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Vateshran Hallow is way to difficult
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Kusto✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »These threads are going to multiply like rabbits if they nerf the middle tier as planned.
I got trifecta on pts yesterday on 2nd run. And I'm an average player.
If you got a trifecta, you're not an "average player". If you got it on your second attempt on the current pts, you are probably top 2% or higher. Take that as a compliment, but also understand that from that level of skill, it can be difficult to understand the struggles of players much less skilled than yourself. Players are at different levels of progression or comfortable play style. You may be at the top end, but not everyone is as skilled as you are. Anyone even finishing Vateshran on vet, not even a trifecta is most definitely not "average"
I dont do hm trials, haven't even cleared all vets. I don't also play meta. I used main, frost warden. On pts I only parse 75k with him. And considering the buffs dummy received, it only translates to about 60k on live. That's not top end by any means. 60k is currently the entry to vet trials required by most casual guilds. Sure it took me longer to clear than on live and I used the pale order but the content is still doable.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »These threads are going to multiply like rabbits if they nerf the middle tier as planned.
I got trifecta on pts yesterday on 2nd run. And I'm an average player.
If you got a trifecta, you're not an "average player". If you got it on your second attempt on the current pts, you are probably top 2% or higher. Take that as a compliment, but also understand that from that level of skill, it can be difficult to understand the struggles of players much less skilled than yourself. Players are at different levels of progression or comfortable play style. You may be at the top end, but not everyone is as skilled as you are. Anyone even finishing Vateshran on vet, not even a trifecta is most definitely not "average"
I dont do hm trials, haven't even cleared all vets. I don't also play meta. I used main, frost warden. On pts I only parse 75k with him. And considering the buffs dummy received, it only translates to about 60k on live. That's not top end by any means. 60k is currently the entry to vet trials required by most casual guilds. Sure it took me longer to clear than on live and I used the pale order but the content is still doable.
It might feel like your average because you're far away from being able to do the most elite content, but average player is like doing like 5-10k DPS and you're doing six times that damage. You are miles away from average, even if you're also miles away from being the cream of the crop.Edited by spartaxoxo on 20 July 2022 07:0014 -
Rowjoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dont go anywhere near the award winning Darksouls games and the amazing Elden Ring then! You'll have a heart attack.
Vateshran Hollows just requires a little patience and memorizing the last boss mechanics. Doing this type of content just requires the right mindset and a little bit of focus, nothing more.
Having a walkthrough to hand and doing about half a dozen runs on normal mode, will help enormously. Then once you go vet mode you'll complete it soon enough and it's actually exhilarating and immensly satisfying.
ESO doesn't have enough challenging content - the majority of the game is so ***** 'relaxing' (easy).
If you dont want to do it because it isn't 'relaxing' (we all know you mean easy) just play the vast amount of content that is
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Thrasher91604✭✭✭✭✭Compared to poison flowers RNG, Vateshran is not frustrating. It’s just learning the mechanics and how to deal with them. I found it rewarding.4 -
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✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »These threads are going to multiply like rabbits if they nerf the middle tier as planned.
I got trifecta on pts yesterday on 2nd run. And I'm an average player.
First of all, you don't know if you are an average player, you don't have access to any data from which you can surmise this conclusion, second of all, you literally can not complete a trifecta of that place if you can't keep up a considerable damage output and if you can't outwit considerably difficult mechanics.
You mentioned in a later post that you parse a "mere 75k" on PTS dummy (which means you parse, what, 90k+ on live?), which would translate to somewhere around 20-30k in a live action setting because you can't buff your own character to parse dummy numbers. I don't mean to cast doubt on your claim to having achieved the trifecta on PTS with that output, but I find it likely means you did not take the time to get any of the buffs which are meant to make the arena a bit less strugglesome, again, that means the proficiency at which you play this game is likely far from average.
If you raid with other people in your proficiency bracket then your assessment of being average comes I'd say
from having been in that type of bubble, and not from actually being average.
