Amottica wrote: »

baltic1284 wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

baltic1284 wrote: »

FluffWit wrote: »

I've done a lot of pvp over like 6 years and only had hate mail like half a dozen times.

I'm pretty chill but most people in Cyrodiil and especially the IC just attack any enemy they see without even thinking about it. I don't hate on them, killing players is the basic objective of those zones.

I don't hate the person for doing it but at the same time if the person is there just to watch and get tel var without pvping at least respect it or if they ask you if they can move by without issue don't just attack theme to prove a point and then do the usual not accepting stuff.
For all you know they might just want the armor for how it looks or to collect for their collection and move on, you never know but i got treated wasn't needed or necessary.

The driving factor for PvP in IC is Tel Var as can get a lot more Tel Var from a player than an NPC. In such a zone the core tenant is to respect the design.

Heck, asking a player to let you pass without any PvP may make them think you have a lot of Tel Var which makes it very tempting for them to get your Tel Var. One post noted the armor can be purchased from other players. Maybe something to consider.

What's funny I just did well over 4000 tal var in a day that is excluding the 1500 free tal var i got from just killing Imperial soldiers so your valued post there nope don't buy it as i just did it and can easily prove you wrong.

You proved nothing wrong. Merely what you ahve done with Tel var and no player can tell how much Tel var another has on them until they kill them.

What I stated is an absolute fact concerning the design of IC and why when anyone steps foot into that zone they are opening themselves up to PvP without question or exception.

Yes, I did you can make a lot of Tal Var without having to go around kill other players that don't want to be that simple.

I do not like PVP. I am no good at it...

But all players are fair game in PVP zones, that's the point of PVP zones, there is no such thing as non-participation in them. If you run away, you still have to be fast enough to get away, or sneaky enough not to be spotted. And, terrible as I am at PVP (and my main is basically a PVE tank of about medium standard, not really up to the hardest vet DLC dungeons), I will every so often start a fight against someone who looks like they're trying to avoid other players just because there's a chance I might actually win it. I have about a 40% success rate when actually picking opponents in that way... and about a 5% success rate when an opponent picks me...

But I NEVER whisper to opponents, before or after the fight, regardless of how it ended. I also don't insult people in the chat. And racist, sexist or other bigoted language is an absolute no-no, and people really should be reported for it.

baltic1284 wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

baltic1284 wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

baltic1284 wrote: »

FluffWit wrote: »

I've done a lot of pvp over like 6 years and only had hate mail like half a dozen times.

I'm pretty chill but most people in Cyrodiil and especially the IC just attack any enemy they see without even thinking about it. I don't hate on them, killing players is the basic objective of those zones.

I don't hate the person for doing it but at the same time if the person is there just to watch and get tel var without pvping at least respect it or if they ask you if they can move by without issue don't just attack theme to prove a point and then do the usual not accepting stuff.
For all you know they might just want the armor for how it looks or to collect for their collection and move on, you never know but i got treated wasn't needed or necessary.

The driving factor for PvP in IC is Tel Var as can get a lot more Tel Var from a player than an NPC. In such a zone the core tenant is to respect the design.

Heck, asking a player to let you pass without any PvP may make them think you have a lot of Tel Var which makes it very tempting for them to get your Tel Var. One post noted the armor can be purchased from other players. Maybe something to consider.

What's funny I just did well over 4000 tal var in a day that is excluding the 1500 free tal var i got from just killing Imperial soldiers so your valued post there nope don't buy it as i just did it and can easily prove you wrong.

You proved nothing wrong. Merely what you ahve done with Tel var and no player can tell how much Tel var another has on them until they kill them.

What I stated is an absolute fact concerning the design of IC and why when anyone steps foot into that zone they are opening themselves up to PvP without question or exception.

Yes, I did you can make a lot of Tal Var without having to go around kill other players that don't want to be that simple.

As is clearly stated in the Tel Var Guide that ZOS posted and I linked, it is indeed possible to farm plenty of Tel Var from NPCs and Bosses and Quests in Imperial City.

And its also clearly stated that when you die to an enemy player in the course of doing those activities, that enemy player gets half of the Tel Var you are carrying. Thus, it's also possible and to farm lots of Tel Var from killing enemy players (depending on how much they are carrying at the time) and a fair bit of the strategy of Imperial City revolves around gaining Tel Var and then getting to safety with it.

The players who killed you were playing as intended. The guides I linked earlier have a fair bit of advice for what you could do differently next time to get your Tel Var safely back to a bank.

They were disrespectful when they insulted you, to be clear.

But killing another player in a PvPvE zone that explicitly encourages killing players for the Tel Var they carry is not disrespectful. You were farming Tel Var; you were 100% a fair target even to the sort of people who don't generally kill questers.

Rogue_WolfESO wrote: »

baltic1284 wrote: »

Well, this is interesting another PvP player that was being toxic reports me for him or her saying racial slurs in the game. A person calling me racial slurs drags a PvP match into my area for no reason i go to leave and that player purposely targets me so i lose 4000 tal var stones for not participating in PvP. All cause i rewfused to participate in PvP and just want the Imerial armor and weapons collection from Imperial city talk about being harassed and bullied, then goes on to report me for it.
So sad if you ask me doesn't make feel wanted in the Cyrodill or Imperial city or in the game anymore when i get treated like this by the PvP community for just simply wanting my cut of the game i denied access to by a few of the community something has to change seriously. Just feel unwanted by the community and staff anymore. When i can be harrassed and bullied and hated on day in and day out by a small group of the community and that community can do it whenever they want to and i cant even defend myself from theme.

