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Syiccal wrote: »

I main a plar and currently it's not even close how much easier it is to do well with my dk in pvp, I'm not even that good a dk yet Xing is is a breeze in comparison. Dk just has so much sustain and burst potential right now

It's the same for me going from my sorc to my DK (I finally made the switch a couple days ago).

It is literally night and day with how those 2 classes perform right now (and I imagine it's the same with plar to dk as well).

I literally took the build my sorc has and put it on my dk, no changes to armor/weapons/jewelry. Replaced sorc class skills with dk class skills (other skills remained the same).
I went from struggling to get a single part of my burst combo off without getting instantly nuked down by enemy groups, to surviving bombs that proc VD/plaguebreak multiple times, not to mention Volendrung (hammer) ultimates, while also being able to literally make ball groups and faction stacks be constantly on the back foot and be forced to disengage if not outright wiping them.

And no, I am not wearing Mara's balm or any defensive set for that level of survivability either, just a pure damage build with offensive sets equipped. That is just the natural power level of DK in PvP right now, it's absolutely absurd.

Edit: I also want to add, I'm not even a vampire either, so no stage 3 undeath passive to carry me there, DK is just that strong currently.

I chuckle every time when I see post like that. Pattern is always the same, "I wasn't able to do anything on my class A but when I switched to class B I am a god (and optionally) and I don't even have optimised setup". Yes magsorc is in sorry state in solo play and DK is much stronger but fantasy stories won't change that.

There is something like too much fantasy in a fantasy story and part that starts to descrbe how after transition suddenly one person went from strugling to survive, to surviving everything and LITERALLY/CONSTANTLY pushing/wiping ball groups while not even geared good (when keeping narrative like it's done alone) is what I call too much fantasy. Everyone who plays the game knows reality is not so colorfull.

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Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Syiccal wrote: »

I main a plar and currently it's not even close how much easier it is to do well with my dk in pvp, I'm not even that good a dk yet Xing is is a breeze in comparison. Dk just has so much sustain and burst potential right now

It's the same for me going from my sorc to my DK (I finally made the switch a couple days ago).

It is literally night and day with how those 2 classes perform right now (and I imagine it's the same with plar to dk as well).

I literally took the build my sorc has and put it on my dk, no changes to armor/weapons/jewelry. Replaced sorc class skills with dk class skills (other skills remained the same).
I went from struggling to get a single part of my burst combo off without getting instantly nuked down by enemy groups, to surviving bombs that proc VD/plaguebreak multiple times, not to mention Volendrung (hammer) ultimates, while also being able to literally make ball groups and faction stacks be constantly on the back foot and be forced to disengage if not outright wiping them.

And no, I am not wearing Mara's balm or any defensive set for that level of survivability either, just a pure damage build with offensive sets equipped. That is just the natural power level of DK in PvP right now, it's absolutely absurd.

Edit: I also want to add, I'm not even a vampire either, so no stage 3 undeath passive to carry me there, DK is just that strong currently.

I chuckle every time when I see post like that. Patternm is always the same, "I wasn't able to do anything on my class A but when I switchjed to class B I am a god (and optionally) and I don't even have optimised setup". Yes magsorc is in sorry state in solo play and DK is much stronger but fantasy stories won't change that.

There is something like too much fantasy in a fantasy story and part that starts to descrbe how after transition suddenly one person went from strugling to survive, to surviving everything and LITERALLY/CONSTANTLY pushing/wiping ball groups while not even geared good (when keeping narrative like it's done alone) is what I call too much fantasy. Everyone who plays the game knows reality is not so colorfull.

Ahh yes, the tired old "This never happens to me, so therefore it must be complete fantasy and never happens to anyone else ever" excuse I see every thread from people trying to put down or nullify others experiences.

Yawn, find a new excuse.

Just because you're not good enough to survive bombs, the hammer or put pressure on large groups doesn't mean nobody else is. FYI, there was zero lie or exaggeration on those survival capabilities, they all happened multiple times over the course of that play session.
Sure I wasn't "alone" when pressuring the ball groups, but it wasn't a zerg v zerg situation, it was me and maybe 3 others tops (all solo, or at least I was not grouped with the others) driving the ball group back and it was off the back of my pushes that the ball group took those steps backwards (lost group members).

The point is still very much valid though, same battle conditions, same enemies, same build, only difference was the class I was playing (sorc and DK) and DK was completely overperforming.

I also never said "wasn't able to do anything". I said "I was struggling to do anything", there's a huge difference, not that that matters to people like you who just want to crap all over others experiences to make yourself feel better.

Ah yes the tired old "dude trust me this happens to me CONSTANTLY. No matter how fantastic it may sound just trust me on my word and nothing else because I will never prove it in any other way"

You are comparing brawler class to a hit and run class and making an abvious claim that brawler have better defense in brawls. Yes that is how brawler works. FYI everyone can survive/avoid bombs and hammer when built properly and playing conciously.

Ball groups differ. They could be just a bunch of random ungroupped players who were brainlesly rushing to take the keep. Taking down or pushsing away perople like that isn't that hard for a small group of good players even on weaker classes.Ball group is also a vague term, for some people 10 man is already a ball group. Fact that You weren't alone also changes narratrive a bit but I think You knew that and this is why You were not mentioning that in Your first comment because it wouldn't sound so fantastic anymore.

The point is that even the best players playing on fully optimised DKs are not able to CONSTANTLY push/wipe ball groups when playing solo or in small group. Yes it happens occasionally when circumstances allow for that but it's not a constant. And if battle conditions were the same that really doesn't prove what You think it proves. it just proves that brawlers are better in brawl conditions.

There isn't a big difference. Narrative pattern in these stories stays the same.

Yeah good idea, I'll get one started shortly.

Throw Templar a few bones or even a whole carcass then please, ZOS ^^