How I got to CP 3600 years ago

Evilspock · March 2023

Master writs... lots of Master writs. And save your holiday buffs on alts.
ENJOY

Beilin_Balreis_Colcan · March 2023

It got me thinking about this reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/9pbtgf/psa_crafting_writs_also_have_an_experience_xp/

I really need to save up my master writs for the next XP-boosting event, then do them with event XP boost + XP scroll + enlightenment, for a triple-whammy !

oldbobdude · March 2023

I’m only in low 1700’s and have nothing to do with quite a few CP. i can’t imagine what you’d do with 3600.

Grega · March 2023

oldbobdude wrote: »

I’m only in low 1700’s and have nothing to do with quite a few CP. i can’t imagine what you’d do with 3600.

At some point in life of this game only thing he could was save 3000g on respeccing CP.

Now with presence of FREE armory system? Nothing, absolutely nothing that you can do with extra CP. after 1600.

Now….if they made green tree passive as it should have been from the beginning …. then there would actually be a point …

alternatelder · March 2023

The game hasn't even reached its 9 year mark and you're claiming to have gotten champion points 3600 years ago?
Get outta here!

FrancisCrawford · March 2023

I stopped caring around 1800-1900 CP, by which point I'd leveled up all the skills I could think of too.

Of course, there's nothing better than quest turn-in XP for leveling skills and basic skill lines. So I expect to do some master writ leveling once we have new character slots to fill.

MidniteOwl1913 · March 2023

Also about 1700 and see no reason to push higher.

SilverBride · March 2023

I'm only 1800+ and I play every day. I'll probably never reach 3600 and I've run out of things to put points into anyway. I really don't understand why they made such a high cap.

ArchMikem · March 2023

SilverBride wrote: »

I'm only 1800+ and I play every day. I'll probably never reach 3600 and I've run out of things to put points into anyway. I really don't understand why they made such a high cap.

The illusion of progression. Give us a goal that should take a long time to complete, gives the average player a "reason" to keep playing.

Low 1600s here, I kinda really just want to reach 2000 before I'm good. It's a nice round number, but another 400 points seems like it'll take a long while for me.

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom · March 2023

@Evilspock Me not realizing I can use Crown Mimic Stones to craft master writs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab7NyKw0VYQ

SilverBride · March 2023

ArchMikem wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I'm only 1800+ and I play every day. I'll probably never reach 3600 and I've run out of things to put points into anyway. I really don't understand why they made such a high cap.

The illusion of progression. Give us a goal that should take a long time to complete, gives the average player a "reason" to keep playing.

It doesn't give me a sense of progression. It just seems redundant. The only reason I even put points into my CP now is so I don't have to keep seeing that I have unspent points. It's more of an annoyance than anything.

endgamesmug · March 2023

Im more interested in grinding cp on new accounts than spending time getting to that number on my original account, theres nothing in it for me i have enough cp to be able to swap out slottables at no cost thats good enough for me.

bmnoble · March 2023

Once you hit the point where it costs 800K - 1 million+ XP per level your better off both gold and timewise just to grind somewhere like Blackrose prison, with full gold training gear and 150% XP potions/scrolls during the double XP events.

You get 40K XP from easy master writs and 60K XP from equipment ones during double XP events. You need 25 easy ones to get a million XP and just under 17 equipment ones to get the same.

Say you have reached the point where its costing you a million XP to level up and you want to gain another 10 levels, that's 250 easy master writs.

In terms of your inventory:

18 characters at the moment max inventory 215 each = 3870
480 bank space with ESO+
360 from all the storage chests.

for a total possible inventory of 4710

Assuming you manage to hoard enough master writs to fill that all up and go through all that inventory management annoyance:

Divide that by 25, only gives you roughly 188.4 levels.
Or divide that by 17, 277 and a bit levels.

You likely to have a lot less storage space available than that free to work with, even then you would have a hard time filling up all that space, then you still have to do all those writs, even with writ worthy its boring as hell.

My point with this is master writs are great for gaining a lot of CP early on but for the final push, if you intend to go for CP3600 your better off grinding, it will take you less time and less gold.

I have about 380 levels to go, I plan to finish by the end of the year or maybe even next year not going to kill myself.

mocap · March 2023

CP cap must be 5285. So you can grab all passives.

Grizzbeorn · March 2023

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

can use Crown Mimic Stones to craft master writs.

WAT?!

Caligamy_ESO · March 2023

oldbobdude wrote: »

I’m only in low 1700’s and have nothing to do with quite a few CP. i can’t imagine what you’d do with 3600.

Nothing.

You'd do nothing with them because even at 1700'ish PC you run out of things to spend them on.

Sarannah · March 2023

Grats on making it to 3600 CP years ago, it is a shame ZOS will not truly make this system endless. As right now this entire meant-to-be-endless system defeats the purpose by it not being endless.

Above 2000 CP there really is no point to rush though, as there is nothing to do after reaching 3600. And all exp you make at 3600 is basically wasted exp/time. I'm sitting at 2.6k+ CP right now, with a few hundred exp scrolls still stashed, as there is no point in rushing to get more CP. Both in terms of using those CP, and in terms of wasting exp once one reaches 3600.