Not all pvp players are toxic. I am going to try and help you. You said you can easily get 4000 telvar stones, so I assume you know what to do there. Please try not to get discouraged, you can increase your odds of survival and success in IC if you remember to stay hidden (stealth) as much as possible when moving around the map. Get some invisibility potions and slot them to use in case you get caught.
Once you have a good number of telvar in your possession, use this trick to increase your chances of getting out with them all without having someone kill you and take them. While in stealth (hidden), queue for cyrodiil, try to pick a campaign with no population so the queue is instant. This will teleport you out of anywhere you are in IC. Now, you can safely queue back to IC and bank your telvar. Rinse and repeat!

Are all PvP players toxic no that's generally impossible, but are large majority of theme toxic, yes, and that is unfortunate, and does need to change with in that part of the community. Did I make back what i lost and also proved a lot too that, many are not facing at the moment, which is also very sad. The fact I'm not interested in PvP and just simply want to collect the armor that is there for collection purpose and such or sell purpose, to get treated the I have been isn't right either and I'm not seeing a lot of the PvP community going yeah he does have a point not all that go there are interested in it and as a member of that community I should realize that yeah i may be a source of some of that maybe be more understanding of that.
All I have to say on this, if you are that way and absolutely want PvP to be denied to anyone and everyone from PvP which by the way that is how it is coming across whether that is your intent or not, if a PVE is protected from participating in PvP just to collect armor does it affect you as a player no, there are others that will PvP just like you, there is also other ways and means of getting Tal Var also that can compensate you for you apparent lose. I just proved yesterday by making 4 000 tal var in single run in less than a few hours.
I do find it funny of those that are like that and do fall in that category take a lot of their PvP to PVE zones only threw duals and such which is PvP no matter how does it, and yet you don't see nearly as many or ever PVE players screaming to kick you out or make you feel unwanted to the game. I see a lot of this kind of attitude from those in the PvP community that act that way, have I seen many PvP players generally leave me alone seeing I'm not really going after theme yes and they leave me alone to do my thing and I do the same and we move along. I remember when they decided to add bank space for Tal Var and such and the PvP community going completely Nutz over that with posts going then why PvP you killing it if a player can just store there Tal Var then I want to be able steal it and such.
How i got treated yesterday yeah was sad but i have moved on one player did represent that part of the Community cause those they are understanding and generally do see the point are not speaking up and defending and looking at those that give that part of the community the reputation it now has a different view. For as i see it at this point. I have been denied access to a section of the game to play as i want as is said by the company and generally makes me feel unwanted and accepted by that part of the community in anyway. How some have posted here just enforces that feeling will you disagree yes, doesn't mean treat me the way I have been as of late either. If you want more players to PvP cause i have seen it is very few in IC or Cyrodill anymore for PvP actions, deems desolate and empty and sad part is the PvP community did it to themselves and won't even admit it and or face they played a part in that, on how they have treated players that enter the area to do their thing and then treat theme in such a manner.
It is sad really absolutely sad that part of the community has done this to themselves and yet say well we have to PVE no you don't, you can do Dual's in a PVE zone and not participate in any PVE stuff. I guarantee that there will be less of the PVE community screaming at you to leave cause you're not doing it their way or the way it supposed to be done and make you feel unwanted in the game over that. Yet do the same in PvP and get treated poorly and hated on and get unwelcomed all the time is just sad the community has come to this in any shape or form really.

geonsocal wrote: »

@baltic1284 , wishing you the best rest of your day...

just figuring out a way to be happy and enjoy the day is by far the greatest revenge you'll ever achieve...

be thankful you are not them...

I am trust i am pretty open to anyone and how they play if they want to be left alone message me saying if they can pass, I just say give me bit clear this up and by all means go for it. But again, it is as it is now days.

baltic1284 wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

baltic1284 wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

baltic1284 wrote: »

FluffWit wrote: »

I've done a lot of pvp over like 6 years and only had hate mail like half a dozen times.

I'm pretty chill but most people in Cyrodiil and especially the IC just attack any enemy they see without even thinking about it. I don't hate on them, killing players is the basic objective of those zones.

I don't hate the person for doing it but at the same time if the person is there just to watch and get tel var without pvping at least respect it or if they ask you if they can move by without issue don't just attack theme to prove a point and then do the usual not accepting stuff.
For all you know they might just want the armor for how it looks or to collect for their collection and move on, you never know but i got treated wasn't needed or necessary.

The driving factor for PvP in IC is Tel Var as can get a lot more Tel Var from a player than an NPC. In such a zone the core tenant is to respect the design.

Heck, asking a player to let you pass without any PvP may make them think you have a lot of Tel Var which makes it very tempting for them to get your Tel Var. One post noted the armor can be purchased from other players. Maybe something to consider.

What's funny I just did well over 4000 tal var in a day that is excluding the 1500 free tal var i got from just killing Imperial soldiers so your valued post there nope don't buy it as i just did it and can easily prove you wrong.

You proved nothing wrong. Merely what you ahve done with Tel var and no player can tell how much Tel var another has on them until they kill them.

What I stated is an absolute fact concerning the design of IC and why when anyone steps foot into that zone they are opening themselves up to PvP without question or exception.

Yes, I did you can make a lot of Tal Var without having to go around kill other players that don't want to be that simple.

I did not suggest we could not make a lot of Tel Var by killing only NPCs. I merely stated the indisputable fact that one can get a lot more Tel Var from killing a player who is farming Tel Var. The multiplier increases the amount of Tel Var we gain based on how much Tel Var we have in our bags is designed that way to encourage carrying Tel Var in order to keep PvP a focus in that Zone and asking a player for safe passage is probably sending them a message there is a lot of Tel Var available for the taking.

Regardless, the fact remains that outside of the main bases for each alliance IC is a PVP zone and any player entering can expect to be a target, without exception.