Great news: oakensoul gimps the Arcanist to a large extent

isadoraisacat · April 2023

Nyseto wrote: »

isadoraisacat wrote: »

Nyseto wrote: »

isadoraisacat wrote: »

Imagine hating other people for playing the way they want ?

Imagine hating other people for being happy oakensoul is not at at the forefront of things for once.

Oakensoul lives rent free in people’s minds. I see tons of players using builds that do not utilize this item. If you don’t like it don’t use it. But don’t complain about an item that is useful for those with disabilities / new players / people with bad connections etc

People are so afraid of change [snip]

Those criticizing oakensoul live rent free in people’s minds. If you don’t like other players celebrating when oakensoul receives a nerf or isn’t relevant in the newest content, then don’t listen to them. But don’t try to silence others who speak up about in-game mechanics.

Not all change is for the better, and those who say they are for change are only so when it behooves them. There’s enough threads of oakensoul users claiming they will “lose it” if it gets nerfed.

Can’t even celebrate these days without someone trying to pull you down.

Why would you celebrate something that makes someone else’s enjoyment of the game go down ? That literally doesn’t affect the way you play? It just seems rather condescending towards different play styles and kind of hateful. Not really necessary to post this, [snip]

[edited for baiting & to remove quote]

BloodyStigmata · April 2023

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Anyway, how about that Oakensoul ring guys? Pretty great right? I like how it makes endgame more accessible to players while still leaving 2 bar build on top. Heck it's been a boon to my unarmed character. (Yes, they exist.)

[edited for trolling]

Hapexamendios · April 2023

This topic isn't a celebration of the Arcanist. It's rather a celebration of how the Arcanist interacts with the Oakensoul Ring.

BlueRaven · April 2023

It's early days yet, we don't know what the final build, with the final numbers, will be. It may work out that the Arcanist and the oak ring work just as well as any other class/build/ ring combo already in the game.

Anyway, I doubt the developers of the game wants to turn away potential users of the class because the type of gear/build they enjoy is not possible with it.

Personally, I am more concerned about how a melee build is supposed to work with the new class....

Tessitura · April 2023

Blackbird_V wrote: »

This new Mythic Ring:

Adds: 7480 Offensive Penetration
Adds: 11% Damage done
Adds: 28% Critical Damage Done
Your Light and Heavy attacks deal 99% less damage.

It looks actually fun and interesting. Useful in dungeons for sure, and maybe optimised raid groups can drop Alkosh/EC for other things - whatever they may be - if everyone runs the ring. We'll see however, but big JABS and Jesus Beam damage looks fun.

Arcanist has a ability that adds damage to your weapon attacks. This might get in the way of a ideal weaving class. I like the idea of this on Necro though, might allow them to use their spammable, plus it will make Blastbones hit harder then ever.

haelgaan · April 2023

automating LA would make so much of this foofaraw over weaving and HA v LA go away... interesting that they almost did that with this mythic, but it would be more effective to just change the mechanic, so that we can wear whatever mythic we want

Tessitura · April 2023

haelgaan wrote: »

automating LA would make so much of this foofaraw over weaving and HA v LA go away... interesting that they almost did that with this mythic, but it would be more effective to just change the mechanic, so that we can wear whatever mythic we want

I think the point is to allow a playstyle. This lets people ignore LA/HA while letting those who enjoy both keep doing it. Instead of removing a playstyle they just make another more viable.

rpa · April 2023

I'm currently playing with very laggy 4G connection while waiting when/if fiber happens. Without Oakensoul I would not.

BaalMelqartu · April 2023

Vrienda wrote: »

Damn that Mythic 4 ring with the Arcanist would be fun. LA/HA would slow a builder/spender class down way too much. Wish we could ditch weapon swapping and just have 10 abilities 2 ults we can map as we please though, swapping weapons feels so clunky, especially if you have lag issues.

EDIT: NEVERMIND. Forgot you needed to light/heavy attack every 9 seconds or so for ult gen. Renders the ring kinda meh since you'll need to keep weaving every now and then anyway.

There is a 0.9 - 1.00 second cool down before you can use another ability anyway, just light attack between to help you remember not to press the next ability too fast.

Jammy420 · April 2023

Oakensoul already makes combat laughably easy, so much so meinMMO made an article about how easy and absurd the notion of a one piece that gives you some of the most powerful buffs in the game, its a good thing it doesnt work well with the new class. That ring flies in the face of eso combat anyhow. absolute blight on this game.

ADarklore · April 2023

Jammy420 wrote: »

Oakensoul already makes combat laughably easy, so much so meinMMO made an article about how easy and absurd the notion of a one piece that gives you some of the most powerful buffs in the game, its a good thing it doesnt work well with the new class. That ring flies in the face of eso combat anyhow. absolute blight on this game.