From what you've described here, it seems you have plenty of experience from challenging content and that you've probably cleared a few vVH on live before testing it on the PTS. Again, this speaks contrary to the point you want to be making, which for that reason in its essence might make it come off as inflammatory.Edited by Bat on 20 July 2022 08:2915 -
Elyox✭✭✭Don't worry my friend, the next DLC patch is made for you, just gotta wait the end of august
Sometimes I do pvp, sometimes I do pve, sometimes I'm on break, sometimes I'm part of some players that can't login, that's kinda life3 -
JustAGoodPlayer✭✭✭✭I do not think that it is really hard, because i do trifecta there in few days it was added on live (but i farm shield and sword there and did not drop it for about 3 month (only get shield and axe - but i wanted sword ! )))) and only farm it when collection was added lol )))) So it really was hard to drop wepon that you need before )))
On 320+ half naked character it looks like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpPgpGApdDE
Whyle META people here decide are tey top 2% of average players or not - better say why you have a problems there - may be it is some hint that you just do not know - that let you pass it more easely ))) ?0 -
LordDragonMara✭✭✭FischyJones wrote: »
Actually it's what people make it out to be. MMOS are for this, to accomplish certain goals. And from experience people that are putting the works into games, are also the same people that are putting the work in real life.
It's not 100% accurate, and there is always exceptions of the rules, but just like in life, in sport, in games, people t hat put in the works are successful.
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[edited for baiting]
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JustAGoodPlayer✭✭✭✭TESO is not some really hard game to play ))) The less skilled is only may be FF ))) And NW.
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washbern✭✭✭✭✭As an MMO, the game provides many tiers of challenge. You start with overland quests, move on to delves then public dungeons then normal dungeons... so on so forth. To come here and say "I suck, but gimme gimme" means that the person stepped out of their comfort zone but gives no cares for the general difficulty flow of the game. [snip]
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JustAGoodPlayer✭✭✭✭After i watch the video before - that i post - i will newer go there )))
It looks like some horror that i am not prepare for )))
https://youtu.be/gIrLt8d2KKE Edited by JustAGoodPlayer on 20 July 2022 10:410 -
Lady_Galadhiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You will manage it OP, the first time I did complete the arena on normal I did it with my High elf sorc healer, it took me a few attempts with the minotaure as it was bugged, but once you figur out the mechanics it becomes easy. I personally like it more than Ma.
Few weeks later I was even able to complete it on Vet. Give yourself time OP, you will manage it.Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
ESO plus status: Cancelled
ESO currently uninstalled.1 -
JustAGoodPlayer✭✭✭✭Good words.
Try to use more HOT ( healing over time ) - abilites and damage shields.
Raise your sustain UP.
On arena there are secret buffs, that you can find and make your HP/mP/Stam bigger.
Based on build: Stamina - use vigor or brawler as example.
For mana you can even try to use restoration stuff.
If you already have good sustain you can try tu use: sugar skulls (cheap good gold food)2 -
FischyJones✭✭✭Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »You will manage it OP, the first time I did complete the arena on normal I did it with my High elf sorc healer, it took me a few attempts with the minotaure as it was bugged, but once you figur out the mechanics it becomes easy. I personally like it more than Ma.
Few weeks later I was even able to complete it on Vet. Give yourself time OP, you will manage it.
Thanks for the encoring words. I will surely try it some other time, especially the recomended route for stamina toons.
Thanks for all the helpful tips here!
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Mascen✭✭✭✭Okay, if you don't want to improve your "gamer" skills, why did you enter a solo arena? If you have no desire to improve those skills, and do not wish to do anything challenging, it's not like you need the equipment from Vateshran.
I suggest going to overland, where the monsters couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
If, after some consideration, you do want to improve and kill the queen, can you tell us a bit about what class you're playing, your preference towards stam or mag, melee or ranged abilities etc. and I'm sure lots of people can offer some advice on how to survive and get past her.
And please also tell us what order you did the arena in so far - what colour did you go to first (out of red, green and blue)?
Not OP but I'll be frank, alot of people want that Void Pitch dye because its the darkest black color in the game. I can understand skillgating for the best gear and respect those who have it, but skillgating fashion is painful to say the least6 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Okay, if you don't want to improve your "gamer" skills, why did you enter a solo arena? If you have no desire to improve those skills, and do not wish to do anything challenging, it's not like you need the equipment from Vateshran.
