed to go. Ignoring CC rules is tge worst thing ever done in this game, and it's had some dooozies

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

RetPing wrote: »

Yestarday I played on Blackreach - PC EU.
The amount of organized groups crutching on RoA to destroy new people was shameful.

I can only imagine how they feel now about PvP.

I can't believe how long RoA has been allowed to go. Ignoring CC rules is tge worst thing ever done in this game, and it's had some dooozies

It doesn't ignore cc immunity but it probably should give immunity which it currently does not.