New PVP Achievements Are Shocking

tmbrinks · March 2023

jaws343 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Jamie_Aubrey wrote: »

Tensar wrote: »

Nice you can't unlock pvp achievement with staying loyal to your alliance. It's stupid

Like people are loyal anyway

Hi, all my characters are EP, how you doing.

Do they even realize how long this is going to take people, the defeat 1,500 players alone, for those who aren't particularly good/powerful in PvP? Takes me a good hour or two to complete that Defeat 40 daily quest and that's during prime time in zerg fights where I have allies to soften up and draw attention.

Completely overlooked that kill 1500 bit. 4500 total kills for all 3 achievements. I have 37K kills on my account and I have been pvping since 2017. So 6 years now, for 37K kills will mean around 8+ months to get the achievement, assuming I pvp consistently enough for it.

That is a long grind, especially a long grind on alternate characters.

From what I've seen... these are "kills or assists" not "killing blows"... so the 1500 won't take that long.

jaws343 · March 2023

tmbrinks wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Jamie_Aubrey wrote: »

Tensar wrote: »

Nice you can't unlock pvp achievement with staying loyal to your alliance. It's stupid

Like people are loyal anyway

Hi, all my characters are EP, how you doing.

Do they even realize how long this is going to take people, the defeat 1,500 players alone, for those who aren't particularly good/powerful in PvP? Takes me a good hour or two to complete that Defeat 40 daily quest and that's during prime time in zerg fights where I have allies to soften up and draw attention.

Completely overlooked that kill 1500 bit. 4500 total kills for all 3 achievements. I have 37K kills on my account and I have been pvping since 2017. So 6 years now, for 37K kills will mean around 8+ months to get the achievement, assuming I pvp consistently enough for it.

That is a long grind, especially a long grind on alternate characters.

From what I've seen... these are "kills or assists" not "killing blows"... so the 1500 won't take that long.

Hmm, is the xbox stat for alliance kills killing blows only? If so, that is a wild number.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2023

jaws343 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Jamie_Aubrey wrote: »

Tensar wrote: »

Nice you can't unlock pvp achievement with staying loyal to your alliance. It's stupid

Like people are loyal anyway

Hi, all my characters are EP, how you doing.

Do they even realize how long this is going to take people, the defeat 1,500 players alone, for those who aren't particularly good/powerful in PvP? Takes me a good hour or two to complete that Defeat 40 daily quest and that's during prime time in zerg fights where I have allies to soften up and draw attention.

Completely overlooked that kill 1500 bit. 4500 total kills for all 3 achievements. I have 37K kills on my account and I have been pvping since 2017. So 6 years now, for 37K kills will mean around 8+ months to get the achievement, assuming I pvp consistently enough for it.

That is a long grind, especially a long grind on alternate characters.

Yeah, I missed that one at first as well. It's definitely the biggest of those numbers. As long as it doesn't require a KB, its not crazy, but certainly not trivial. Its not unrealistic for me to knock out all the kill quests on Saturday, but that is still a fair amount of Saturdays...

Are you getting your totals from an addon or is there some place else to look for that? I lost all my PVP stats from Kill Counter when I rebuilt my PC, could never figure out how to get them to repopulate (I did save my addon folders).

ArchMikem wrote: »

Jamie_Aubrey wrote: »

Tensar wrote: »

Nice you can't unlock pvp achievement with staying loyal to your alliance. It's stupid

Like people are loyal anyway

Hi, all my characters are EP, how you doing.

Do they even realize how long this is going to take people, the defeat 1,500 players alone, for those who aren't particularly good/powerful in PvP? Takes me a good hour or two to complete that Defeat 40 daily quest and that's during prime time in zerg fights where I have allies to soften up and draw attention.

Are you playing solo? Join any pug group and you can knock that quest out in 10-20 minutes. Not sure how that will play in terms of getting the achievement though.

Necrotech_Master · March 2023

if im doing a long session of pvp (like 4 hours or so), i can sometimes rack up over 300 kills + assists

i still havent finished the even much worse grind of alliance rank 50 (im still 2.3 million AP from rank 45), so i still easily see myself completing at least the AD achievement before i even get close to hitting rank 50 lol

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2023

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

if im doing a long session of pvp (like 4 hours or so), i can sometimes rack up over 300 kills + assists

i still havent finished the even much worse grind of alliance rank 50 (im still 2.3 million AP from rank 45), so i still easily see myself completing at least the AD achievement before i even get close to hitting rank 50 lol

I would be quite the "achievement" to hit GO and not finish all those along the way for your alliance. Keep at it, those last few levels are frustratingly long. I did 45.5 to 49 in one MYM week, and that was a drop in the bucket compared to some people.