I suggest going to overland, where the monsters couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
If, after some consideration, you do want to improve and kill the queen, can you tell us a bit about what class you're playing, your preference towards stam or mag, melee or ranged abilities etc. and I'm sure lots of people can offer some advice on how to survive and get past her.
And please also tell us what order you did the arena in so far - what colour did you go to first (out of red, green and blue)?
Not OP but I'll be frank, alot of people want that Void Pitch dye because its the darkest black color in the game. I can understand skillgating for the best gear and respect those who have it, but skillgating fashion is painful to say the least
By its very nature, a dye is a form of trophy. Being able to show off that you have accomplished a task. It's almost more of a trophy than a skin, since many parts of skins awarded for even harder content are hidden by costumes and gear styles.
So, yeah, perfectly legitimate to reward players with unique things for completing challenging content. Your desire to have some fashionable accessory doesn't negate a skilled players desire to be rewarded for completing that content.2 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Okay, if you don't want to improve your "gamer" skills, why did you enter a solo arena? If you have no desire to improve those skills, and do not wish to do anything challenging, it's not like you need the equipment from Vateshran.
I suggest going to overland, where the monsters couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
If, after some consideration, you do want to improve and kill the queen, can you tell us a bit about what class you're playing, your preference towards stam or mag, melee or ranged abilities etc. and I'm sure lots of people can offer some advice on how to survive and get past her.
And please also tell us what order you did the arena in so far - what colour did you go to first (out of red, green and blue)?
Not OP but I'll be frank, alot of people want that Void Pitch dye because its the darkest black color in the game. I can understand skillgating for the best gear and respect those who have it, but skillgating fashion is painful to say the least
In their defense, they put the dye behind the easiest possible setting and one of, if not, the least combat oriented achievements in the arena.
If anything they're time gated because of the distance you need to travel or amount of times that you need to grapple. You also need to run it at least twice for the essences, but you dont need to complete either.3 -
Vulkunne✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can understand people wanting the void dye however to be honest it's too hot. Just a touch too strong and imo only looks good on a few of the newer sets. Its also really not black as much as like a really deep shade of purple.
The real prize is the vet weapons but I don't have the time or energy for another round with lula-bell unless ESO has like a buy one get one free event like they do with Maelstrom drops.“Today victory is mine. Long live the Empire.”1 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Okay, if you don't want to improve your "gamer" skills, why did you enter a solo arena? If you have no desire to improve those skills, and do not wish to do anything challenging, it's not like you need the equipment from Vateshran.
I suggest going to overland, where the monsters couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
If, after some consideration, you do want to improve and kill the queen, can you tell us a bit about what class you're playing, your preference towards stam or mag, melee or ranged abilities etc. and I'm sure lots of people can offer some advice on how to survive and get past her.
And please also tell us what order you did the arena in so far - what colour did you go to first (out of red, green and blue)?
Not OP but I'll be frank, alot of people want that Void Pitch dye because its the darkest black color in the game. I can understand skillgating for the best gear and respect those who have it, but skillgating fashion is painful to say the least
By its very nature, a dye is a form of trophy. Being able to show off that you have accomplished a task. It's almost more of a trophy than a skin, since many parts of skins awarded for even harder content are hidden by costumes and gear styles.
So, yeah, perfectly legitimate to reward players with unique things for completing challenging content. Your desire to have some fashionable accessory doesn't negate a skilled players desire to be rewarded for completing that content.
No. A dye is a cosmetic. Some people choose to look at them as trophies, including me, but it is not their very nature. They sell them in the crown store. Player desire to have challenged doesn't negate people wanting dyes from easy sources either. That is why we have dyes that can be obtained in a variety of different ways, including some that don't require gameplay at all.
It is nice when a cool dye is given as a reward for challenging content (and nVH shouldn't be nerfed just because void pitch is present) but it is not their very nature and no group has sole ownership of them as prizes.Edited by spartaxoxo on 20 July 2022 17:155 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Okay, if you don't want to improve your "gamer" skills, why did you enter a solo arena? If you have no desire to improve those skills, and do not wish to do anything challenging, it's not like you need the equipment from Vateshran.
