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No refunds and get this...
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SootyTX✭✭✭navystylz_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Wait, OP became vamp to abuse a bugged mechanic, so when they fix the mechanic (not change the skill) he cries about not getting respecced for a properly working skill now?
No. And people's seriously lack of reading comprehension is disturbing. I get it, you hate vampires because they apparently rolled all over you in PvP.
BUT
1. I made decision to be a vampire in beta when game went live.
2. I was a vampire at lvl 17, the first thursday at 6:35 AM EST of early access when the NPC spawn was still on a cycle. The very first vampire spawn appeared and I was infected.
3. I leveled with it to hoots of glee at how weak vampires would be in pvp, to many warnings of people not to take vampire and pvp cuz you're going to die so easy. The preconceived notion was vamps would suck.
4. Some times later these builds able to abuse bat swarm start happening (tell me how a nightblade can achieve this, because as far as I know no nightblade can). And now everyone who is a vampire did it to be OP, even though this didn't appear until weeks after many many people were turned.
So if you decided to become a vampire back in beta, you seemed to accept that they were perceived to be weaker and it didn't bother you at all, why the sudden change of heart because one skill was changed?
Sorry, but OP seem to be more than a little disingenuous to me.2 -
The_Sadist✭✭✭✭✭navystylz_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Wait, OP became vamp to abuse a bugged mechanic, so when they fix the mechanic (not change the skill) he cries about not getting respecced for a properly working skill now?
No. And people's seriously lack of reading comprehension is disturbing. I get it, you hate vampires because they apparently rolled all over you in PvP.
BUT
1. I made decision to be a vampire in beta when game went live.
2. I was a vampire at lvl 17, the first thursday at 6:35 AM EST of early access when the NPC spawn was still on a cycle. The very first vampire spawn appeared and I was infected.
3. I leveled with it to hoots of glee at how weak vampires would be in pvp, to many warnings of people not to take vampire and pvp cuz you're going to die so easy. The preconceived notion was vamps would suck.
4. Some times later these builds able to abuse bat swarm start happening (tell me how a nightblade can achieve this, because as far as I know no nightblade can). And now everyone who is a vampire did it to be OP, even though this didn't appear until weeks after many many people were turned.
So if you decided to become a vampire back in beta, you seemed to accept that they were perceived to be weaker and it didn't bother you at all, why the sudden change of heart because one skill was changed?
Sorry, but OP seem to be more than a little disingenuous to me.
One skill? You mean how you only get 21% reduction instead of 60% which means ALL spells cost more.
The idea of getting the passives of the vampire skill line and not using any of the spells is sort of an appealing thought and I know a few people have similar mindsets.
The reason for the OP going vampire and his perceptions are irrelevant.. the refund should have happened regardless of why x went vampire. It's really not a complicated thing.
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So if you decided to become a vampire back in beta, you seemed to accept that they were perceived to be weaker and it didn't bother you at all, why the sudden change of heart because one skill was changed?
Sorry, but OP seem to be more than a little disingenuous to me.
Hahaha nice observation
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ErilAq✭✭✭I assume the two skills being refunded are class points, while the vampire skills are a completely optional skill line that was not intended to be a class itself and was intended to be purely flavor, like the guild skill lines. If that's not the case, then I agree, it is indeed odd that you don't get the skills refunded.Internet armchair warriors attack! Yayayayayayaaaaaah!!!!0 -
So if you decided to become a vampire back in beta, you seemed to accept that they were perceived to be weaker and it didn't bother you at all, why the sudden change of heart because one skill was changed?
Sorry, but OP seem to be more than a little disingenuous to me.
Hi, please read before posting (patch notes), it is very useful and would prevent you from such useless post.. There is not only "1 skill change" as you claim, the whole line is affected by the changes. So yes the refunding of skillpoints should have been the only logical way of doing it.
I do not PVP, i could care less if they fixed Ultimate reduction stacking to ensure a "balanced" PVP experience. However, what they did has nothing to do with that and the forums will soon be swarmed again by tears when people realise Batswarm is still spammable by the overpowered classes.
Ignorance is bliss i guess..
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SootyTX✭✭✭fenweeneb18_ESO wrote: »So if you decided to become a vampire back in beta, you seemed to accept that they were perceived to be weaker and it didn't bother you at all, why the sudden change of heart because one skill was changed?
Sorry, but OP seem to be more than a little disingenuous to me.
Hi, please read before posting (patch notes), it is very useful and would prevent you from such useless post.. There is not only "1 skill change" as you claim, the whole line is affected by the changes. So yes the refunding of skillpoints should have been the only logical way of doing it.