During MYM week, the question is always, what will happen first. Will I get to 300 kills or will I crash and have to start over. LOL.

Necrotech_Master · March 2023

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

if im doing a long session of pvp (like 4 hours or so), i can sometimes rack up over 300 kills + assists

i still havent finished the even much worse grind of alliance rank 50 (im still 2.3 million AP from rank 45), so i still easily see myself completing at least the AD achievement before i even get close to hitting rank 50 lol

I would be quite the "achievement" to hit GO and not finish all those along the way for your alliance. Keep at it, those last few levels are frustratingly long. I did 45.5 to 49 in one MYM week, and that was a drop in the bucket compared to some people.

During MYM week, the question is always, what will happen first. Will I get to 300 kills or will I crash and have to start over. LOL.

yeah i am chugging along, during an avg pvp session i usually get between 100k and 200k AP (ive also been utilizing war tortes to help)

i use an addon to give me a progress bar for my alliance rank with an "AP remaining to rank up" value so i can see it decreasing actively and it helps motivate lol

im not trying to force it either, and im only moderately good at pvp (i certainly dont play a meta build, but i know how to focus a target, and be in the right place at the right time for keep caps/defense)

jaws343 · March 2023

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Jamie_Aubrey wrote: »

Tensar wrote: »

Nice you can't unlock pvp achievement with staying loyal to your alliance. It's stupid

Like people are loyal anyway

Hi, all my characters are EP, how you doing.

Do they even realize how long this is going to take people, the defeat 1,500 players alone, for those who aren't particularly good/powerful in PvP? Takes me a good hour or two to complete that Defeat 40 daily quest and that's during prime time in zerg fights where I have allies to soften up and draw attention.

Completely overlooked that kill 1500 bit. 4500 total kills for all 3 achievements. I have 37K kills on my account and I have been pvping since 2017. So 6 years now, for 37K kills will mean around 8+ months to get the achievement, assuming I pvp consistently enough for it.

That is a long grind, especially a long grind on alternate characters.

Yeah, I missed that one at first as well. It's definitely the biggest of those numbers. As long as it doesn't require a KB, its not crazy, but certainly not trivial. Its not unrealistic for me to knock out all the kill quests on Saturday, but that is still a fair amount of Saturdays...

Are you getting your totals from an addon or is there some place else to look for that? I lost all my PVP stats from Kill Counter when I rebuilt my PC, could never figure out how to get them to repopulate (I did save my addon folders).

ArchMikem wrote: »

Jamie_Aubrey wrote: »

Tensar wrote: »

Nice you can't unlock pvp achievement with staying loyal to your alliance. It's stupid

Like people are loyal anyway

Hi, all my characters are EP, how you doing.

Do they even realize how long this is going to take people, the defeat 1,500 players alone, for those who aren't particularly good/powerful in PvP? Takes me a good hour or two to complete that Defeat 40 daily quest and that's during prime time in zerg fights where I have allies to soften up and draw attention.

Are you playing solo? Join any pug group and you can knock that quest out in 10-20 minutes. Not sure how that will play in terms of getting the achievement though.

Xbox has a stats tracker for certain eso stats within the console dashboard. Same spot you find the achievements.

Tandor · March 2023

Vevvev wrote: »

Hmmm... Interesting. Well, time to show I only care about the Covenant, but for completionists that went all in on one faction that's gotta suck.

Why would a completionist feel an absolute compulsion to go all in on only one PvP faction when as a completionist they will certainly have gone in on all PvE factions, especially if they started before One Tamriel?

Necrotech_Master · March 2023

Tandor wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Hmmm... Interesting. Well, time to show I only care about the Covenant, but for completionists that went all in on one faction that's gotta suck.

Why would a completionist feel an absolute compulsion to go all in on only one PvP faction when as a completionist they will certainly have gone in on all PvE factions, especially if they started before One Tamriel?

you dont need to make other pve factions to play all the pve content

even back in the days of 2014 when factions mattered in pve, you still could play through the content of all 3 factions as a single character

i have 10 characters and all of them are AD, i never saw a need to make another faction toon (and as i mentioned in an earlier post, its also an old habit from when factions mattered in pve lol)

Tandor · March 2023

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Hmmm... Interesting. Well, time to show I only care about the Covenant, but for completionists that went all in on one faction that's gotta suck.