I suggest going to overland, where the monsters couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
If, after some consideration, you do want to improve and kill the queen, can you tell us a bit about what class you're playing, your preference towards stam or mag, melee or ranged abilities etc. and I'm sure lots of people can offer some advice on how to survive and get past her.
And please also tell us what order you did the arena in so far - what colour did you go to first (out of red, green and blue)?
Not OP but I'll be frank, alot of people want that Void Pitch dye because its the darkest black color in the game. I can understand skillgating for the best gear and respect those who have it, but skillgating fashion is painful to say the least
By its very nature, a dye is a form of trophy. Being able to show off that you have accomplished a task. It's almost more of a trophy than a skin, since many parts of skins awarded for even harder content are hidden by costumes and gear styles.
So, yeah, perfectly legitimate to reward players with unique things for completing challenging content. Your desire to have some fashionable accessory doesn't negate a skilled players desire to be rewarded for completing that content.
No. A dye is a cosmetic. Some people choose to look at them as trophies, including me, but it is not their very nature. They sell them in the crown store. Player desire to have challenged doesn't negate people wanting dyes from easy sources either. That is why we have dyes that can be obtained in a variety of different ways, including some that don't require gameplay at all.
It is nice when a cool dye is given as a reward for challenging content, but is not their very nature and no group has sole ownership of them as prizes.
But, we are explicitly talking about a dye that is rewarded for doing content. Hence, a trophy. This dye, like skins awarded for challenging content, is a trophy. It is there to show off an accomplishment.
Wanted to add to this as well. Skins are also considered trophy's rewarded for completing achievements and different content. There is zero difference between the awarding of a skin and the awarding for a dye. Both are available for sale within the crown store. But, the ones awarded for content are not for sale in the store, other versions are. Clearly, those other versions are not trophy's. But the ones awarded are.Edited by jaws343 on 20 July 2022 17:223 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »Okay, if you don't want to improve your "gamer" skills, why did you enter a solo arena? If you have no desire to improve those skills, and do not wish to do anything challenging, it's not like you need the equipment from Vateshran.
I suggest going to overland, where the monsters couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
If, after some consideration, you do want to improve and kill the queen, can you tell us a bit about what class you're playing, your preference towards stam or mag, melee or ranged abilities etc. and I'm sure lots of people can offer some advice on how to survive and get past her.
And please also tell us what order you did the arena in so far - what colour did you go to first (out of red, green and blue)?
Not OP but I'll be frank, alot of people want that Void Pitch dye because its the darkest black color in the game. I can understand skillgating for the best gear and respect those who have it, but skillgating fashion is painful to say the least
By its very nature, a dye is a form of trophy. Being able to show off that you have accomplished a task. It's almost more of a trophy than a skin, since many parts of skins awarded for even harder content are hidden by costumes and gear styles.
So, yeah, perfectly legitimate to reward players with unique things for completing challenging content. Your desire to have some fashionable accessory doesn't negate a skilled players desire to be rewarded for completing that content.
No. A dye is a cosmetic. Some people choose to look at them as trophies, including me, but it is not their very nature. They sell them in the crown store. Player desire to have challenged doesn't negate people wanting dyes from easy sources either. That is why we have dyes that can be obtained in a variety of different ways, including some that don't require gameplay at all.
It is nice when a cool dye is given as a reward for challenging content, but is not their very nature and no group has sole ownership of them as prizes.
But, we are explicitly talking about a dye that is rewarded for doing content. Hence, a trophy. This dye, like skins awarded for challenging content, is a trophy. It is there to show off an accomplishment.
Yes. But what is true of THIS dye is not true of all dyes. When we start to discuss what categories of stuff are by their very nature, all the stuff that counts gets included. So dyes from the cs store would count too. Also don't agree that dyes for doing content are necessarily trophies either. Trophy implies you did a challenge. All trophies are rewards but I don't think all rewards are trophies. You get a dye just for deconstructing gear handed to you as a quest reward. That's doing content but I wouldn't call that a trophy either.
This dye I would consider a trophy (although not much of one since you don't even have to finish the arena) but other dyes are most certainly not imo.Edited by spartaxoxo on 20 July 2022 17:290 -
FischyJones✭✭✭Okay I tried the sugestions, adjusted the build, did the route and what can I say:
I wasnt even able to finish the first arena.....
