Will ZOS introduce account wide motifs ? ( Your thoughts )

Starlight_Knight · May 2022

In the wake of account wide acheivments, do you think ZOS will make motifs account wide?
Reguardless if you want them to or not, vote if you think it will happen.

I'm now at a point where i dont know if its a terrible idea learning motifs on multiple chars, i feel sorry for all the multiple master anglers out there that had that those acheivments written off, im a bit scared to have 2 crafters.

DMuehlhausen · May 2022

No

They already do....every motif page you read on any character becomes available on every character this is true for style pages.

Now if you're talking about counting as "completed" I doubt it there is no real reason other than for that achievement and I'm guessing they want to keep some weight on Master Crafter.

M0ntie · May 2022

Yes

I’m being hopeful they will. This and the knowledge of recipes, praxises etc. It is so annoying to accidentally learn styles or recipes or furnishing patterns on the wrong character. And no real achievement to know them on multiple.

Madarc · May 2022

No

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

They already do....every motif page you read on any character becomes available on every character this is true for style pages.

Now if you're talking about counting as "completed" I doubt it there is no real reason other than for that achievement and I'm guessing they want to keep some weight on Master Crafter.

For exactly the above reasons, I wouldn't think of anything why anything should be changed, or even devalue the Master Crafter

Tandor · May 2022

I'd always have said no, but then I didn't think for a moment that they would sell skyshards/skill points in the Crown Store and they did, then I thought they wouldn't switch the achievements to account-wide and they did, so these days I don't rule anything out.

redspecter23 · May 2022

Yes

If ZOS can find some benefit to it, they will probably do it at some point. If it may lead to some sort of performance improvement or streamlining of the database or something like that. Then they can justify a certain amount of resources devoted to it.

As of right now, it's not necessarily broken so it would be a hard sell to devote any resources to it unless there is a reasoning from their standpoint (ZOS).

For me personally, I'd love the change as it's one step closer to not having an actual main character and making all my characters equally important, but that's very subjective. Others could just as easily hate the change for their own reasons.

LoneStar2911 · May 2022

Yes

I voted yes because I’m REALLY hoping that they do!!!!

kargen27 · May 2022

No

I'm kind of thinking no because the motifs your character knows affects your chance of landing a master writ. Like Tandor I didn't think they would make a lot of the changes they've made so who knows.

xaraan · May 2022

No

I doubt it.

No reason to from their standpoint.

Most players are happy to be able to do outfitting account wide, so that part isn't a problem.

Others have already spent tons of time and money learning them on multiple characters and would be irritated.

And it gives some value to older motifs still. The market would crash even harder than during the anniversary event if there was less reason to collect motifs, especially older ones.

Elsonso · May 2022

Yes

Yes. I expect that stuff like this will become account wide over the next couple years.

The style from the motifs are already account wide, and crafting is grindy enough, and also rather irrelevant, so there is no reason not to.

Gaeliannas · May 2022

No

They won't do it, it would hurt crown store sales. I wish they would, but they won't.

redspecter23 · May 2022

Yes

Gaeliannas wrote: »

They won't do it, it would hurt crown store sales. I wish they would, but they won't.

Hurt crown sales in which way? I can't see too many people buying up crown motifs to use on alts. Even if some do, that number would be so low it wouldn't create any sort of impact. That sort of player will throw their crowns at literally anything and will find something else to spend them on instantly.

Gaeliannas · May 2022

No

redspecter23 wrote: »

Gaeliannas wrote: »

They won't do it, it would hurt crown store sales. I wish they would, but they won't.

Hurt crown sales in which way? I can't see too many people buying up crown motifs to use on alts. Even if some do, that number would be so low it wouldn't create any sort of impact. That sort of player will throw their crowns at literally anything and will find something else to spend them on instantly.

That is a poor assumption. I know a lot of folks who filled out the 25 motif achievement in order to get the better dailies rewards on alts, from the crown store. Some used cash, some used gold at a crown exchange. It is a lot more common than you would think. ESO has a very large base of affluent older players, much more than most games I suspect. It is their target audience after all.