Why would a completionist feel an absolute compulsion to go all in on only one PvP faction when as a completionist they will certainly have gone in on all PvE factions, especially if they started before One Tamriel?

you dont need to make other pve factions to play all the pve content

Maybe not, but you do need to play every available alliance if you're a true completionist, just as you need to play every available class and race. If there are parts of the game that someone hasn't done and doesn't feel the need to do then they can't claim to be a true completionist - at least not in the sense that the "But I'm a completionist" argument is put forward in ESO.

Necrotech_Master · March 2023

Tandor wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Hmmm... Interesting. Well, time to show I only care about the Covenant, but for completionists that went all in on one faction that's gotta suck.

Why would a completionist feel an absolute compulsion to go all in on only one PvP faction when as a completionist they will certainly have gone in on all PvE factions, especially if they started before One Tamriel?

you dont need to make other pve factions to play all the pve content

Maybe not, but you do need to play every available alliance if you're a true completionist, just as you need to play every available class and race. If there are parts of the game that someone hasn't done and doesn't feel the need to do then they can't claim to be a true completionist - at least not in the sense that the "But I'm a completionist" argument is put forward in ESO.

possibly, but the way i see it, there is no difference playing an AD toon vs a EP toon, at least from the pve side, the questing is identical (the only thing that would vary is your cadwell silver/gold) and that to me isnt enough to justify bothering, even if its a "completion" thing because it doesnt really change anything nor is it required for any achievement (pve wise)

pvp is a slightly different, since faction limits who you can or cant play with in that zone (and now these achievements)

Wolfshade · March 2023

Generally there is nothing miss with these new Archivments, except that something like this should be in the game for a long time. As i saw the numbers i wished they dubbled them. Personaly i would prefer to make them: 50x Bruma, 50x Chal, 50x ale, 100 Mines, 100 Farms, etc. or even "Defend 100x one Keep". Only the Prologe-Dailies for Murkmire was 150 quests (by 1 per day!).

When you have 18 Toons in one Allianze, did you really want the paintings from the other factions? If you would make them higher in stages, like in other Archivments, you could get the Title: Conqueror of Aldmeri Dominion, (War)Lord of the Aldmeri Dominion, etc. So it felt like, ok, most of it is done in two weeks and maybe 1% remembers that there is a painting exists.

Day One: 10 Keeps/ 15 Ressources, so clear in one week.

Btw: What would/should/could be for you great Archivments in Cyrodiil, that gives you a long time motivation to play for it? And what should be the reward then? Or even simpler, what is for you a "long time" for an Archivmentreward?

disintegr8 · March 2023

If you're so concerned about faction allegiance, I'm not sure why you'd really be concerned about losing access to other faction achievements. Surely if you got them, you'd just hide them in the closet and be too ashamed to display them or talk about them?

I originally created characters in each alliance because I thought that was the only way to see all 3 alliance zones. This was well before 'One Tamriel' (or 'Tamriel United', or whatever), before I ventured into Cyrodiil, and before I knew about Cadwell's silver and gold. Since then, I've balanced out my characters to have 6 in each alliance.

My only complaint about the creation of new achievements is that there is never any consideration for long term players, who may have achieved these a long time ago. Just like the sticker book making me re-farm gear from trials and dungeons I farmed years ago; I get no credit for past efforts.

fleetingyouth_ESO · March 2023

I'm all for more achievements that are divided up into choices a player has to make. Achievements were never intended to be completed entirely, they are a moving goalpost to keep players playing the game. An MMO is not a game to be finished and completed, its a living and ever-changing world. And having to choose a path that leads to one of three possible achievements sounds pretty cool to me.

If you play as a completionist that is your right but you must understand the developers are not required to make achievements for completionists. They are for everyone of all play styles and again not intended to be completed in their entirety.

Should we never get interesting or fun achievements because a player chose to have all one faction or all one race? What if they create new achievements meant for new players? You cant go back and get them without a new alt if you have maxed out your alts you might not be able to get those achievements. So should the devs not consider making achievements like that because some players have already maxed their character slots and don't want to delete them?

Of course not. Attempting to complete all achievements is some players preferred play style just as never fishing or only playing a single character is mine. Some will never pvp, and others will never do trials. Being a completionist is and individual choice just like choosing to not fish or pvp. It's not a designed game mechanic for you the complete.

Parrot1986 · March 2023

fleetingyouth_ESO wrote: »

I'm all for more achievements that are divided up into choices a player has to make. Achievements were never intended to be completed entirely, they are a moving goalpost to keep players playing the game. An MMO is not a game to be finished and completed, its a living and ever-changing world. And having to choose a path that leads to one of three possible achievements sounds pretty cool to me.

If you play as a completionist that is your right but you must understand the developers are not required to make achievements for completionists. They are for everyone of all play styles and again not intended to be completed in their entirety.

