Many reasons.

• Premade 4v4v4 must fight in modes that are not Deathmatch. For example, in a competitive 4v4v4 you will accidently walk over the chaosball during sweaty fights and the objective score will start to tick. Your team starts taking damage and the only solution is to kill yourself so the chaosball respawns and nobody has it.
• No grace period for rejoining the battleground after a disconnect or client crash. This is detrimental in competitive Deathmatch premades.
• BG queues designed to place PvE questers and Deathmatch players in the same game is not a good design.
• PvE questers play objectives and think they "won" the match with the score 500-45-30 but they're really just rude and force everyone else back into queue for 10-15 minutes. Deathmatch players are trying to enjoy the rich combat that ESO has to offer and PvE questers take that away by ending the match in < 5 minutes. Even if you join Group Queue as a premade, you almost always end up with PvE questers in the match.
• On the contrary, Deathmatch players ignore objectives and you're often on your own to get the Daily XP quest win.
• 3-team format is inappropriate for Capture the Relic and often Deathmatch. The 2 strongest teams always group up against the weakest team.
• Crazy King is designed so your teammates desert you. They run away from fights and it's very dishonorable. It's frustrating and there are many words to describe players when they do this. 4v4 fights become 1v4 fights and ded gg
• PvE selfish tanks love Domination and it's not group friendly at all. They provide very little benefit to their team and eventually die anyways. At least play a tanky healer.
• PvE questers often do not have PvP builds. They join with 16-24k health and die in 2 hits, literally. Any serious PvPers are at a major disadvantage when they have teammates like this.
• <= 20% chance to play Deathmatch based on PvPMeter statistics. If you get lucky and roll a Deathmatch, you'll end up with PvE questers on your team anyways and they feed kills to the enemy team.
• Chaosball can be cheezed with super fast movespeed builds
• No Healer role. Sometimes you'll have 3 healers on your team and the other teams have no healer.

Mostly I just feel absolutely outclassed and not by a small margin. I can admit I'm not a great pvp'er but the level of thrashing I received the few times I've bothered has been on levels I'm just not interested in.

I'm not complaining. Some people are really exceptional pvp players, but it's enough to keep me from enjoying the format. If there were enough players in the queue and a ranking system capable of matching similarly skilled players, I might enjoy it more, but I'm not sure that's really possible with the current BG population. Having one team (or even just one player on one team) obliterate everyone else, while impressive, is demoralizing enough to make it completely unenjoyable.

Non-deathmatch BGs is my favorite. While those people get a rise out of putting up their kill count, I just go straight to the objective and complete my daily. I should say I gave up pvp when the solution to winning came in the newest DLC/Chapter. Objective BGs is like a vet mode bosses trying to stop me from finishing the objective. You can't kill them alone but you can avoid them. I just go there now get tossed around and try to complete the objective. I gain more AP from BGs than boring cyro where 10k ap happens maybe every 2 -3 hours.

I used to queue BGs quite a bit, but they can be pretty hit and miss, and for that reason I've been doing a lot more in Cyro now.

1. The modes need to be redesigned. CK and Domination don't promote a healthy balance between PvP combat and Objective play because of the amount of flags that spawn and the size of the maps. In Chaosball there are too many hard to reach areas of the maps that can be exploited and too often it becomes a game of chase, which leads to a chaotic DM at best (at that point I would rather DM and be rewarded for the effort). CTR should not be a 4x4x4 mode. Quite often 2 teams become locked in combat over a relic, and the 3rd is free to capture the other without contest. Or 2 teams descend on the 'weaker' team to secure an easy win.

2. Mixing DM only with Objective only players has been an experience... and not a positive one. It's created both a hostile and chaotic atmosphere as teammates are not on the same page. I don't want to keep beating a dead horse, but completely separate queues would be beneficial to the community as whole. Not only would that allow for players to be guaranteed the mode they want, and therefore, be of a similar mindset, but a separate Objective mode would be much more friendly towards new/inexperienced players, as the more sweaty players would more often be in DM.

3. Players seem to be unsure of how the personal scoring in matches actually works. How much does medal scoring actually count towards the final score, or is it just based on achieving the objective?

Greetings,

After review of this thread, seeing as it is in regards to Battlegrounds, we have moved it to the Battlegrounds and Dueling section.

I tend towards solo play most of the time, but winding up in a few groups that only had two other people (vs. full teams of four) on the rare occasions I tried Battlegrounds did not entice me to change that.

