Pact Advocate [Spoilers] not for the fragile disposition

Shiaxi · May 2014

OuterFlabia wrote: »

Why do people seem to think that the khajit is not bound by the pact? is the cat in the forest? is it alive? then it is bound by the pact! Simply because the Bosmer made the pact first, does not mean that it does not apply to all the bosmer allow into their realm.

... because even the Bosmer themselves often concede that outsiders are not really bound by the pact... as seen in multiple conversations and encounters; in particular one where there is a khajit who picked flowers to eat (although it's one of the encounters bound to the mediator achievement and you have a bearing on the outcome of it)

Still_Mind · May 2014

Dura Lex Sed Lex. Violating the Law knowingly and willingly, being aware of the consequences, and attempting to set another person up results in punishment. This is textbook justice.

Not like they didn't have other ways. They didn't even attempt to contact Aldmeri or Bandaari healers, who aren't bound by the Green Pact, and they should have done it as soon as they saw that the Spinner's concoctions don't pack the required punch.

mandrakethebard_ESO · June 2014

nexmilitis wrote: »

I disagreed with the whole quest and find the Green Pact rather disturbing as an ideal. Personally, I would have rather slaughtered the tree spirit and be done with the whole GP peace then let that poor woman die. However, that wasn't even an option. An alternative option, which would have allowed the quest to remain on course, was to accuse one of the GP adherents to the "crime" of picking a flower (a FLOWER), and let them be sacrificed to their "wonderful" tree god...

Well, it's an agreement made between one sentience and another. They didn't have to make the agreement in the first place, but they did and enjoy the benefits *and* the consequences.

jesterstear wrote: »

The way I see it, they made a pact with the devil to live in a forest that doesn't want animal life there - period. Someone breaks the pact and the devil collects his due. Maybe the villagers could just have left this forest instead of killing one of their own , but there you go. The GP makes an impossible moral problem but you have to bear in mind it makes no sense at all even within the confines of the game world.

The situation does make sense in the context of the game world. As I stated before, they agreed to a pact that got them something in return, so they have no right to just turn their back on it because it's suddenly inconvenient.

Rayadrel wrote: »

Well the truth of the matter is the Dominion has to kiss the Bosmer's rear even if it means putting up with their rubbish culture and to be fair the Bosmer are beholden to an actual psychotic deity who can and will screw them over if they don't do what she says, and I mean screwed over as in "entire forest rises up to murder them".
So the outcome is consistent and makes sense.

The Bosmer culture is much more straightforward and honorable than the Altmer conquerors they're forced to deal with. At least they keep their word.

As for all of your opinions as to the supposed insanity of the Bosmer religion, I guess you've got a point. Making deals with deities that do things like forcing you to toss out your daughters to be violated by a mob instead of that deity's messenger, or turning you into a pillar of salt for looking over your shoulder, or insisting that you sacrifice your own child to appease them, or flooding your entire planet for 40 days and nights 'cause they're unhappy with you, just isn't a good idea. Let's face it, some deities just have anger issues.

Neutronium_Dragon · June 2014

The lore surrounding the Green Pact also strongly suggests that without it the bosmer wouldn't actually be bosmer in the first place, since Y'ffre's patronage stabilized their natures (and forms) as they are, so the Green Pact isn't just about keeping the forest quiescent (and it's understandable why they take it so seriously).

mrappb14_ESO · July 2014

I spared the Khajiit since my toon is also a khajiit. We cats need to stick together!

Hurbster · July 2014

Wanted the option to come back and burn the forest down. That's what you do when veggies get cheeky.

MMMBELD · October 2014

Playing through this bit as a Altmer, I found the entire thing barbaric and distasteful, lol. I said the guys wife was guilty (she orchestrated it) yet I did not expect the evil plant to chant "blood for blood" the entire time I was running out of the decision chamber.

The green pact is [snip] up, ha!

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Stautmeister · October 2014

The bosmer scared me a couple of times, this wasnt even the worst.
In Reapers marsh there is a quest where a mage does a spell incorrectly because of a deadric altar nearby. You help him cleanse the alter and move to the village.
Its called A questionable contract.
His Wife is drugged and tied to a stone altar while he is locked.

He himself is locked in a room.
They put him there because they want to feed him his sins
The quest ffing implies they wanted to kill his wife and feed him her remains.
THE BOSMER WANTED TO FEED A MAN THE FLESH OF HIS WIFE. because he accidentally summoned deadra.