So please @ZOS let us buy the progress for the nightmares that are the Arenas.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭"That's not top end by any means. 60k is currently the entry to vet trials required by most casual guilds."
Guilds I am familiar with like to see around 30k for progression groups but don't require it. For achievement groups yeah 60k is closer to what they like to see. 20k DPS and solid knowledge of mechanics will get groups through most vet content and even some of the hard mode vet content.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FischyJones wrote: »Okay I tried the sugestions, adjusted the build, did the route and what can I say:
I wasnt even able to finish the first arena.....
Can you make a video of what you're doing? It might help us identify your issue. They won't allow people to buy arena progress because it devalues what other people already did. They might make future dyes easier to get, but they aren't going to change past dyes to be buyable because it cheapens what people accomplished.Edited by spartaxoxo on 20 July 2022 19:493 -
FischyJones✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »FischyJones wrote: »Okay I tried the sugestions, adjusted the build, did the route and what can I say:
I wasnt even able to finish the first arena.....
Can you make a video of what you're doing? It might help us identify your issue. They won't allow people to buy arena progress because it devalues what other people already did. They might make future dyes easier to get, but they aren't going to change past dyes to be buyable because it cheapens what people accomplished.
I cant ablige, I have no means of recording.
Failing this arena has really affected my mental health in a bad way and I dont think I can attempt it ever again. Ill stick to cursing the person who designed it and locked importent PvP Gear behind this challenge.0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FischyJones wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »FischyJones wrote: »Okay I tried the sugestions, adjusted the build, did the route and what can I say:
I wasnt even able to finish the first arena.....
Can you make a video of what you're doing? It might help us identify your issue. They won't allow people to buy arena progress because it devalues what other people already did. They might make future dyes easier to get, but they aren't going to change past dyes to be buyable because it cheapens what people accomplished.
I cant ablige, I have no means of recording.
Failing this arena has really affected my mental health in a bad way and I dont think I can attempt it ever again. Ill stick to cursing the person who designed it and locked importent PvP Gear behind this challenge.
I'm really sorry to hear that. It would be good to take a break from it for a while. If you ever decide to go back, let us know what you're working with and maybe some of us can help. But if not that's understandable, a game is not worth your health. At the end of the day, being good or bad at VVH doesn't mean much about your skill as a PvPers anyway.1 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FischyJones wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »FischyJones wrote: »Okay I tried the sugestions, adjusted the build, did the route and what can I say:
I wasnt even able to finish the first arena.....
Can you make a video of what you're doing? It might help us identify your issue. They won't allow people to buy arena progress because it devalues what other people already did. They might make future dyes easier to get, but they aren't going to change past dyes to be buyable because it cheapens what people accomplished.
I cant ablige, I have no means of recording.
Failing this arena has really affected my mental health in a bad way and I dont think I can attempt it ever again. Ill stick to cursing the person who designed it and locked importent PvP Gear behind this challenge.
Hate to break it to you, but no gear in there is going to help you in PVP if you can't clear the arena on normal. It's a fairly easy normal clear, even for someone in a pure PVP burst setup, with zero dots.
And, this idea that "PVP" gear is locked in there is a fallacy. Gear is rewarded for completing the arena. That gear is able to be used in PVP and PVE. Just because it may be more useful on a PVP setup doesn't make it PVP gear and doesn't somehow negate the requirements needed to obtain the gear.4 -
FischyJones✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »
I'm really sorry to hear that. It would be good to take a break from it for a while. If you ever decide to go back, let us know what you're working with and maybe some of us can help. But if not that's understandable, a game is not worth your health. At the end of the day, being good or bad at VVH doesn't mean much about your skill as a PvPers anyway.
To be frank, im able to finish vet Malestorm. And with the same toon I am utterly unable to finish nVH - thats just frustrating.
I mainly quest and do PvE as a healer, because I am autistic and find more "challenging" stuff in this game to be frankly: way to hard. Damage dealing somethimes feels like a job and I like that healing is no braining.
PvP is another topic that I shouldnt indulge, because I know my opinions arent valued here - but I play as a gank nb because I utterly despise cheesestacking DK and Templars.
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