Its honestly so sad that this is what pvp is in this game. This game is so amazing but zos only balances the game 3 times a year and sets like these ruin most everyones experience.

if you dont like procs, there is an entire campaign dedicated to having those disabled

the tank meta itself is a different problem though

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

if you dont like procs, there is an entire campaign dedicated to having those disabled

the tank meta itself is a different problem though

Not that much of a different problem, since both sets and cp‘s flow into it. There are no such tanks in no proc Cyrodiil for example.

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

if you dont like procs, there is an entire campaign dedicated to having those disabled

the tank meta itself is a different problem though

I can't wait to play in a dead campaign! So much fun!

i dont like the no procs cause its boring lol

but all people do is complain about the "proc meta" when there is already a solution for that

if everyone who complained about the proc meta actually played no proc, maybe the camp wouldnt be as dead lol

Cast_El wrote: »

But CP are desabled in no proc camp

This. Also, the sets are all screwy on what can and can’t be used. A better solution is to just nerf over performing sets. They say “play as you like” when in reality, diversity has plummeted since then.

Woodenplank wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

if you dont like procs, there is an entire campaign dedicated to having those disabled

the tank meta itself is a different problem though

"Silly OP, if you have a problem with two proc sets being overpowered and offering free damage, you should just go play the campaign where all proc sets (and the CP-system) are disabled!"

cp is also "free dmg and mitigation" too lol

Amerises wrote: »

Cast_El wrote: »

But CP are desabled in no proc camp

This. Also, the sets are all screwy on what can and can’t be used. A better solution is to just nerf over performing sets. They say “play as you like” when in reality, diversity has plummeted since then.

i agree it isnt the best, personally i wish they took it 1 step further and just disabled ALL set bonuses, then it would be clear, at that point pvp would be more about skill and the imbalances between specific classes than procs/cp which are in a way kind of crutches

Pay to win wardens on dot builds atm

I can deal with the Master's DW set, its Vateshran I hate. I break LoS through walls on Jesus Beam & Vate at same time and the JB breaks but not the Vate. IDK if adding a cost would balance it, but its the opposite result of what I think a ranged debuff should be considering puncture/ransack have costs and risk involved when using them. 15m ranged free dot, free debuff, possibly keep them off their mount for minutes when they count the most like a scroll run. I just hate vate lol.

TLDR: Vateshran - too much happens for free.

Udrath wrote: »

Seems like every arcanist uses this set up, which makes me believe their class is in a bad state, and if they nerf it the class will kinda suck. Pretty much same result as changing harmony trait for necro lol… only reason I am hesitant to level one up

DK, warden, nightblade, Templar all have way stronger options than running master Dw/vate if the goal is to do big burst in solo/group play and survive.

Arcanist doesn't have a good spammable.
Fatecarver sucks in PvP and you need 3 crux to make its damage good... The same 3 crux you need for a burst heal on impervious runeward shield. It's better to use weapon skills for offense.

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Udrath wrote: »

Seems like every arcanist uses this set up, which makes me believe their class is in a bad state, and if they nerf it the class will kinda suck. Pretty much same result as changing harmony trait for necro lol… only reason I am hesitant to level one up

DK, warden, nightblade, Templar all have way stronger options than running master Dw/vate if the goal is to do big burst in solo/group play and survive.

Arcanist doesn't have a good spammable.
Fatecarver sucks in PvP and you need 3 crux to make its damage good... The same 3 crux you need for a burst heal on impervious runeward shield. It's better to use weapon skills for offense.

Fatecarver isn't intended to be a spammable, it's a burst ability akin to Spec Bow, Shalks, or Blastbones, and it does very well in that role.

Arcanist actually has 2 GREAT spammables: Runeblades and Flail. Runeblades has an absurdly high tooltip and multi-hits (meaning higher proc chances and more potential damage from things like Draugrkin), while Flail is matched only by Nightblade's spammable in terms of effect bloat - it roots, has an unnamed vulnerability effect, executes, builds crux, and is AOE.

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Udrath wrote: »

Seems like every arcanist uses this set up, which makes me believe their class is in a bad state, and if they nerf it the class will kinda suck. Pretty much same result as changing harmony trait for necro lol… only reason I am hesitant to level one up

DK, warden, nightblade, Templar all have way stronger options than running master Dw/vate if the goal is to do big burst in solo/group play and survive.

Arcanist doesn't have a good spammable.
Fatecarver sucks in PvP and you need 3 crux to make its damage good... The same 3 crux you need for a burst heal on impervious runeward shield. It's better to use weapon skills for offense.

Fatecarver isn't intended to be a spammable, it's a burst ability akin to Spec Bow, Shalks, or Blastbones, and it does very well in that role.

Arcanist actually has 2 GREAT spammables: Runeblades and Flail. Runeblades has an absurdly high tooltip and multi-hits (meaning higher proc chances and more potential damage from things like Draugrkin), while Flail is matched only by Nightblade's spammable in terms of effect bloat - it roots, has an unnamed vulnerability effect, executes, builds crux, and is AOE.

I don't think rune blades is that good. It needs something else. I would love to be able to use rune blades to generate crux, but it just isn't as useful as flail.

Flail is not bad. But that's mostly because besides generating crux it has an immobilize and debuffs with abyssal ink. Not because it does good damage.
I only use it for generating crux, and immobilizing a player when they start getting too close to me.
All crux is reserved for impervious rune ward. Would never waste it on beam.

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Udrath wrote: »

Seems like every arcanist uses this set up, which makes me believe their class is in a bad state, and if they nerf it the class will kinda suck. Pretty much same result as changing harmony trait for necro lol… only reason I am hesitant to level one up

DK, warden, nightblade, Templar all have way stronger options than running master Dw/vate if the goal is to do big burst in solo/group play and survive.

Arcanist doesn't have a good spammable.
Fatecarver sucks in PvP and you need 3 crux to make its damage good... The same 3 crux you need for a burst heal on impervious runeward shield. It's better to use weapon skills for offense.

Fatecarver isn't intended to be a spammable, it's a burst ability akin to Spec Bow, Shalks, or Blastbones, and it does very well in that role.

Arcanist actually has 2 GREAT spammables: Runeblades and Flail. Runeblades has an absurdly high tooltip and multi-hits (meaning higher proc chances and more potential damage from things like Draugrkin), while Flail is matched only by Nightblade's spammable in terms of effect bloat - it roots, has an unnamed vulnerability effect, executes, builds crux, and is AOE.

I don't think rune blades is that good. It needs something else. I would love to be able to use rune blades to generate crux, but it just isn't as useful as flail.

Flail is not bad. But that's mostly because besides generating crux it has an immobilize and debuffs with abyssal ink. Not because it does good damage.
I only use it for generating crux, and immobilizing a player when they start getting too close to me.
All crux is reserved for impervious rune ward. Would never waste it on beam.

You're using beam wrong then. You should never cast beam unless it's with 3 crux - it's a wasted cast with anything less.

You need to be choosing between beam and runeward based on context. Or as an alternative, just run Chakrams as your main defensive ability with max stat stacking.

I don't slot beam at all lol. She's a bowcanist poison build with sheer venom and swamp raider.

Wouldn't even waste my time slotting that piece of junk Beam. Lol

I can use my bow skills whenever I want and use impervious runeward to shield me so I can keep attacking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL-hNnHW-5M

PvP has always been heavily gear & class dependent in this game, but now it’s just ludicrous.

Not fun anymore, imo.