Also, remember what happened when ZOS switched CP 1.0 to 2.0. One-third to two-third of the exp from players was wasted, and totally removed. The only hope for CP is if ZOS ever makes a CP 3.0 which allows players to use tens of thousands of CP's without it making too much of a difference. CP 2.0 was insufficient, and this is coming from someone who loves the game.

ApoAlaia · March 2023

Sarannah wrote: »

Grats on making it to 3600 CP years ago, it is a shame ZOS will not truly make this system endless. As right now this entire meant-to-be-endless system defeats the purpose by it not being endless.

Above 2000 CP there really is no point to rush though, as there is nothing to do after reaching 3600. And all exp you make at 3600 is basically wasted exp/time. I'm sitting at 2.6k+ CP right now, with a few hundred exp scrolls still stashed, as there is no point in rushing to get more CP. Both in terms of using those CP, and in terms of wasting exp once one reaches 3600.

Also, remember what happened when ZOS switched CP 1.0 to 2.0. One-third to two-third of the exp from players was wasted, and totally removed. The only hope for CP is if ZOS ever makes a CP 3.0 which allows players to use tens of thousands of CP's without it making too much of a difference. CP 2.0 was insufficient, and this is coming from someone who loves the game.

Yep. That didn't feel very good. I was 1.8K CP when they flattened the curve with CP 2.0 and basically wiped out a boatload of XP from my account.

Just hit 2.9k CP now but still feels like I should have gotten here much sooner.

Said that it was a useful reminder that they can basically do whatever they want, whenever they want. I had gotten way to cosy but this slapped me back into the impermanent reality of playing an MMO.

Without that slap I'd probably have quite after U35.

Jaimeh · March 2023

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

You'd do nothing with them because even at 1700'ish PC you run out of things to spend them on.

It depends on how you play, because on a DD for instance you need different blue slottables for different builds, fights, and also depending on group optimization (for eg., you might need Force of Nature for more pen, etc.), and that's true for red CP too (for eg., some HM fights require extra blocking mitigation, so you need Bracing Anchor, or extra speed with Celerity), and thus it's handy to have all of these available on the fly, without having to reallocate points before a fight, and also spend gold, and for that you need >2000cp.

Agenericname · March 2023

Jaimeh wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

You'd do nothing with them because even at 1700'ish PC you run out of things to spend them on.

It depends on how you play, because on a DD for instance you need different blue slottables for different builds, fights, and also depending on group optimization (for eg., you might need Force of Nature for more pen, etc.), and that's true for red CP too (for eg., some HM fights require extra blocking mitigation, so you need Bracing Anchor, or extra speed with Celerity), and thus it's handy to have all of these available on the fly, without having to reallocate points before a fight, and also spend gold, and for that you need >2000cp.

The green tree as well. Im just under 2200 and I still find things to spend CP on in the green tree. More speed, more gold, better fish, faster fish, more money from selling to a fence, less sneak cost, longer food/drink buff, etc. Theyre not critical, but theyre useful.

Im not going to change them frequently though, so the benefits of having them is sometimes lost on me.

Holycannoli · March 2023

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

@Evilspock Me not realizing I can use Crown Mimic Stones to craft master writs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab7NyKw0VYQ

Wait what?? Crown Mimic Stones for master writs?

You mean I don't have to keep hoarding all these writs because I don't have the motifs?

Supreme_Atromancer · March 2023

Sarannah wrote: »

Grats on making it to 3600 CP years ago, it is a shame ZOS will not truly make this system endless. As right now this entire meant-to-be-endless system defeats the purpose by it not being endless.

Above 2000 CP there really is no point to rush though, as there is nothing to do after reaching 3600. And all exp you make at 3600 is basically wasted exp/time. I'm sitting at 2.6k+ CP right now, with a few hundred exp scrolls still stashed, as there is no point in rushing to get more CP. Both in terms of using those CP, and in terms of wasting exp once one reaches 3600.

Also, remember what happened when ZOS switched CP 1.0 to 2.0. One-third to two-third of the exp from players was wasted, and totally removed. The only hope for CP is if ZOS ever makes a CP 3.0 which allows players to use tens of thousands of CP's without it making too much of a difference. CP 2.0 was insufficient, and this is coming from someone who loves the game.

Yeah, I tend to agree.

It misses the mark on the stated intention of "horizontal progression", because as soon as you have enough CP to get 4 slottables, (1600?) you've essentially attained the greatest breadth of horizontal progression possible. Its therefore unrewarding for anyone above that level, and can't handle a sense of progression in anything but the most cosmetic, or achievement sense.

I don't think its game breaking, and I think its probably hard to get it to a state where its completely satisfying for every player, regardless of where they are at in their journey. I also suspect that there are magnitudes more people below CP1600 than there are above.

I do think the system could be improved, though. I love the idea of horizontal progression, and I think the CP system has the potential to truly offer that. I think it would be great if they someday get around to re-evaluating whether the system really achieves "horizontal progression" in a meaningful and satisfying way, from the first CP to the last.