Thankfully you seem to be in the minority of players who feel this way. Interesting that you seem to think an option that makes the game more accessible for disabled players or players with physical and mental limitations is such a blight on the game. Personally, Oakensoul has made the game MUCH MORE fun for me and is a reason I returned to ESO. As for how it works with Arcanist, time will tell.

Aardappelboom · April 2023

ADarklore wrote: »

Jammy420 wrote: »

Oakensoul already makes combat laughably easy, so much so meinMMO made an article about how easy and absurd the notion of a one piece that gives you some of the most powerful buffs in the game, its a good thing it doesnt work well with the new class. That ring flies in the face of eso combat anyhow. absolute blight on this game.

Thankfully you seem to be in the minority of players who feel this way. Interesting that you seem to think an option that makes the game more accessible for disabled players or players with physical and mental limitations is such a blight on the game. Personally, Oakensoul has made the game MUCH MORE fun for me and is a reason I returned to ESO. As for how it works with Arcanist, time will tell.

I think the entire Oakensoul discussion has evolved into something hideous.

One can only celibrate more accesibility, but there's a very clear problem in how "skill" in this game scales with content. Even the difficulty of content suffers from this (laughably easy overland vs extremely hard veteran content). This gap has some gate keeping as result: people not being able to complete normal dungeons or trials.

Having a mythic to "close the gap" is a pretty weird way of approaching the problem. If anything this topic makes this very clear, having one class not being able to enjoy the set is kind of bad design. Not to speak that a lot of people are "stuck" with oakensoul without any alternative in sight.

I don't mind whatsoever, it's great more people enjoy the game, and might I add I was not aware of a lot of the disablities people have and the impact it had on their experience, but both sides do have a point and it's not the item or the players that are at fault. It's just the fact that the gap between easy and hard content is way to big and the learning curve between the two is also very high.

Oakensoul just happens to be a fix for a problem that has been in ESO for quite some time. They should really rethink how they approach content and difficulty and allow for more build diversity for everyone.

isadoraisacat · April 2023

haelgaan wrote: »

automating LA would make so much of this foofaraw over weaving and HA v LA go away... interesting that they almost did that with this mythic, but it would be more effective to just change the mechanic, so that we can wear whatever mythic we want

I would love a mythic that does the light attack for you would nice to try something else for those of us with physical limitations. Even after I do surgery on my hands I doubt I will be able to maintain weaving in the long run.

I think adding different options for different players is a great thing. So those limited players can try new things while still being able to physically do them.

I know other MMOs have the light attacks automated. I don’t think they should make it static but maybe a setting in game to add it or a mythic that does it.

I wouldn’t want to see other players lose the style they play but I don’t think those of us with limitations should be pushed to the way side because people won’t except change.

squinquargesimus · April 2023

I frankly do not see how an accessibility/alternate playstyle item "gimping" a class is "great news", to be entirely honest.

Besides which -- existing classes already don't synergize super well with Oakensoul but can still be played with it, such as NBs and DKs. There's a reason Sorcerer is usually recommended, because that's the class that performs the best with the HA playstyle. I suspect Arcanist will at most share the same fate -- doable, but not the ideal choice.

Considering the "play how you want" tagline, making multiple playstyles viable -- including in "higher" content -- seems fairly imperative for the games stated goals. Oakensoul opens up one of them (and as I understand made one bar non heavy attack viable before its nerf?), this new mythic might open up another.

Snamyap · April 2023

Aardappelboom wrote: »

I think the entire Oakensoul discussion has evolved into something hideous.

It seems pretty much any discussion these days, no matter how trivial, degenerates into toxic polarisation. The precious art of agreeing to disagree has become a faded memory.

WinterHeart626 · April 2023

“Oakensoul nerfs new class”, ummm that’s just with the meta oaken HA build correct? I run an oakenblade non HA that performs adequately enough to pull its weight. Certainly doesn’t parse over 60k because I’ve got my own issues with parsing (parse repeatedly and not be able to play for a week/ affect my job, or parse once every now and then to get an idea of where it’s at, enjoy the game and be able to work).

I’d say challenge accepted for this one, I’ll equip the new class with an oakensoul and see where I end up with it. Certainly won’t be a HA build, that’s what my sorcs for.

Soarora · April 2023

WinterHeart626 wrote: »

“Oakensoul nerfs new class”, ummm that’s just with the meta oaken HA build correct? I run an oakenblade non HA that performs adequately enough to pull its weight. Certainly doesn’t parse over 60k because I’ve got my own issues with parsing (parse repeatedly and not be able to play for a week/ affect my job, or parse once every now and then to get an idea of where it’s at, enjoy the game and be able to work).

I’d say challenge accepted for this one, I’ll equip the new class with an oakensoul and see where I end up with it. Certainly won’t be a HA build, that’s what my sorcs for.