I do not PVP, i could care less if they fixed Ultimate reduction stacking to ensure a "balanced" PVP experience. However, what they did has nothing to do with that and the forums will soon be swarmed again by tears when people realise Batswarm is still spammable by the overpowered classes.
Ignorance is bliss i guess..
Oh I do read - I went and read this exact same post you created on Tamriel Foundry...."I wasn’t using ult much because it wasn’t up much unless you aoe a lot, or spam drain a lot. I wasn’t using mist except travel. Drain was situational."
So of the three changes one is a pure bug fix and one is a skill you only use for travelling, hardly earth shattering. So yes, you are here whining for points back (which happened anyway) over 1 skill change.
If it were up to me, none of these balance changes would result in skill point refunds, maybe then we'd have less of a flood of FOTM builds and all the crap that comes along with them
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Oh I do read - I went and read this exact same post you created on Tamriel Foundry...."I wasn’t using ult much because it wasn’t up much unless you aoe a lot, or spam drain a lot. I wasn’t using mist except travel. Drain was situational."
So of the three changes one is a pure bug fix and one is a skill you only use for travelling, hardly earth shattering. So yes, you are here whining for points back (which happened anyway) over 1 skill change.
If it were up to me, none of these balance changes would result in skill point refunds, maybe then we'd have less of a flood of FOTM builds and all the crap that comes along with them
Erm, i do not have a tamriel foundry account
no idea why you would say that guess Reading is really overrated if you begin to associate all posts on the internet as coming from one poster.... And no you are wrong again, 1 skill was changed, but the MANA cost reduction is the big hit in PVE..
As for refunding skillpoints and FOTM, you got me smiling as if 10 skillpoints were enough to join the herd of the new FOTM LOL, and you have to be a DK or a sorc to be FOTM anyway xD. No it simply allows players that invested their point in a skill instead of another to get the choice again as the Skill isn't what they put a point into.. In a game where you have to spend 30K on respec just to change 1 morph, this refunding only sounds fair.
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Corithna✭✭✭✭✭Wait, so you knew vampire was broken going into it and you thought it would be cool to exploit it while it lasted and now that it's nerfed you want to be compensated for all your "trouble"?
You know @SirAndy , I've always loved the point of view you put out there when people put silly stuff like this into print.
The other fixes to vampires are already included in the patch that will launch Craglorn people. There's no need to roll it out twice or make additional work for themselves. It also says to me that the problem is with systems that require a large patch to fix not just one of these little two minute download jobbers like we just got. My advise to everyone who has a vampire right now is to just relax and wait to see what happens with the big patch. Today's stuff was a temp fix and the easiest way to counter at least some of the problems.
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navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭navystylz_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Wait, OP became vamp to abuse a bugged mechanic, so when they fix the mechanic (not change the skill) he cries about not getting respecced for a properly working skill now?
No. And people's seriously lack of reading comprehension is disturbing. I get it, you hate vampires because they apparently rolled all over you in PvP.
BUT
1. I made decision to be a vampire in beta when game went live.
2. I was a vampire at lvl 17, the first thursday at 6:35 AM EST of early access when the NPC spawn was still on a cycle. The very first vampire spawn appeared and I was infected.
3. I leveled with it to hoots of glee at how weak vampires would be in pvp, to many warnings of people not to take vampire and pvp cuz you're going to die so easy. The preconceived notion was vamps would suck.
4. Some times later these builds able to abuse bat swarm start happening (tell me how a nightblade can achieve this, because as far as I know no nightblade can). And now everyone who is a vampire did it to be OP, even though this didn't appear until weeks after many many people were turned.
So if you decided to become a vampire back in beta, you seemed to accept that they were perceived to be weaker and it didn't bother you at all, why the sudden change of heart because one skill was changed?
Sorry, but OP seem to be more than a little disingenuous to me.
No, I'm not being insincere. What changed? A lot has changed... if I was ok with being a vampire back when they were perceived weak, and then they get nerfed across the board to be "weaker". Why the hell would I keep it? What's so hard to understand the skills changed beyond my cost vs bonuses weighing?Edited by ZOS_JuhoJ on 6 May 2014 11:252 -
navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭I assume the two skills being refunded are class points, while the vampire skills are a completely optional skill line that was not intended to be a class itself and was intended to be purely flavor, like the guild skill lines. If that's not the case, then I agree, it is indeed odd that you don't get the skills refunded.