Sidonius · March 2023

Yes congratulations. Accruing CP this way is maybe why some LvCP 1500+ still have trouble in random normals.

joergino · March 2023

Holycannoli wrote: »

Wait what?? Crown Mimic Stones for master writs?

You mean I don't have to keep hoarding all these writs because I don't have the motifs?

You definitely need the motifs. But the required style stones can be substituted by crown mimic stones.

Khenarthi · March 2023

I'm at 2900+ CP by saving my master writs and daily reward 150% XP scrolls and using them up during double XP events... not that I need more CP, but there's something very satisfying in that visible increase. Otherwise it feels that at this point the XP/CP bar hardly moves.

It also makes for some funny moments when I get random people asking me to run them through vet DLC HM and hard achievements, assuming I am good at that stuff because of high CP numbers. Sorry friend, but that number there is a very poor indication of my skill. It just means I craft frequently and like optimising the Master Writ rewards.

bmnoble · March 2023

Sidonius wrote: »

Yes congratulations. Accruing CP this way is maybe why some LvCP 1500+ still have trouble in random normals.

They could have gotten to CP1500 by grinding dolmens, Spellscar, Skyreach, Blackrose prison or any other relatively quick grinding method. I remember the days when CP810 was the usable cap, still had plenty of players that had trouble in random normals even back then.

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

oldbobdude wrote: »

I’m only in low 1700’s and have nothing to do with quite a few CP. i can’t imagine what you’d do with 3600.

Nothing.

You'd do nothing with them because even at 1700'ish PC you run out of things to spend them on.

True when it comes to the blue and red trees, the points just sit there, the green tree however has stuff that is nice to have unlocked, not needed just nice, without having to change builds or respec your champion points. Even then around CP2500 you should have most of the important ones unlocked, with most of your points used up.

disintegr8 · March 2023

The CP revamp made the cap of 3600 CP pretty much useless and just another goal for people to aim for when they run out of anything else to do. I'm at 1762, have all of the CP passives unlocked and still have enough points for all of the slottable skills I need.

As has been said, higher CP does not equal a better player. I'd suggest that there are players over 2000 CP that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, while some 500 CP players can run vet trials with ease. It comes down to what you focus on and what you enjoy doing.

The green tree is the least beneficial to anyone like me and is pretty much a complete waste for long time players. I have 18 characters at level 50 on all crafting lines and they are all at least 8 trait crafters. Even in other trees, being 'forced' to use points on something like Inspiration boost to unlock wanted skills is a waste.

WeylandLabs · March 2023

I'm sure this was pre econ market inflation 😂

Redguards_Revenge · March 2023

can you show us your hours in game btw? just curious...

Tenthirty2 · March 2023

Just going to post this for perspective bcz IMO the title of this thread is a tad misleading

I'd already been saving up writs to do this very thing, the Explorer's Event popped up so why not.
Most values are approximate. Close, but still appx as I was only eye-balling it to see how much of a gain I'd get.

Started at CP1837
Master writs done appx 50-ish

Event XP boost 100%
GGC XP Scroll another 150%
ESO+ another 10%
In total 260% XP boosted

After writ turn-ins I made it to CP 1843
Gold gained appx 50k

So yeah, I made 5 CPs which is actually pretty good considering how much progression slows down around CP1600 or so.
I ended out the night at CP 1844 by turning in all my dailies from N. Elsweyr, Wrothgar, High Isle, Galen and Murkmire.
There was also random non-event related XP in there from killing a few extra dragons and an Orcrest run.

Will I bother with it again? Meh, maybe.

Now for players who are sub CP1000 I absolutely think it would be worth it, you'll jump quite a few CPs.
But like I mention, somewhere around CP 1600+ you can feel the slog kick in, you no longer get a CP or 2 just from turning in dailies, etc.

I think OPs method is sound logic, but I'm not going to see CP3600 doing boosted master writs anytime soon.

The title of the their vid is more to the point than this thread title.
You can gain nice chunks of XP and gold but "Massive" is subjective and I think only can apply to much lower CP characters.
YMMV of course

Tensar · March 2023

Sarannah wrote: »

Grats on making it to 3600 CP years ago, it is a shame ZOS will not truly make this system endless. As right now this entire meant-to-be-endless system defeats the purpose by it not being endless.

Above 2000 CP there really is no point to rush though, as there is nothing to do after reaching 3600. And all exp you make at 3600 is basically wasted exp/time. I'm sitting at 2.6k+ CP right now, with a few hundred exp scrolls still stashed, as there is no point in rushing to get more CP. Both in terms of using those CP, and in terms of wasting exp once one reaches 3600.

Also, remember what happened when ZOS switched CP 1.0 to 2.0. One-third to two-third of the exp from players was wasted, and totally removed. The only hope for CP is if ZOS ever makes a CP 3.0 which allows players to use tens of thousands of CP's without it making too much of a difference. CP 2.0 was insufficient, and this is coming from someone who loves the game.

This

I am just 1000+ and I would like it to be endless. Actually the level is high for nothing. It should really be endless. Why not make it endless? It harm nobody and just give a (fake without stats) sense of progression.