Aoe stun, damage, escape, and gap closer all in one skill. Top 3 CC abilities in the game. It is over tuned, I think it should snare instead of stun (so there can be counterplay with snare removal/prevention abilities).
So you keep the CC and everything else, but you change it so that Streak isn't being abused (with the unblockable stun in which Sorc already has access to...)
If it was to be nerfed, I think something like that would be fine.
Waffennacht wrote: »Aoe stun, damage, escape, and gap closer all in one skill. Top 3 CC abilities in the game. It is over tuned, I think it should snare instead of stun (so there can be counterplay with snare removal/prevention abilities).
So you keep the CC and everything else, but you change it so that Streak isn't being abused (with the unblockable stun in which Sorc already has access to...)
If it was to be nerfed, I think something like that would be fine.
BoL would become strickly superior
Waffennacht wrote: »Aoe stun, damage, escape, and gap closer all in one skill. Top 3 CC abilities in the game. It is over tuned, I think it should snare instead of stun (so there can be counterplay with snare removal/prevention abilities).
So you keep the CC and everything else, but you change it so that Streak isn't being abused (with the unblockable stun in which Sorc already has access to...)
If it was to be nerfed, I think something like that would be fine.
BoL would become strickly superior
In what way?
BoL is commonly used more defensively than Streak with CC immunity and absorbing projectiles. Streak right now is used either way in my experience.
Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Aoe stun, damage, escape, and gap closer all in one skill. Top 3 CC abilities in the game. It is over tuned, I think it should snare instead of stun (so there can be counterplay with snare removal/prevention abilities).
So you keep the CC and everything else, but you change it so that Streak isn't being abused (with the unblockable stun in which Sorc already has access to...)
If it was to be nerfed, I think something like that would be fine.
BoL would become strickly superior
In what way?
BoL is commonly used more defensively than Streak with CC immunity and absorbing projectiles. Streak right now is used either way in my experience.
Because a snare, especially in this meta, would be meaningless offensively and defensively BoL again would be vastly superior - absorbing dmg vs doing nothing to prevent your opponent from continuing to attack you
Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Aoe stun, damage, escape, and gap closer all in one skill. Top 3 CC abilities in the game. It is over tuned, I think it should snare instead of stun (so there can be counterplay with snare removal/prevention abilities).
So you keep the CC and everything else, but you change it so that Streak isn't being abused (with the unblockable stun in which Sorc already has access to...)
If it was to be nerfed, I think something like that would be fine.
BoL would become strickly superior
In what way?
BoL is commonly used more defensively than Streak with CC immunity and absorbing projectiles. Streak right now is used either way in my experience.
Because a snare, especially in this meta, would be meaningless offensively and defensively BoL again would be vastly superior - absorbing dmg vs doing nothing to prevent your opponent from continuing to attack you
Snare has been effective from what I've experienced. The Dizzy swing snare is really good, permafrost snare is very effective Ult from the Warden class, and the snare after getting hit by Dragon leap. Quite a few skills have a snare, and not all of them are meaningless.
A snare also invites counterplay to a skill that probably shouldn't have an unblockable AOE stun coupled with the rest of it's uses. Losing the stun would hurt, because streak is so strong, but if it was in the works to be humbled a little, an AOE snare would be fine.
Just a suggestion, nothing wrong with counterplay instead of a forced CC.
Aoe stun, damage, escape, and gap closer all in one skill. Top 3 CC abilities in the game. It is over tuned, I think it should snare instead of stun (so there can be counterplay with snare removal/prevention abilities).
So you keep the CC and everything else, but you change it so that Streak isn't being abused (with the unblockable stun in which Sorc already has access to...)
If it was to be nerfed, I think something like that would be fine.
Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Aoe stun, damage, escape, and gap closer all in one skill. Top 3 CC abilities in the game. It is over tuned, I think it should snare instead of stun (so there can be counterplay with snare removal/prevention abilities).
So you keep the CC and everything else, but you change it so that Streak isn't being abused (with the unblockable stun in which Sorc already has access to...)
