redspecter23 wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »These threads are going to multiply like rabbits if they nerf the middle tier as planned.
I got trifecta on pts yesterday on 2nd run. And I'm an average player.
If you got a trifecta, you're not an "average player". If you got it on your second attempt on the current pts, you are probably top 2% or higher. Take that as a compliment, but also understand that from that level of skill, it can be difficult to understand the struggles of players much less skilled than yourself. Players are at different levels of progression or comfortable play style. You may be at the top end, but not everyone is as skilled as you are. Anyone even finishing Vateshran on vet, not even a trifecta is most definitely not "average"
redspecter23 wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »These threads are going to multiply like rabbits if they nerf the middle tier as planned.
I got trifecta on pts yesterday on 2nd run. And I'm an average player.
If you got a trifecta, you're not an "average player". If you got it on your second attempt on the current pts, you are probably top 2% or higher. Take that as a compliment, but also understand that from that level of skill, it can be difficult to understand the struggles of players much less skilled than yourself. Players are at different levels of progression or comfortable play style. You may be at the top end, but not everyone is as skilled as you are. Anyone even finishing Vateshran on vet, not even a trifecta is most definitely not "average"
I dont do hm trials, haven't even cleared all vets. I don't also play meta. I used main, frost warden. On pts I only parse 75k with him. And considering the buffs dummy received, it only translates to about 60k on live. That's not top end by any means. 60k is currently the entry to vet trials required by most casual guilds. Sure it took me longer to clear than on live and I used the pale order but the content is still doable.
NordSwordnBoard wrote: »These threads are going to multiply like rabbits if they nerf the middle tier as planned.
I got trifecta on pts yesterday on 2nd run. And I'm an average player.
FischyJones wrote: »
Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »You will manage it OP, the first time I did complete the arena on normal I did it with my High elf sorc healer, it took me a few attempts with the minotaure as it was bugged, but once you figur out the mechanics it becomes easy. I personally like it more than Ma.
Few weeks later I was even able to complete it on Vet. Give yourself time OP, you will manage it.
Okay, if you don't want to improve your "gamer" skills, why did you enter a solo arena? If you have no desire to improve those skills, and do not wish to do anything challenging, it's not like you need the equipment from Vateshran.
I suggest going to overland, where the monsters couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
If, after some consideration, you do want to improve and kill the queen, can you tell us a bit about what class you're playing, your preference towards stam or mag, melee or ranged abilities etc. and I'm sure lots of people can offer some advice on how to survive and get past her.
And please also tell us what order you did the arena in so far - what colour did you go to first (out of red, green and blue)?
Okay, if you don't want to improve your "gamer" skills, why did you enter a solo arena? If you have no desire to improve those skills, and do not wish to do anything challenging, it's not like you need the equipment from Vateshran.
I suggest going to overland, where the monsters couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
If, after some consideration, you do want to improve and kill the queen, can you tell us a bit about what class you're playing, your preference towards stam or mag, melee or ranged abilities etc. and I'm sure lots of people can offer some advice on how to survive and get past her.
And please also tell us what order you did the arena in so far - what colour did you go to first (out of red, green and blue)?
Not OP but I'll be frank, alot of people want that Void Pitch dye because its the darkest black color in the game. I can understand skillgating for the best gear and respect those who have it, but skillgating fashion is painful to say the least
Okay, if you don't want to improve your "gamer" skills, why did you enter a solo arena? If you have no desire to improve those skills, and do not wish to do anything challenging, it's not like you need the equipment from Vateshran.
I suggest going to overland, where the monsters couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
If, after some consideration, you do want to improve and kill the queen, can you tell us a bit about what class you're playing, your preference towards stam or mag, melee or ranged abilities etc. and I'm sure lots of people can offer some advice on how to survive and get past her.
And please also tell us what order you did the arena in so far - what colour did you go to first (out of red, green and blue)?
Not OP but I'll be frank, alot of people want that Void Pitch dye because its the darkest black color in the game. I can understand skillgating for the best gear and respect those who have it, but skillgating fashion is painful to say the least
Okay, if you don't want to improve your "gamer" skills, why did you enter a solo arena? If you have no desire to improve those skills, and do not wish to do anything challenging, it's not like you need the equipment from Vateshran.
I suggest going to overland, where the monsters couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
If, after some consideration, you do want to improve and kill the queen, can you tell us a bit about what class you're playing, your preference towards stam or mag, melee or ranged abilities etc. and I'm sure lots of people can offer some advice on how to survive and get past her.
And please also tell us what order you did the arena in so far - what colour did you go to first (out of red, green and blue)?
Not OP but I'll be frank, alot of people want that Void Pitch dye because its the darkest black color in the game. I can understand skillgating for the best gear and respect those who have it, but skillgating fashion is painful to say the least
By its very nature, a dye is a form of trophy. Being able to show off that you have accomplished a task. It's almost more of a trophy than a skin, since many parts of skins awarded for even harder content are hidden by costumes and gear styles.
So, yeah, perfectly legitimate to reward players with unique things for completing challenging content. Your desire to have some fashionable accessory doesn't negate a skilled players desire to be rewarded for completing that content.
spartaxoxo wrote: »Okay, if you don't want to improve your "gamer" skills, why did you enter a solo arena? If you have no desire to improve those skills, and do not wish to do anything challenging, it's not like you need the equipment from Vateshran.