In another quest in grahtwood(i believe) it is stated that the bosmer used to eat the flesh of their enemies. Their enemies used this against them by poisoning themselves.

I seriously went [snip] when i read these both quests.

This lady broke a holy agreement, whatever, die for it. You live by the rules, you die by the rules.

Feed you the flesh of your wife because you made an error not of your fault...
Now thats just sick.

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yiasemi · October 2014

They do mention that the eating people thing is very old-fashioned, the leader of the clan that ate the poisoned flesh is referred to as an old-time traditionalist, and his isolated and primitive clan (as viewed by other Bosmer) only did it because he was very successful as leader. The other Bosmer were desperate for someone to come along and save them from having to do this, they had believed the mage who was basically a Walter Mitty type, living in his own imaginary, made up world of self-delusion, and so they had never considered they might actually be forced into such a horrible act.
As for the execution, I thought it was obviously a shoe-horned plot to make us see what enacting a death penalty is like. Not in my country, but in many others the death penalty still exists for some crimes. And those who do not carry it out are often quite complacent and supportive. Good stories should make us think. I agree the Bosmer are one of the better realised races. This sudden culture shock is very real to those of us who have worked as ex-pats in other countries for any length of time. What you take for granted and normal, others regard as stupidity, or even in worst case scenarios a crime. And until that moment you were happily living in your bubble. Until the pop....

Sungam · July 2015

This is just another mission that shows how life is gray in shades and justice is black n white. All 3 are guilty of the crime . The spinner hired the merchant to acquire the plant to save his terminal wife. The merchant did the job he was hired for and the wife knowing the penalty took the meds. While all are guilty, the fact that there is no leniency is cold hearted at best.remember !! The greatest and most successful serial killer is 'mother nature'.

sagesourceb16_ESO · October 2015

Hurbster wrote: »

Wanted the option to come back and burn the forest down. That's what you do when veggies get cheeky.

Yes. I like forests, usually. This was the only time that I wished I could turn the whole damned place into a supermarket parking lot.

TheNephilimCrow · October 2015

Personally, having some deep understanding of the Green Pact and the lore behind it and also with the understanding of love and the choices some people make to save the ones they care about, I chose the merchant.

The Spinner was trying to save his wife, the wife didn't want to die. The merchant just wanted profit. Which is worse, in my opinion, then wanting to live or save your loved one. He didn't care if she lived or died. He cared about fattening his purse with coin. He threw away all sense of honor and loyalty to the Green Pact.

A harder choice would have been if the Merchant helped them for free, because he did not want to see the sadness.

But, Money over everything, it seems.

fxeconomisteb17_ESO · March 2016

There is evidence against all of them, but I accused the spinner. The Khajiit was not bound by the pact, because he wasn't a Bosmer. That leaves the spinner and his wife. She was very ill so she can't be blamed for looking for a solution to have the plant. From this point of view the husband can't be blamed either ; however he decides to circumvent the Pact, by sending one not bound by the Pact to cut the flower. Here the risks get reduced, as the Khajiit is actually guilty for cutting the flower: either the Khajiit is exempt for not being part of the pact, or is executed for doing so on behalf of the spinner, knowing that is a breach. The spinner's solution is immoral only to the extent of the Khajiit not understanding the risks ; if the Khajiit understands the risks, the solution is optimal. The quest sucks as the forest does not show any leniency for the necessity of the act.

EdmundTowers · March 2016

Would like option to burn down forest instead. Thanks. Just kidding. I chose the khajit cuz he physically cut the silly flower which caused all the problems. However, when I took him down to that chamber and saw what was going to happen, I wanted to save him instead. To hell with their green pact. But you dont get the option to stop it. Sad. I tend to avoid that quest whenever im in Ghratwood with an alt.

I find it funny how the quest giver, the little bosmer girl, chases you all over the forest yelling Help and when you finally talk to her she snaps her fingers, points, and goes throgh this whole routine of hand signals like shes some sort of cheerleader. Anyone else notice that?

SLackerLX · April 2017

AM I part of this setting? IS my collecting flowers for alchemy goes against the GP? Bosmer also have alchemists who use flowers. How does that work?
But I agree that the woman was an instigator. Cat was just a weapon which fired the shot

WhiteCoatSyndrome · April 2017

Stautmeister wrote: »

He himself is locked in a room.
They put him there because they want to feed him his sins
The quest ffing implies they wanted to kill his wife and feed him her remains.
THE BOSMER WANTED TO FEED A MAN THE FLESH OF HIS WIFE. because he accidentally summoned deadra.