If it was to be nerfed, I think something like that would be fine.
BoL would become strickly superior
In what way?
BoL is commonly used more defensively than Streak with CC immunity and absorbing projectiles. Streak right now is used either way in my experience.
Because a snare, especially in this meta, would be meaningless offensively and defensively BoL again would be vastly superior - absorbing dmg vs doing nothing to prevent your opponent from continuing to attack you
Snare has been effective from what I've experienced. The Dizzy swing snare is really good, permafrost snare is very effective Ult from the Warden class, and the snare after getting hit by Dragon leap. Quite a few skills have a snare, and not all of them are meaningless.
A snare also invites counterplay to a skill that probably shouldn't have an unblockable AOE stun coupled with the rest of it's uses. Losing the stun would hurt, because streak is so strong, but if it was in the works to be humbled a little, an AOE snare would be fine.
Just a suggestion, nothing wrong with counterplay instead of a forced CC.
universal_wrath wrote: »
If you are in a fight your target is most likely facing your direction to attack you unless they are running away or fighting someone else. Mesmrize is srill a solid stun in 1vx because they are trying to kill you as you are the only target to fight, meaning they will alway face you.
universal_wrath wrote: »
If you are in a fight your target is most likely facing your direction to attack you unless they are running away or fighting someone else. Mesmrize is srill a solid stun in 1vx because they are trying to kill you as you are the only target to fight, meaning they will alway face you.
It is bad because "facing your direction" is 1/4 of the circle, not 1/2. It can whiff even if opponent was looking at you at some point.
universal_wrath wrote: »Streak seems to have a narrow path of effect. It can be avoided if you notice the sorc in Cyrodiil. Does anyone know the path's width? (I suppose I could test that myself.) With battlegrounds having more narrow spaces and bottlenecks, I can see that it would be a Streaker's paradise. In other words, BGs have a better layout to utilize the purposes of streak.
This topic always brings to my memory a Ray Steven's "The Streak".
Speaking of nightblades' Fear: those who have immoveability up will not be feared.
Streak has a weird reverse conal path. It starts out wide with I think 7m and narrows down the further you travel to 1 or 2m. It used to be a straight path then few patches ago during PTS it was changed to conal, then changed to reverse conal 8n the particular PTS. If I remmember correctly, I think it was either during the buffing of dots or proc sets.
Maybe all players should start playing sorc because thats true that there is no counter for streak. Some of the sorcerers are almost unkillable because of this skill. For example some time ago I was playing against magsorc in BG and he said that he is doing sometimes 100 kills to 0 deaths (ofc not in one BG) and that wasn't the lowest mmr.
Last time when I was playing BG there was one team against us of 4 sorcerers. They just destroyed everyone, that was too much for me...
Maybe all players should start playing sorc because thats true that there is no counter for streak. Some of the sorcerers are almost unkillable because of this skill. For example some time ago I was playing against magsorc in BG and he said that he is doing sometimes 100 kills to 0 deaths (ofc not in one BG) and that wasn't the lowest mmr.
Last time when I was playing BG there was one team against us of 4 sorcerers. They just destroyed everyone, that was too much for me...
Maybe you all SHOULD start playing sorc [snip] once you realize how this isn’t some magical invincibility/guaranteed kill skill. It’s funny how [snip] about sorc don’t play it and when they do they realize they’re not as op as they once thought.
I play stamsorc almost exclusively and streak is OP as all get out. The amount of deaths people have prevent and caused from using streak is insane.
Watch any single sorc PVP video and you will see that it is used both offensively and defensively like nothing else in this game. But keep defending the broken stuff, because I think far too many RELY on this skill.
I suggest to all of you who think Streak is not op, go try some other CC. Shield Charge, reverberating bash, FG aoe fear, mesmerize etc. But here is the caveat. you all have to post videos of it.
No one will take that challenge because it will prove my point.