Hurbster · May 2022

Yes

Might tempt me back. Pain in the bum having to check specific motifs with my old main all the time.

redspecter23 · May 2022

Yes

Gaeliannas wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Gaeliannas wrote: »

They won't do it, it would hurt crown store sales. I wish they would, but they won't.

Hurt crown sales in which way? I can't see too many people buying up crown motifs to use on alts. Even if some do, that number would be so low it wouldn't create any sort of impact. That sort of player will throw their crowns at literally anything and will find something else to spend them on instantly.

That is a poor assumption. I know a lot of folks who filled out the 25 motif achievement in order to get the better dailies rewards on alts, from the crown store. Some used cash, some used gold at a crown exchange. It is a lot more common than you would think. ESO has a very large base of affluent older players, much more than most games I suspect. It is their target audience after all.

You could be right. ZOS has the numbers. I'd love to see them some day, but that won't happen. At some point, you can take the logic of "it will hurt crown sales" and apply it to any change. New expansion? Well they won't do that, it will hurt crown sales of the old expansion. We can't have a new class, fewer people will buy necromancers and wardens. It could be an endless set of things.

I suppose what I'm getting at is even if this does happen, it's not on the level of "loss" that it would be if they suddenly stopped selling crown crates or houses. There would be a very obvious loss in revenue if those disappeared tomorrow from the store. Crown motifs on alts is at least a bit more unknown. We can only speculate on how much money is made off of that. I can't imagine it could be large enough to make them just never want to do the change to account wide, especially if they have some other reason to do it such as server performance. That benefit could outweigh the crown store loss of motifs for alts.

Gaeliannas · May 2022

No

redspecter23 wrote: »

Gaeliannas wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Gaeliannas wrote: »

They won't do it, it would hurt crown store sales. I wish they would, but they won't.

Hurt crown sales in which way? I can't see too many people buying up crown motifs to use on alts. Even if some do, that number would be so low it wouldn't create any sort of impact. That sort of player will throw their crowns at literally anything and will find something else to spend them on instantly.

That is a poor assumption. I know a lot of folks who filled out the 25 motif achievement in order to get the better dailies rewards on alts, from the crown store. Some used cash, some used gold at a crown exchange. It is a lot more common than you would think. ESO has a very large base of affluent older players, much more than most games I suspect. It is their target audience after all.

You could be right. ZOS has the numbers. I'd love to see them some day, but that won't happen. At some point, you can take the logic of "it will hurt crown sales" and apply it to any change. New expansion? Well they won't do that, it will hurt crown sales of the old expansion. We can't have a new class, fewer people will buy necromancers and wardens. It could be an endless set of things.

I suppose what I'm getting at is even if this does happen, it's not on the level of "loss" that it would be if they suddenly stopped selling crown crates or houses. There would be a very obvious loss in revenue if those disappeared tomorrow from the store. Crown motifs on alts is at least a bit more unknown. We can only speculate on how much money is made off of that. I can't imagine it could be large enough to make them just never want to do the change to account wide, especially if they have some other reason to do it such as server performance. That benefit could outweigh the crown store loss of motifs for alts.

Yup, we will never know the numbers, but they generally have a very large selection of motifs in the crown store. Sort of like furnishings, not a lot of folks talk about it, but almost every house I have ever toured has a pretty decent amount of items that were only available via the crown store.

Amottica · May 2022

No

Of course, no one really knows, not even Zenimax unless they recently decided to add it.

I do not think it will happen anytime soon. One major reason is Zenimax sells motifs via the crown store.

NettleCarrier · May 2022

No

No, I don't think they ever will. I'd love if they did, but I don't learn them on alts anyway so it wouldn't "hurt" me, it would only be a net positive in that I'd get more master writs.

dinokstrunz · May 2022

No

It would devalue motif grinding/farming as well as selling them, and ofc it will probably effect crown store. Motifs are already semi account-wide and don't need to be anything other.