Should we never get interesting or fun achievements because a player chose to have all one faction or all one race? What if they create new achievements meant for new players? You cant go back and get them without a new alt if you have maxed out your alts you might not be able to get those achievements. So should the devs not consider making achievements like that because some players have already maxed their character slots and don't want to delete them?

Of course not. Attempting to complete all achievements is some players preferred play style just as never fishing or only playing a single character is mine. Some will never pvp, and others will never do trials. Being a completionist is and individual choice just like choosing to not fish or pvp. It's not a designed game mechanic for you the complete.

Couple issues with this, the game is coming up on 9 years since official launch. Since then this is the first achievements which are not achievable on a single character. Up until now every single one you can do on one alt. ESO is a fairly unique MMO in which a single character can do everything, I can craft everything, play any role do any content. Obviously you are never intended to “complete” the game but achieving every achievement is possible and is regularly done each patch and people did this with a single alt. Other MMOs which have achievements requiring multi faction achievements are also “completed” in the sense that players get the max available achievement points for the current patch. Then the new patch comes and you start again. I’ve no complaints with this. I don’t even have an issue with the fact I’ve probably did this achievement 5 times over and still need to re-do.

If these achievements were in the game from the start I’d have no issues with it either as that’s a choice I need to make I.e be all EP or mix it up to get the achievements.

I agree having achievements based on choice isn’t a bad thing either but bringing them out after people have made those choices years ago now and blocking them from progressing them unless they delete existing characters, pay for alliance changes or use the necrom free character to create, complete, delete and repeat is a shocking way for these to be achieved.

The devs can make choices about new content they want to bring in but at no point should that restrict people or put them in the position where they need to either delete characters and progress to achieve or pay real money. I’m not sure how that’s even a statement that’s controversial but that’s the position I’m in. All because I’ve made decisions which had no consequence years ago but now zos decide that those decisions do have consequence now.

SpacemanSpiff1 · March 2023

i think it's fine.

you wanna rep an alliance? get in there and earn your face blotch.

if you're exclusive to one alliance, why wear enemy markings?

colossalvoids · March 2023

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

i think it's fine.

you wanna rep an alliance? get in there and earn your face blotch.

if you're exclusive to one alliance, why wear enemy markings?

He never ever mentioned any markings, not sure where people commenting going from as it just isn't there at all.

jaws343 · March 2023

colossalvoids wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

i think it's fine.

you wanna rep an alliance? get in there and earn your face blotch.

if you're exclusive to one alliance, why wear enemy markings?

He never ever mentioned any markings, not sure where people commenting going from as it just isn't there at all.

I think it is just people not understanding how achievements, or collections, work.

UnabashedlyHonest · March 2023

It's ironic that they are adding more achievements for a zone that they neglect more than any other zone.

OtarTheMad · March 2023

I think this would be a bigger deal to me if the chapter wasn’t adding character slots.

I was a one alliance person when I started the game back in 2014. I went AD but then I started getting friends in other alliances and I also wanted to experience PvP from the other sides, see how the bases differ etc. So I made EP and DC. Liked EP so much I stayed. Still got those DC and AD tho for fun.

cyclonus11 · March 2023

Disappointed that it starts from 0 instead of being retroactive, but w/e.

Jaraal · March 2023

colossalvoids wrote: »

It's a strange precedent indeed, not sure something like this was even asked for, ever.

Not surprising considering how little regard they have for individual achievements. They basically round filed eight years of achievements for our alts, and gave you the option to use whatever titles you have on characters that didn't actually earn them. Can you wear the head markings on characters in a different alliance? I haven't checked. One thing I know for sure is that I'm not going to start killing my friends and teammates on the only alliance I've ever participated in just for some achievements and face markings I'll never use anyway.

LunaFlora · March 2023

Parrot1986 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

if you only have characters in one alliance why would you want the other alliance tattoos?

Who wants alliance tattoos? Struggling to see where that was even relevant to any of my points I’ve raised.

Name another achievement in the game that has been implemented 9 years after launch which is impacted and restricts people by decisions they’ve made years ago and leaves them needing to pay money or delete characters to achieve them.

Because why else would completing the achievement matter? Nothing else is locked behind it as far as I can see. Naturally most of us assume that you are frustrated at potentially be locked out of some reward or why else the objection?

The title states the achievements, none of my posts ever mention caring about the cosmetics. I like to play as a completionist and go to complete all the achievements ultimately, collect all motifs, item sets and recipes and furnishing plans.

collecting furnishing plans doesn't give you achievements so do you also collect all purchasable furnishings?
if yes you locked yourself out of pvp furnishings from the other alliances

Jamie_Aubrey · March 2023

And the Quests part is bugged and not counting ( At least for AD )

Jamie_Aubrey · March 2023

ArchMikem wrote: »

Jamie_Aubrey wrote: »

Tensar wrote: »

Nice you can't unlock pvp achievement with staying loyal to your alliance. It's stupid

Like people are loyal anyway

Hi, all my characters are EP, how you doing.