Certainly seems like OP meant oakensoul HA arcanist won't be better than oakensoul HA sorc given the comments about needing to use skills due to the crux mechanic, not that oakensoul itself won't work.

Tradewind · April 2023

I never see any HA with more DPS them me.

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isadoraisacat · April 2023

WinterHeart626 wrote: »

“Oakensoul nerfs new class”, ummm that’s just with the meta oaken HA build correct? I run an oakenblade non HA that performs adequately enough to pull its weight. Certainly doesn’t parse over 60k because I’ve got my own issues with parsing (parse repeatedly and not be able to play for a week/ affect my job, or parse once every now and then to get an idea of where it’s at, enjoy the game and be able to work).

I’d say challenge accepted for this one, I’ll equip the new class with an oakensoul and see where I end up with it. Certainly won’t be a HA build, that’s what my sorcs for.

Based

isadoraisacat · April 2023

Tradewind wrote: »

I never see any HA with more DPS them me.

As a oakensoul HA player with sergeants and storm master I’m still always the lowest dps so I’m sure that is very true.

Caribou77 · April 2023

I assume the Anti-Oakensoul folks are all PVErs, which leads me to wonder why you care if OS helps another player?

In PVP, an Oakensoul build will be weaker than a 2bar build, every time.

Soarora · April 2023

Caribou77 wrote: »

I assume the Anti-Oakensoul folks are all PVErs, which leads me to wonder why you care if OS helps another player?

In PVP, an Oakensoul build will be weaker than a 2bar build, every time.

Point-blank it is an easier build than a traditional build and yet is able to complete dungeon and trial trifectas. Nowadays I'm even seeing people requesting ONLY oakensoul ha sorcs for their dungeon farm or trifecta groups (including 4 oakensoul ha sorcs, not even a tank), along with it being the meta for asylum sanctorium in such a way that it completely avoids situations that make asylum sanctorium the way that it is (such as low sustain, focusing the bosses, and oakensoul groups require less healing. Source: personal experience). Reminds me of when I was only a healer and couldn't join 3 dps runs, makes my asylum trifecta feel dirty, makes me mad to see good players optimizing groups by turning well into endgame members into oaken-HA. That's all I'll be saying on this.

Edit: Though additionally to clear things up, when people complain about HA OR Oakensoul they tend to mean oaken-ha or specifically oaken-ha-sorc, or so I've noticed. There's absolutely nothing wrong with using Oakensoul for a non-ha build, it will never cheese things like Oaken-HA is.

Kusto · April 2023

isadoraisacat wrote: »

Tradewind wrote: »

I never see any HA with more DPS them me.

As a oakensoul HA player with sergeants and storm master I’m still always the lowest dps so I’m sure that is very true.

Then you must be playing with world class players who parse 130k+ or doing something very wrong because I'm always among the top 3 dps in vet raids with average folks. Oaken ha is just too OP in content.

Auldwulfe · April 2023

Kusto wrote: »

isadoraisacat wrote: »

Tradewind wrote: »

I never see any HA with more DPS them me.

As a oakensoul HA player with sergeants and storm master I’m still always the lowest dps so I’m sure that is very true.

Then you must be playing with world class players who parse 130k+ or doing something very wrong because I'm always among the top 3 dps in vet raids with average folks. Oaken ha is just too OP in content.

Especially when you don't even use Oakensoul to achieve it, as it's more due to the way Sergeant's Mail interacts with lightning staves..... If it was due to Oakensoul, then there would be Oakensoul 2-handed and Oakensoul Dual Wields that were overpowered, as well.

I made a totally broken build, leaned into Stamina, with lightning staff, and only one button I need to press, and matched it... completely without Oakensoul

Auldwulfe

katorga · April 2023

squinquargesimus wrote: »

There's a reason Sorcerer is usually recommended, because that's the class that performs the best with the HA playstyle.

I would argue necro is actually best with solo HA playstyle. On demand AOE offbalance, beats anything sorc has.

Nyseto · April 2023

Patch notes are looking excellent. Empower just took a 10% nerf down to 70 from 80. It’s not a whole lot, but I’m glad ZOS has listened to the dissenting opinion.

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isadoraisacat · April 2023

Kusto wrote: »

isadoraisacat wrote: »

Tradewind wrote: »

I never see any HA with more DPS them me.

As a oakensoul HA player with sergeants and storm master I’m still always the lowest dps so I’m sure that is very true.

Then you must be playing with world class players who parse 130k+ or doing something very wrong because I'm always among the top 3 dps in vet raids with average folks. Oaken ha is just too OP in content.

I’m playing only normal 4 man dungeons.
Not vet content. I’m always the lowest.

It may be different with high cp but for causal
Players doing normal dungeons what I’ve seen it’s no lower or higher and while I have gotten better dps
Than prior it didn’t send me over the roof where I reached chim or something.