xylena_lazarow wrote: »

AD has been the highest pop faction the entire day, now having held emp almost 5hrs.

Interesting. Just curious, did you happen to notice if the "bonus" was actually factored into the eval for final scoring? The time I checked and took screen shots was right before eval and after.

AD in fact, did not receive the points. EP and AD both received lower points than those that were showing and DC ended up receiving more upon final eval.

I did submit that report to ZoS for their own investigation.

So, although I've seen the symbol/icon appear for the low pop, it seems that it does not always apply to the final eval score.

I really wish they'd fix this as just the accusations and conspiracy theories alone are excuse enough for some players to partake in double teaming.

Delphinia wrote: »

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

AD has been the highest pop faction the entire day, now having held emp almost 5hrs.

Interesting. Just curious, did you happen to notice if the "bonus" was actually factored into the eval for final scoring? The time I checked and took screen shots was right before eval and after.

AD in fact, did not receive the points. EP and AD both received lower points than those that were showing and DC ended up receiving more upon final eval.

I did submit that report to ZoS for their own investigation.

So, although I've seen the symbol/icon appear for the low pop, it seems that it does not always apply to the final eval score.

I really wish they'd fix this as just the accusations and conspiracy theories alone are excuse enough for some players to partake in double teaming.

The person you quoted posted 2 sets of screenshots with.campaign timers. Looks to be less than 2 hours apart and AD earned almost 600 points.

Which is odd as it's neither the amount of 2 evals nor 1 eval but certainly more than a regular score would be after 2

Really doesn't matter. It causes toxic responses in the player base to see one faction running roughshod over the map AND showing a pop bonus

@Agrippa_Invisus and @xylena_lazarow thanks for sharing your perspective. I appreciate you taking the stance that it's not a singular faction concocting some diabolical mastermind plot to throw the scores. There is enough drama in the world (and unfortunately, in games) that we really don't need more of it here.

As I mentioned, I also took screenshots, as I have just recently come back to the game and the forums and saw the immense amount of confusion and allegations (which as has been pointed out, causes a great deal of “toxicity”). Of course, it is always there in this pvp realm, but it’s just one more thing adding fuel to the fire.

I happened to be on and took notice of the “bonus” right at final eval and about 29 mins after just to see if AD actually did receive it. I posted both of those to the other thread about this already and sent to zos.
Unlike your experience, @Agrippa_Invisus , these shots show AD did not in fact receive the bonus. I understand from what you saw @Agrippa_Invisus, that this was not the case. I only took screenshots as proof as why would anyone have reason to believe me? Plus, I wanted to have something for zos to use to investigate.

Thank you again for sharing your experiences with this @Agrippa_Invisus and @xylena_lazarow . As we can see from the numerous complaints and accusations towards AD, this needs to be rectified by zos in order for these players to play without the added toxic behavior this seems to have instilled further into their game.

@TechMaybeHic , those shots @xylena_lazarow took, were yes, about two hours apart. The curious part was what did zos' "calculations" come up with for the eval in between? I understand the intent of sharing those. I was wondering about the missing eval. If you can see the "bonus" reflected in the final scoring. I do appreciate her clarification and expanded response to my inquiry.
My point in sharing mine is that it shows the accusations are false. The "bonus" was not reflected in the final score. This is a confusion among players yes, but a manipulation by one faction, it is not.

Unfortunately, the entity we need to do the research on this and communicate their findings is either not ready to share, or perhaps just as confused as the rest of us. I would like to think, the former. They may choose not to communicate, but rather are working on a fix as we speak. However, until such time, all we can do is to try and have some understanding and tolerance; not continue to poison each other's minds with conspiracy.

Locked AD, 2 bars both EP and DC.

AD got the bonus for multiple evals in a row, jumping right into first, then proceeded to gate camp for an hour with their locked pop.

This is not a fun, enjoyable play experience, ZOS.

maxjapank wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Locked AD, 2 bars both EP and DC.

AD got the bonus for multiple evals in a row, jumping right into first, then proceeded to gate camp for an hour with their locked pop.

This is not a fun, enjoyable play experience, ZOS.

2 hours later. EP has pop advantage. Along with DC, they double team AD. Get all scrolls back. Currently AD has no population and tri-keeps and scrolls soon to be gone. That is not a fun, enjoyable play experience, either. And it's a daily recurrence.

That's been a daily occurrence because of how this low pop thing, however it happens; tends to land AD. You know that right?

maxjapank wrote: »

TechMaybeHic wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Locked AD, 2 bars both EP and DC.

AD got the bonus for multiple evals in a row, jumping right into first, then proceeded to gate camp for an hour with their locked pop.

This is not a fun, enjoyable play experience, ZOS.

2 hours later. EP has pop advantage. Along with DC, they double team AD. Get all scrolls back. Currently AD has no population and tri-keeps and scrolls soon to be gone. That is not a fun, enjoyable play experience, either. And it's a daily recurrence.

That's been a daily occurrence because of how this low pop thing, however it happens; tends to land AD. You know that right?

No, mate. It's been a daily occurrence even before this pop thing. If you played during that timezone, you'd know that.

Yeah honestly not sure about those hours. Prime time EST; I know it used to be pushes between Ash to Roe, Ales to Chal back and forth for DC, but it's been often all fighting at AD tri keeps a lot more often lately

I’m glad some people still believe the campaign score is important. It shows dedication and support for the game.

Unfortunately I have lost all dedication and care I ever felt. I don’t play competitively any longer.

I hope ZOS fixes this on going issue and follows the suggestions Izy made years ago for a dynamic scoring system.

I do hope everyone enjoys their playtime, whatever form that takes.

Hi,
The low population bonus from what i can make out is a 24hr calculation, not the last 3 evaluations so if the population was low "yesterday" then the low pop bonus will trigger "tomorrow" at the same time if you get what i mean.
PC/EU Gray Host had it for ages for Daggerfall Covenant until just over 3 or 4 months ago and was basically triggered by having 2 bars population when another faction is poplocked. Any more than 2 bars and it wasn't happening.
This meant that all the sweats and ap hunters etc were appearing on the server for that specific hour then would disappear off the server the following hour so each day, the low pop bonus was staggered but regularevery day because the population would only increase for the low pop bonus in the first place then drop again for the following hour.
It is pretty clear that some people have known how to manipulate this since at least 2015 so it is nothing new that this causes what some see as an imbalance in scoring etc.

With the low score bonus, from what i've seen in over 8 yrs in cyro, it is something that appears close to the start of the campaign then just stops appearing so it is likely that this is calculated as a % amount where a score difference of 800 to 3000 is bigger than a score of 15000 to 20000 despite the second score having a larger deficit of actual points. Let's be honest, some of the score differences at the start of the final week are tens of thousands and even with low score bonus, there's no chance of winning but there's still no low score bonus but in the first few days, the worst faction tend to get it at least a few times.