Do they even realize how long this is going to take people, the defeat 1,500 players alone, for those who aren't particularly good/powerful in PvP? Takes me a good hour or two to complete that Defeat 40 daily quest and that's during prime time in zerg fights where I have allies to soften up and draw attention.

And all mine are AD but everyone else say they don't care about the faction etc also kill 40 is borked in groups, better doing it solo

Urvoth · March 2023

Wow so people who only play one character and/or stick to one alliance are automatically locked out from getting these unless they pay for alliance change tokens? That's just absurd.

Vulkunne · March 2023

Parrot1986 wrote: »

These new achievements are really shocking. I've got 18 characters, all EP, and effectively am now excluded from being able to get these achievements.

I have 18 characters will crafting maxed out, traits researched, mounts levelled so deleting one or two is a massive amount or re-work.

Or alternatively I can pay IRL money and get an alliance change from the crown store just to go and get these which is really poor.

There are no other achievements in the game restricted like this and it just screams as a way to get people to pay for something from the crown store.

Can we get some update on why these were added so long post launch when a lot of people will be in a similar position to myself? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin

My mind is *blown*. I mean... how could they?

Jaraal · March 2023

Jamie_Aubrey wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Jamie_Aubrey wrote: »

Tensar wrote: »

Nice you can't unlock pvp achievement with staying loyal to your alliance. It's stupid

Like people are loyal anyway

Hi, all my characters are EP, how you doing.

Do they even realize how long this is going to take people, the defeat 1,500 players alone, for those who aren't particularly good/powerful in PvP? Takes me a good hour or two to complete that Defeat 40 daily quest and that's during prime time in zerg fights where I have allies to soften up and draw attention.

And all mine are AD but everyone else say they don't care about the faction etc also kill 40 is borked in groups, better doing it solo

Yes you have to get the KB in a group, whereas solo you can get credit for an assist. Why ZOS decided to penalize group play like that is one of many great unknowns.

colossalvoids · March 2023

LunaFlora wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

if you only have characters in one alliance why would you want the other alliance tattoos?

Who wants alliance tattoos? Struggling to see where that was even relevant to any of my points I’ve raised.

Name another achievement in the game that has been implemented 9 years after launch which is impacted and restricts people by decisions they’ve made years ago and leaves them needing to pay money or delete characters to achieve them.

Because why else would completing the achievement matter? Nothing else is locked behind it as far as I can see. Naturally most of us assume that you are frustrated at potentially be locked out of some reward or why else the objection?

The title states the achievements, none of my posts ever mention caring about the cosmetics. I like to play as a completionist and go to complete all the achievements ultimately, collect all motifs, item sets and recipes and furnishing plans.

collecting furnishing plans doesn't give you achievements so do you also collect all purchasable furnishings?
if yes you locked yourself out of pvp furnishings from the other alliances

There are add-ons tracking recipes and plans for completionists, a lot of dedicated folks do just the same thing. Not aware of anyone "collecting all purchasable furnishings" though, seems rather... Different?

Parrot1986 · March 2023

UnabashedlyHonest wrote: »

It's ironic that they are adding more achievements for a zone that they neglect more than any other zone.

Aye the irony of adding this into the most neglected part of the game wasn’t lost on me either!

LunaFlora wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Parrot1986 wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

if you only have characters in one alliance why would you want the other alliance tattoos?

Who wants alliance tattoos? Struggling to see where that was even relevant to any of my points I’ve raised.

Name another achievement in the game that has been implemented 9 years after launch which is impacted and restricts people by decisions they’ve made years ago and leaves them needing to pay money or delete characters to achieve them.

Because why else would completing the achievement matter? Nothing else is locked behind it as far as I can see. Naturally most of us assume that you are frustrated at potentially be locked out of some reward or why else the objection?

The title states the achievements, none of my posts ever mention caring about the cosmetics. I like to play as a completionist and go to complete all the achievements ultimately, collect all motifs, item sets and recipes and furnishing plans.

collecting furnishing plans doesn't give you achievements so do you also collect all purchasable furnishings?
if yes you locked yourself out of pvp furnishings from the other alliances

Not purchasable items, I use codes collections addon that shows recipes collected, furnishing plans collected, motifs and sets as well as holiday event items. Essentially anything you can “learn”