All skills are completely optional. Just because it's in a class line doesn't mean you need to take it. Also you're wrong. There are clearly skills in weapons lines, etc that are being refunded.0 -
navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭fenweeneb18_ESO wrote: »So if you decided to become a vampire back in beta, you seemed to accept that they were perceived to be weaker and it didn't bother you at all, why the sudden change of heart because one skill was changed?
Sorry, but OP seem to be more than a little disingenuous to me.
Hi, please read before posting (patch notes), it is very useful and would prevent you from such useless post.. There is not only "1 skill change" as you claim, the whole line is affected by the changes. So yes the refunding of skillpoints should have been the only logical way of doing it.
I do not PVP, i could care less if they fixed Ultimate reduction stacking to ensure a "balanced" PVP experience. However, what they did has nothing to do with that and the forums will soon be swarmed again by tears when people realise Batswarm is still spammable by the overpowered classes.
Ignorance is bliss i guess..
Oh I do read - I went and read this exact same post you created on Tamriel Foundry...."I wasn’t using ult much because it wasn’t up much unless you aoe a lot, or spam drain a lot. I wasn’t using mist except travel. Drain was situational."
So of the three changes one is a pure bug fix and one is a skill you only use for travelling, hardly earth shattering. So yes, you are here whining for points back (which happened anyway) over 1 skill change.
If it were up to me, none of these balance changes would result in skill point refunds, maybe then we'd have less of a flood of FOTM builds and all the crap that comes along with them
You invalidated everything you said in your first line. How are we to believe you read anything, or that if you did your reading comprehension is up to the task when you confuse ME, the person who created both posts, with someone else.
And your post clearly shows there were more than 1 change. Regardless of what they are, they're more than 1. And regardless of your perceived usefulness, still has an effect. Don't perceive you know what is and is not a useful ability to me and how said changes may or may not affect on me.
Please tell me what FoTM build I went with. Lets see if you can even get the class right since you read so well. You're just another tool yelling fotm build because you're too stupid to think an original thought or understand most people weren't even bat swarm spammers. Most of us haven't even been pvping much if at all yet.
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hahaha i feel to robbed now that i re-subbed, they aren't even fixing things, Bat swarm is still 88Ultimate
The only thing they did was nerf it to the point where u couldn't and can't catch bolt escapees, nerf it in pve for ppl who do not abuse swarm, but do not fix the vampire stage bug. instead just outright nerf it even more.
But leave bat swarm as it is, practically, it can still only cost 88 Ultimate.
this is jokes
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So now that it's slightly less powerfull you don't want it anymore how convenient. Either you really wanted to be a vamp and don't mind the slight drawback it has now or you just played the flavour of the month card and got punished. Easy as that. Stop the qq and deal with it.0
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i have been a vamp since about 2 days fater launch i got my bite at lvl 8. because i want to be vamp not because of any kind of exploit thing. i will just have to see how these changes affect it when i can get on. but the cost reduction bug realy been annoying me0
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SootyTX✭✭✭navystylz_ESO wrote: »fenweeneb18_ESO wrote: »So if you decided to become a vampire back in beta, you seemed to accept that they were perceived to be weaker and it didn't bother you at all, why the sudden change of heart because one skill was changed?
Sorry, but OP seem to be more than a little disingenuous to me.
Hi, please read before posting (patch notes), it is very useful and would prevent you from such useless post.. There is not only "1 skill change" as you claim, the whole line is affected by the changes. So yes the refunding of skillpoints should have been the only logical way of doing it.
I do not PVP, i could care less if they fixed Ultimate reduction stacking to ensure a "balanced" PVP experience. However, what they did has nothing to do with that and the forums will soon be swarmed again by tears when people realise Batswarm is still spammable by the overpowered classes.
Ignorance is bliss i guess..
Oh I do read - I went and read this exact same post you created on Tamriel Foundry...."I wasn’t using ult much because it wasn’t up much unless you aoe a lot, or spam drain a lot. I wasn’t using mist except travel. Drain was situational."
So of the three changes one is a pure bug fix and one is a skill you only use for travelling, hardly earth shattering. So yes, you are here whining for points back (which happened anyway) over 1 skill change.
If it were up to me, none of these balance changes would result in skill point refunds, maybe then we'd have less of a flood of FOTM builds and all the crap that comes along with them
You invalidated everything you said in your first line. How are we to believe you read anything, or that if you did your reading comprehension is up to the task when you confuse ME, the person who created both posts, with someone else.
And your post clearly shows there were more than 1 change. Regardless of what they are, they're more than 1. And regardless of your perceived usefulness, still has an effect. Don't perceive you know what is and is not a useful ability to me and how said changes may or may not affect on me.