* Unbalanced PvP with broken builds - almost every patch there are op builds and of course many people using that, which is not fun. I don't mind deaths from skilled players, I don't like deaths from broken builds.

* Lottery with team - you can have only 3 players where other teams have 4 or you have players in your team so bad, that you don't have chance of winning from beginning - for example they don't pay attention to objectives (play as deatchmatch in capture flag) or just constantly dying when light attacking everything with bow.

I realized after I clicked that the "rather play solo/larger scale" option is probably a better fit for me, but that's what I get for being tired and not reading carefully enough.

It might sound strange coming from someone whose alliance rank is 43, but I don't really like pvp. At least, I don't like the kind of pvp where every person's performance counts and if I'm not "good enough" my team loses and my teammates are pissed at me for making them waste 15 minutes. I don't like feeling like I'm wasting my own time because there will always be someone better than me and I can't win. I like the idea of contributing by playing objectives, but I don't want to be trying to play objectives with other people who just want to be murderhobos.

Now I have been known to participate in activities I don't really enjoy if the swag is enticing enough, and in other games I've tryharded my way through small-scale pvp matches for that very purpose. And there are some BG rewards (mostly fashion-related) that I wouldn't mind having. But other than the time a guildie helped me get a win for my Mayhem laurels (which took 5 or 6 matches; my guildie was not pleased) and the time I YOLOed a match on my main just to get the For Glory quest cleared, I haven't been able to work up the ambition to just do it. I suppose that's partly because I have other things I'm more apt to spend my time doing, and it's never been a habit to do the daily BG or whatever. But I also just kind of... don't want to deal. Don't want to deal with people getting on my case because my team lost or because I'm not as pro as they are. Don't want to deal with personal frustration of not being able to accomplish what I set out to do. There's a real potential for active annoyance and I just don't really need that in a game that has been remarkably good at not pissing me off over the years.

But... I like Cyrodiil. I like the chaos of big battles and the fact that I can actually contribute to keep objectives even if I suck at pvp. It's reassuring knowing that I as one person am not going to make the difference between my side winning or losing, and if I die it doesn't really matter. I don't even die as much as you might expect, and if I do, 1) there are people around to rez me so I can get right back in the fight, or 2) we were gonna get roflstomped anyway and it's not a reflection of my worth as a person. There are annoyances along the way, like choosing the wrong keep to ride to and missing out on action elsewhere or pretty much anything related to Dark Convergence, but I can roll with that stuff and just keep truckin'. And that's how I've amassed 43 ranks worth of AP and had a mostly fun time doing it.

So... tl;dr BG is the type of relatively high-pressure low-chill pvp I don't enjoy, and I have not yet been lured by shines to throw myself to the wolves, which is probably just as well as far as the wolves are concerned. But Cyro is fun to derp around in and occasionally kill people while feeling like I'm getting something out of it.

I choose other. There is NO no-deathmatch option. Its deathmatch only or random with deathmatch and all of them turn into deathmatch. This is the biggest killer of battle grounds. Folks the like to play deathmatch hate the games due to no one want to play deathmatch in those games.

2 main reasons i dont do BGs that much:

• poor AP gains (theres no AP for kills during the match, and the amount you get at the end is piddly)
• have all the gear and almost all of the outfit pages collected, so as someone who doesnt care about competitive pvp, theres not much left there for me with the poor AP gains

It is not as simple or straight forward as the poll tried to make it.

In part, it is probably the 4v4v4 model and we can add a dash of the design of some of the objective BGs. It is a little bit of both imo.

I enjoy them I just wish there was an option for No Proc Battlegrounds as the proc cheese in Battlegrounds can be very unfun to play against sometimes. I also wish you earned AP from kills, heals and doing objectives like you do in Cyrodiil.

If you don't like the BG you get, you can just play a game of TOT. At game's end you can que. I log out on Death Match if the team is scattering around or it's Eld Angavar or Mor Khazgur. Even Arcane University is tiresome. I really don't see the need for all of these maps. You can't find ppl and I've seen ppl just "hiding" until games end. Why have it where ppl can't really see what's going on?

And .. there is no MMR. I played against 2 very well known streamers that BG all the time. I haven't played BG's much in a couple of years so I know I'm no where near their "MMR".

Mostly toxic behavior like being mailed afterwords about how much of a "loser" I am. Also unhelpful teammates.