I suggest going to overland, where the monsters couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
If, after some consideration, you do want to improve and kill the queen, can you tell us a bit about what class you're playing, your preference towards stam or mag, melee or ranged abilities etc. and I'm sure lots of people can offer some advice on how to survive and get past her.
And please also tell us what order you did the arena in so far - what colour did you go to first (out of red, green and blue)?
Not OP but I'll be frank, alot of people want that Void Pitch dye because its the darkest black color in the game. I can understand skillgating for the best gear and respect those who have it, but skillgating fashion is painful to say the least
By its very nature, a dye is a form of trophy. Being able to show off that you have accomplished a task. It's almost more of a trophy than a skin, since many parts of skins awarded for even harder content are hidden by costumes and gear styles.
So, yeah, perfectly legitimate to reward players with unique things for completing challenging content. Your desire to have some fashionable accessory doesn't negate a skilled players desire to be rewarded for completing that content.
No. A dye is a cosmetic. Some people choose to look at them as trophies, including me, but it is not their very nature. They sell them in the crown store. Player desire to have challenged doesn't negate people wanting dyes from easy sources either. That is why we have dyes that can be obtained in a variety of different ways, including some that don't require gameplay at all.
It is nice when a cool dye is given as a reward for challenging content, but is not their very nature and no group has sole ownership of them as prizes.
spartaxoxo wrote: »Okay, if you don't want to improve your "gamer" skills, why did you enter a solo arena? If you have no desire to improve those skills, and do not wish to do anything challenging, it's not like you need the equipment from Vateshran.
I suggest going to overland, where the monsters couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
If, after some consideration, you do want to improve and kill the queen, can you tell us a bit about what class you're playing, your preference towards stam or mag, melee or ranged abilities etc. and I'm sure lots of people can offer some advice on how to survive and get past her.
And please also tell us what order you did the arena in so far - what colour did you go to first (out of red, green and blue)?
Not OP but I'll be frank, alot of people want that Void Pitch dye because its the darkest black color in the game. I can understand skillgating for the best gear and respect those who have it, but skillgating fashion is painful to say the least
By its very nature, a dye is a form of trophy. Being able to show off that you have accomplished a task. It's almost more of a trophy than a skin, since many parts of skins awarded for even harder content are hidden by costumes and gear styles.
So, yeah, perfectly legitimate to reward players with unique things for completing challenging content. Your desire to have some fashionable accessory doesn't negate a skilled players desire to be rewarded for completing that content.
No. A dye is a cosmetic. Some people choose to look at them as trophies, including me, but it is not their very nature. They sell them in the crown store. Player desire to have challenged doesn't negate people wanting dyes from easy sources either. That is why we have dyes that can be obtained in a variety of different ways, including some that don't require gameplay at all.
It is nice when a cool dye is given as a reward for challenging content, but is not their very nature and no group has sole ownership of them as prizes.
But, we are explicitly talking about a dye that is rewarded for doing content. Hence, a trophy. This dye, like skins awarded for challenging content, is a trophy. It is there to show off an accomplishment.
FischyJones wrote: »Okay I tried the sugestions, adjusted the build, did the route and what can I say:
I wasnt even able to finish the first arena.....
spartaxoxo wrote: »FischyJones wrote: »Okay I tried the sugestions, adjusted the build, did the route and what can I say:
I wasnt even able to finish the first arena.....
Can you make a video of what you're doing? It might help us identify your issue. They won't allow people to buy arena progress because it devalues what other people already did. They might make future dyes easier to get, but they aren't going to change past dyes to be buyable because it cheapens what people accomplished.
FischyJones wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »FischyJones wrote: »Okay I tried the sugestions, adjusted the build, did the route and what can I say:
I wasnt even able to finish the first arena.....
Can you make a video of what you're doing? It might help us identify your issue. They won't allow people to buy arena progress because it devalues what other people already did. They might make future dyes easier to get, but they aren't going to change past dyes to be buyable because it cheapens what people accomplished.
I cant ablige, I have no means of recording.
Failing this arena has really affected my mental health in a bad way and I dont think I can attempt it ever again. Ill stick to cursing the person who designed it and locked importent PvP Gear behind this challenge.
FischyJones wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »FischyJones wrote: »Okay I tried the sugestions, adjusted the build, did the route and what can I say:
I wasnt even able to finish the first arena.....
Can you make a video of what you're doing? It might help us identify your issue. They won't allow people to buy arena progress because it devalues what other people already did. They might make future dyes easier to get, but they aren't going to change past dyes to be buyable because it cheapens what people accomplished.
I cant ablige, I have no means of recording.
Failing this arena has really affected my mental health in a bad way and I dont think I can attempt it ever again. Ill stick to cursing the person who designed it and locked importent PvP Gear behind this challenge.
spartaxoxo wrote: »
I'm really sorry to hear that. It would be good to take a break from it for a while. If you ever decide to go back, let us know what you're working with and maybe some of us can help. But if not that's understandable, a game is not worth your health. At the end of the day, being good or bad at VVH doesn't mean much about your skill as a PvPers anyway.