Please tell me what FoTM build I went with. Lets see if you can even get the class right since you read so well. You're just another tool yelling fotm build because you're too stupid to think an original thought or understand most people weren't even bat swarm spammers. Most of us haven't even been pvping much if at all yet.
I'm man enough to admit I mistook fenweeb for you - you both whine in exactly the same way so it was an easy mistake to make.
And no, it doesn't invalidate anything I said just because I quoted him instead of you, but nice try. The simple truth is that you are making all these claims that you've wanted to be a vampire since the very beginning, but as soon as the OP abilities get brought in line a bit you are off and running to the hills.
i don't care one iota what FOTM build you do or don't use, I'm simply calling you out for (a) whining about a cost that, if you were being honest, you wouldn't be paying in the first place because you'd be staying vampire and (b) still not updating your OP to include the fact that you have actually got your skill points refunded and are now just crying for the sake of it.
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Because in the next update, the actual skills will finally match the description that you have just read and agreed to spend skillpoints on. The nerf in only temporary. just be patient. In the PTS the skills description is the same as the ones pre-nerf. But they finally fixed the bugs within the numbers/calculationsEdited by randomriffyrocksprerb18_ESO on 6 May 2014 11:310 -
navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭Manofmisery wrote: »So now that it's slightly less powerfull you don't want it anymore how convenient. Either you really wanted to be a vamp and don't mind the slight drawback it has now or you just played the flavour of the month card and got punished. Easy as that. Stop the qq and deal with it.
Correlation does not imply causation. Just because those who abused the bat swarm spamming are quitting for that reason doesn't mean I am. Honestly I'm over idiots like you that seem to think just because someone wants to be a vampire, they will do it regardless of what idiotic iteration is currently in game. This might be true if vampirism didn't come with a 50% fire damage vulnerability and increased damage to fighter guild abilities.
Please... just stop being so dense.
FYI slight drawback is relative to YOUR perceptions, not mine.
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navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭navystylz_ESO wrote: »
I'm man enough to admit I mistook fenweeb for you - you both whine in exactly the same way so it was an easy mistake to make.
And no, it doesn't invalidate anything I said just because I quoted him instead of you, but nice try. The simple truth is that you are making all these claims that you've wanted to be a vampire since the very beginning, but as soon as the OP abilities get brought in line a bit you are off and running to the hills.
i don't care one iota what FOTM build you do or don't use, I'm simply calling you out for (a) whining about a cost that, if you were being honest, you wouldn't be paying in the first place because you'd be staying vampire and (b) still not updating your OP to include the fact that you have actually got your skill points refunded and are now just crying for the sake of it.
Buh-bye now
No you're not. It was just a veiled attempt at another attack that has nothing to do with the original post.
A guy claims he has been reading everything and has reading comprehension, and then posts a reply to someone mistaking them as me. That implies you are either a) not reading as well as you claim, b) not comprehending what you're reading. Sorry bud but that's how that works.
And then you go and show how dense you are again (mods don't like me telling people what I really think of them).
Listing out information and asking why some skills warrant a refund but vampirism which had many more changes does not, doesn't equate whining.
You really should just stop. You're attacks and assumptions about how I should play, or feel about the changes only continue to make you look like a child lashing out. You may think you're making good jabs, and might even feel good about it. But other people reading this has already been vocal about how these replies that lash out and ignore the purpose of the OP make you look. I'm sure many other who are just reading only are shaking their head at childishness of your replies, and other like it thinking yet again toxic forum community strikes to devolve any thread into a pissing match.
Mentioning a cost (just love how you think tacking whining on there is any way bothers me, or validates your claim) was for the sake of showing how this and other skills differed. I'm glad you think you somehow get to decide what is worth keeping or not. It's really nice you're paying my account for me to decide how I should play. Oh wait, you're not.
Since I got the points updated I have not even said anything about not getting my points refunded. I simply replied to the toxic threads making accusations and trying to attack me.0 -
Harbingers✭✭✭✭✭aresdestructorub17_ESO1 wrote: »why do you people assume everyone who went vamp knew it was "broken" and wanted to exploit ***?
Because there whiney EP.~ Immersion is no substitute for Exposition ~
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navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭Harbingers wrote: »aresdestructorub17_ESO1 wrote: »why do you people assume everyone who went vamp knew it was "broken" and wanted to exploit ***?
Because there whiney EP.
You can't even spell "they're" correctly. I highly doubt you have the perceptions to read tone in text. Or spell "whiny". SMDH.2 -
I'm glad to hear that they refunded the points in the end. It was definitely the right thing to do.2 -
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