Maybe all players should start playing sorc because thats true that there is no counter for streak. Some of the sorcerers are almost unkillable because of this skill. For example some time ago I was playing against magsorc in BG and he said that he is doing sometimes 100 kills to 0 deaths (ofc not in one BG) and that wasn't the lowest mmr.
Last time when I was playing BG there was one team against us of 4 sorcerers. They just destroyed everyone, that was too much for me...
Maybe you all SHOULD start playing sorc [snip] once you realize how this isn’t some magical invincibility/guaranteed kill skill. It’s funny how [snip] about sorc don’t play it and when they do they realize they’re not as op as they once thought.
PhoenixGrey wrote: »Marcus_Aurelius wrote: ».
Or maybe would you like to have sorc in the gutter for years like certain other classes? Stamsorc just came out of that gutter half a year ago with crystal weapon.
I just would love to have a counter to fight streaking sorcs, for NBs you have detect pot, aoe and such.
For a sorc that hit you and then streak away what are you gonna do?
At least give me a gap closer that don't need a target because those are completely useless in Cyrolag.
Give cloak stacking cost and then we can nerf streak
OK, then just make cloak unbreakable and I would call it a deal.
Make nblades take all damage that was incoming before cloak is activated and take DOT damage while cloaked, not letting it work like a quasi cleanse, working somewhat like the skill is described.
I will state this again and again. Streak/bol is as bread and butter to sorcs as jabs is to templar.
Except sorc have almost nothing cool except streak, and templar has javelin, toppling charge, both eclipse morphs, backlash, jesus beam, honor the dead, repentance and the best purge in the game, coupled with blah blah blahExcept templar have almost nothing cool except jabs, and sorc has dark deal, fury, both shards morphs, curse, surge, bound weps/armaments and summons, coupled with the best ultimates in the game. Sorc skills are so strong that bar space competition is practically the only downside.I will state this again and again. Streak/bol is as bread and butter to sorcs as jabs is to templar.
They are different in functionality, but the same in the sense that they serve as the cornerstone of their class.I will state this again and again. Streak/bol is as bread and butter to sorcs as jabs is to templar.
Cant really compare spammable ability to streak but ok
Except sorc have almost nothing cool except streak, and templar has javelin, toppling charge, both eclipse morphs, backlash, jesus beam, honor the dead, repentance and the best purge in the game, coupled with blah blah blahExcept templar have almost nothing cool except jabs, and sorc has dark deal, fury, both shards morphs, curse, surge, bound weps/armaments and summons, coupled with the best ultimates in the game. Sorc skills are so strong that bar space competition is practically the only downside.I will state this again and again. Streak/bol is as bread and butter to sorcs as jabs is to templar.
Except sorc have almost nothing cool except streak, and templar has javelin, toppling charge, both eclipse morphs, backlash, jesus beam, honor the dead, repentance and the best purge in the game, coupled with blah blah blahExcept templar have almost nothing cool except jabs, and sorc has dark deal, fury, both shards morphs, curse, surge, bound weps/armaments and summons, coupled with the best ultimates in the game. Sorc skills are so strong that bar space competition is practically the only downside.I will state this again and again. Streak/bol is as bread and butter to sorcs as jabs is to templar.
Joy_Division wrote: »Except sorc have almost nothing cool except streak, and templar has javelin, toppling charge, both eclipse morphs, backlash, jesus beam, honor the dead, repentance and the best purge in the game, coupled with blah blah blahExcept templar have almost nothing cool except jabs, and sorc has dark deal, fury, both shards morphs, curse, surge, bound weps/armaments and summons, coupled with the best ultimates in the game. Sorc skills are so strong that bar space competition is practically the only downside.I will state this again and again. Streak/bol is as bread and butter to sorcs as jabs is to templar.
You're not helping your point by touting Javelin, Eclipse, Backlash, etc., as "cool" skills, let alone effective ones.