Wandering_Immigrant · May 2022

No

I hope not, it would kill the value of not only motifs, but master writs and items bought with writ vouchers as well. And for what? There's no benefit here outfitting is already account wide, sure you'd get more master writs but they'd be worthless since everyone would be getting a ton of them, you wouldn't be able to give them away they'd become the new spider parts.

xXSilverDragonXx · May 2022

No

Most decisions come down to money. They know enough people do crafting on multiple toons and thus want to collect motifs on multiple toons. At some point most people buy some motifs from crowns. Making it account wide then loses them money.

Treeshka · May 2022

Everything should be account wide including motifs and furniture recipes along with food and drink recipes.

FlopsyPrince · May 2022

No

Tandor wrote: »

I'd always have said no, but then I didn't think for a moment that they would sell skyshards/skill points in the Crown Store and they did, then I thought they wouldn't switch the achievements to account-wide and they did, so these days I don't rule anything out.

That was not desired, but not surprising. I wouldn't be surprised to "learn all motifs on account" on the Crown store. I don't expect it, but such an item wouldn't shock me.

FlopsyPrince · May 2022

No

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

I hope not, it would kill the value of not only motifs, but master writs and items bought with writ vouchers as well. And for what? There's no benefit here outfitting is already account wide, sure you'd get more master writs but they'd be worthless since everyone would be getting a ton of them, you wouldn't be able to give them away they'd become the new spider parts.

So a limited few would have to make gold doing other things? That is not necessarily a bad thing, though it might suck for those people.

I do run multiple crafting characters, as someone noted earlier, but I hate finding so many motifs and I have never (as far as I can recall) bought them from the Crown Store, so no lost income for ZOS in a change like this.

essi2 · May 2022

No

Crafting knowledge will remain character bound.

LesserCircle · May 2022

No

No, that way if you change crafting character you need to buy again those juicy crown store motifs.

joerginger · May 2022

No

They should have decoupled the requirements for getting master writs from motif knowledge and should have made motifs account-wide. But as with some other things, they decided not to maske all achievements account-wide. I think this is a pity.

Wandering_Immigrant · May 2022

No

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

I hope not, it would kill the value of not only motifs, but master writs and items bought with writ vouchers as well. And for what? There's no benefit here outfitting is already account wide, sure you'd get more master writs but they'd be worthless since everyone would be getting a ton of them, you wouldn't be able to give them away they'd become the new spider parts.

So a limited few would have to make gold doing other things? That is not necessarily a bad thing, though it might suck for those people.

Anything that reduces the amount of gold changing hands is a bad thing regardless of who it hurts or helps. People need to accept that this is not a single player game and needing to rely on each other for things is a pro not a con and stop trying to stick it to the evil sellers. I don't farm motifs I buy them off traders and I don't want to end up struggling to find the ones I need once people start seeing them as decon trash and stop listing them. This is very much a be careful what you wish for kind of request.

Snamyap · May 2022

LoneStar2911 wrote: »

I voted yes because I’m REALLY hoping that they do!!!!

Curious: what benefit do you see from this?

barney2525 · May 2022

No

I don't see what the benefit to Zos would be.

Most players have 1 Master crafter who knows everything - And has spent the points to be able to craft everything. The Outfitter already allows every character access to every style the Account knows. So, Looking the way you want every character to look is already taken care of.

Having Every character know how to actually create Every motif is pointless because you are not going to spend the Points to efficiently craft on Every character. Your One Master Crafter will still do All the crafting. Otherwise, you are just wasting Mats. So, players are Not going to buy Motif books from the crown store for Every character. And, thus, the Company is not losing out on any money by Not making this change. Players that buy the Motifs will still just get One book for the Master crafter.

There just isn't any benefit, for player or Company, to make this change.

IMHO

Elsonso · May 2022

Yes

Snamyap wrote: »

LoneStar2911 wrote: »

I voted yes because I’m REALLY hoping that they do!!!!

Curious: what benefit do you see from this?

Any character on the account can craft in any style known by the account. No more accidentally learning a motif on a character that isn't use for crafting. No more need to "motif up" a second crafter if the player decides that they want two crafters. All the characters on the account could be crafters.

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