In another quest in grahtwood(i believe) it is stated that the bosmer used to eat the flesh of their enemies. Their enemies used this against them by poisoning themselves.

I seriously went [snip] when i read these both quests.

This lady broke a holy agreement, whatever, die for it. You live by the rules, you die by the rules.

Feed you the flesh of your wife because you made an error not of your fault...
Now thats just sick.

It's been a while since I've done that quest, but as I recall they didn't know that mass Daedra summoning was an accident; finding this out is how you get the wife freed.

fxeconomisteb17_ESO wrote: »

From this point of view the husband can't be blamed either ; however he decides to circumvent the Pact, by sending one not bound by the Pact to cut the flower.

@fxeconomisteb17_ESO ...Um, what? It was the wife that hired the merchant.

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ADarklore · April 2017

In all honesty, I have absolutely NO sympathy for the woman. If you talk to her after collecting the items that convict her, she is full of attitude and acts completely unrepentant. It isn't until you convict her, then talk to her, does she actually show any remorse... but it's more about HER and how SHE wanted to live, not about her people or the impact it would have on them. Also consider that she was fully OK with you convicting the Khajiit or her husband to save herself, both of whom are innocent; the Khajiit is NOT a Bosmer and should not be held liable for any 'Green Pact' violations... especially since it was her who convinced the Khajiit to do it. Her husband, completely innocent all around.

She is a selfish person and deserves what she got. Now each time I run this quest I always pick her and don't think twice about it.

SALLEE · April 2017

I chose Gathiel and it was correct, I chose diary and chart I think, had so many tries at this then finally accepted, was told to escort her to punishment but it would not complete. Game just so full of bugs it really is ridiculous.

SALLEE

Jayman1000 · June 2018

jesterstear wrote: »

I've gotten used to this game giving me options when ending a quest chain. A murderer, a spy, a traitor, mad scientist, crazed violent alcoholic, have all been apprehended, and it's my choice whether to let them live or die. I'll be honest, I killed most of them. If they took lives, or assisted another in doing so (that doctor who was abducting townsfolk to feed to his vampire son) i'm not going to stop a grieving relative taking revenge.

Then this Green Pact quest comes along, you have to find the one that violated the green pact and caused the wild life to turn feral. I'll be honest, I maybe have a bias against the Bosmer and their religion being a RL vegetarian. Previous quests set the stage with you having to put down an insurrection rescue a poor Khajit from getting his arm cut off by some GP zealot.

So, you find out that a villager with a terminal illness who is going to die unless she picks a rare flower to make a cure, is the one responsible for causing the situation.

I was fully expecting an option to show her leniency, or even fight your way out of their cave with this poor woman. Instead , the only option is to personally lead her to execution! Even at the last moment I was hoping the plant spirits would announce it had all been a test of faith or whatever, but no, we are going to burn our witch.

Feel a bit weird about the whole thing. This quest should come with a warning!

Just did this quest. [snip]

This whole quest just made me want to burn down the forest. The sentient forest is clearly a psychopathic blood-hungry monster. Just look at the huge pile of bones in the "judgement chamber". Lots of human skulls in there

(And yes I know this thread is soon half a decade old, so what.)

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Enslaved · June 2018

Lady had to die. 15 times.
She knew about green pact.
Its her culture/religion/etc.
If I had option I would rather burn the bloody tree.
Khajiit is innocent of this crime.
That other bosmer dude had to live, he is way too important for his community, being the only alchemist/medic in that village.
This quest teaches children how extremism of any kind is bad. I fail to see how is this different than stone throwing till death on females in some countries irl. Entire quest is very stupid, imho.

RD065 · September 2018

I hated where this was going with a thousand suns so I abandoned this quest.. It's a flower. So I started killing those Spriggan's and Tigers.

Melilotta · November 2022

Hate this quest! Among other things, we'll never know for sure who placed the anonymous order for the flower, the husband or the wife. Both deny it, and either could do it.

ZOS_Icy · November 2022

Greetings,

We have closed this topic as it was originally created in April 2014. In many cases, it's better to create a new thread on a topic that you want to discuss as opposed to bumping one that is rather old.

Thank you for your understanding.