Except sorc have almost nothing cool except streak, and templar has javelin, toppling charge, both eclipse morphs, backlash, jesus beam, honor the dead, repentance and the best purge in the game, coupled with blah blah blahExcept templar have almost nothing cool except jabs, and sorc has dark deal, fury, both shards morphs, curse, surge, bound weps/armaments and summons, coupled with the best ultimates in the game. Sorc skills are so strong that bar space competition is practically the only downside.I will state this again and again. Streak/bol is as bread and butter to sorcs as jabs is to templar.
Yeah now, compare backlash with curse, jbeam with fury. Who is the winner?
Javelin & Charge have their equivalents in weapon skills.
Compare honor the dead to matriarch heal even, because ceiling for that is higher.
[snip] I use a gap closer constantly on streaking sorcs and catch them bc I can out run them on stam anyway. It's not very special advice: you run when they streak, gap close when it ends. Or just spam the gap closer lol. Running is more successful in lag than casting skills.Marcus_Aurelius wrote: ».Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Gap closers nullify streak, and a sorc that gets caught streaking away is likely very low on magic at that point, or even better, they are tapped on stam because of dark conversion use. If you want to kill a sorc, drain their stamina, most don't have a lot.
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[snip] skills does not wok in Cyrolag as the tooltip says.
Using a gap closer in Cyrolag to pursue a streaking sorc is just impossible.
All gap closer need a target, before the game understand that you are trying to cast the skill the sorc will be too far away so you can't do anything.
Joy_Division wrote: »You're not helping your point by touting Javelin, Eclipse, Backlash, etc., as "cool" skills, let alone effective ones.
Except sorc have almost nothing cool except streak, and templar has javelin, toppling charge, both eclipse morphs, backlash, jesus beam, honor the dead, repentance and the best purge in the game, coupled with blah blah blahExcept templar have almost nothing cool except jabs, and sorc has dark deal, fury, both shards morphs, curse, surge, bound weps/armaments and summons, coupled with the best ultimates in the game. Sorc skills are so strong that bar space competition is practically the only downside.I will state this again and again. Streak/bol is as bread and butter to sorcs as jabs is to templar.
Yeah now, compare backlash with curse, jbeam with fury. Who is the winner?
Except sorc have almost nothing cool except streak, and templar has javelin, toppling charge, both eclipse morphs, backlash, jesus beam, honor the dead, repentance and the best purge in the game, coupled with blah blah blahExcept templar have almost nothing cool except jabs, and sorc has dark deal, fury, both shards morphs, curse, surge, bound weps/armaments and summons, coupled with the best ultimates in the game. Sorc skills are so strong that bar space competition is practically the only downside.I will state this again and again. Streak/bol is as bread and butter to sorcs as jabs is to templar.
Yeah now, compare backlash with curse, jbeam with fury. Who is the winner?
To be fair, I get killed way more and with insanely hard hitting Jbeams vs EF spam. In a lot of scenarios Jbeam can decimate people.
Maybe all players should start playing sorc because thats true that there is no counter for streak. Some of the sorcerers are almost unkillable because of this skill. For example some time ago I was playing against magsorc in BG and he said that he is doing sometimes 100 kills to 0 deaths (ofc not in one BG) and that wasn't the lowest mmr.
Last time when I was playing BG there was one team against us of 4 sorcerers. They just destroyed everyone, that was too much for me...
Maybe you all SHOULD start playing sorc [snip] once you realize how this isn’t some magical invincibility/guaranteed kill skill. It’s funny how [snip] about sorc don’t play it and when they do they realize they’re not as op as they once thought.
I play stamsorc almost exclusively and streak is OP as all get out. The amount of deaths people have prevent and caused from using streak is insane.
Watch any single sorc PVP video and you will see that it is used both offensively and defensively like nothing else in this game. But keep defending the broken stuff, because I think far too many RELY on this skill.
I suggest to all of you who think Streak is not op, go try some other CC. Shield Charge, reverberating bash, FG aoe fear, mesmerize etc. But here is the caveat. you all have to post videos of it.
No one will take that challenge because it will prove my point.