Katechonn wrote: »

Since about 90% of the players in bgs are sorcs, streak spamming is no longer bareable. Its extremely annoying.
Unblockable, gap closer/escape, AOE, stun. Just a bit too much, isnt it?
Get rid of stun (one class stun - rune prison - is enough) or at least make it blockable.

I play a stamsorc myself and can attest to how much I see people abusing the power of this ability.

I don't use it because it just feels wrong lol..

• The stun should be blockable and in PVP should use up twice the amount of magicka after the first cast.

That is probably all that is needed.

That would basically destroy Sorcs.

Streak already costs a lot on consecutive uses. And Rune Cage can be dodged, it's the worst stun in the game atm because it is extremely telegraphed and dodgeable. So you would basically end up with a class that could literally not land a single blow on any enemy outside of maybe Curse, but that can be purged. Everything else can be dodged.

And really, as a stun, streak is pretty bad as it puts you behind your opponent more often than not. So any finishing combo has to happen before the streak, which means it all can be dodged before the stun.

You guys act like every other stun in the game cannot be blocked, as far as I can recall only sorcs and DKs stuns are unblockable.

Changing streak would ruin sorcs??? how exactly because you cannot survive forever by doing cheese streaking away the minute someone does some damage to you.

I see it ALL the time in BGs, nonstop people streaking away the instant they take damage, coming in and blowing people up, stunning whole groups, streaking back and forth to get a stun.

It is such a heavily abused ability and is completely broken just like Fossilize.

It is funny that you can block all these ultimate stuns, yet sorc has 2 stuns that cannot be blocked

Oh and don't run rune cage, run defensive rune. 90% of people don't roll dodge it because they are too busy trying to kill you.

Point being no ability should give you so much utility as Streak. If people looked at the game objectively they would realize there are quite a few overtuned abilities, and streak is certainly one of them.

In my ball group im the CC Bot / Off-Healer / Negate guy

I guess I am a streak abuser, I spam streak into groups along with Restraining Prison on the stunned enemy since they stack. Sometimes it feels really strong other times it feels like im not doing much.

Taking the stun away would be pretty bad. Using streak can be punishing enough though since you're streaking away from your group, and or streaking into danger with ramping cost. So I think taking the stun away is a bad idea.

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

You guys act like every other stun in the game cannot be blocked, as far as I can recall only sorcs and DKs stuns are unblockable.

Changing streak would ruin sorcs??? how exactly because you cannot survive forever by doing cheese streaking away the minute someone does some damage to you.

I see it ALL the time in BGs, nonstop people streaking away the instant they take damage, coming in and blowing people up, stunning whole groups, streaking back and forth to get a stun.

It is such a heavily abused ability and is completely broken just like Fossilize.

It is funny that you can block all these ultimate stuns, yet sorc has 2 stuns that cannot be blocked

Oh and don't run rune cage, run defensive rune. 90% of people don't roll dodge it because they are too busy trying to kill you.

Point being no ability should give you so much utility as Streak. If people looked at the game objectively they would realize there are quite a few overtuned abilities, and streak is certainly one of them.

Any instance of Fear cannot be blocked. So Nightblades, DKs, Necros, all have unblockable stuns. And Werewolfs, and all stam characters. In fact, most of them are also AOE unblockable stuns. And on all of those classes the unblockable stuns can actually be followed up with real attacks without the user needing to reposition themselves to attack.

Good players break free from streak before a sorc can even turn around to attack. And if a sorc is repeatedly streaking through you, they are burning resources and playing defensive. Offensively, streak is use selectively not repeatedly.

Ah yes fear, you noticed how I didn't mention it, the only class that can truly utilize it well is NB.

DKs stun/immobilize - have to be within 7m of you, only use is for CC. But it is also overtuned.
Necro, nope just move out of the red aoe, takes 2 seconds to tick or just avoid it on the ground. Grants synergy/min prot
Werewolf, uh I barely see them anymore.
Turn Evil - High base cost, if you place it while moving it appears behind you. Can be used for min prot and min end. Easily avoided.
Streak - Very fast action time, unblockable stun, can be used as a charge or a way to flee.

Don't think I don't know about other classes. I have every single class in the game at max level.

My favorite class to play and the one I play most is Stamsorc, but sorry Streak is broken.

Draevik wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

You guys act like every other stun in the game cannot be blocked, as far as I can recall only sorcs and DKs stuns are unblockable.

Changing streak would ruin sorcs??? how exactly because you cannot survive forever by doing cheese streaking away the minute someone does some damage to you.

I see it ALL the time in BGs, nonstop people streaking away the instant they take damage, coming in and blowing people up, stunning whole groups, streaking back and forth to get a stun.

It is such a heavily abused ability and is completely broken just like Fossilize.

It is funny that you can block all these ultimate stuns, yet sorc has 2 stuns that cannot be blocked

Oh and don't run rune cage, run defensive rune. 90% of people don't roll dodge it because they are too busy trying to kill you.

Point being no ability should give you so much utility as Streak. If people looked at the game objectively they would realize there are quite a few overtuned abilities, and streak is certainly one of them.

Any instance of Fear cannot be blocked. So Nightblades, DKs, Necros, all have unblockable stuns. And Werewolfs, and all stam characters. In fact, most of them are also AOE unblockable stuns. And on all of those classes the unblockable stuns can actually be followed up with real attacks without the user needing to reposition themselves to attack.

Good players break free from streak before a sorc can even turn around to attack. And if a sorc is repeatedly streaking through you, they are burning resources and playing defensive. Offensively, streak is use selectively not repeatedly.

Ah yes fear, you noticed how I didn't mention it, the only class that can truly utilize it well is NB.

DKs stun/immobilize - have to be within 7m of you, only use is for CC. But it is also overtuned.
Necro, nope just move out of the red aoe, takes 2 seconds to tick or just avoid it on the ground. Grants synergy/min prot
Werewolf, uh I barely see them anymore.
Turn Evil - High base cost, if you place it while moving it appears behind you. Can be used for min prot and min end. Easily avoided.
Streak - Very fast action time, unblockable stun, can be used as a charge or a way to flee.

Don't think I don't know about other classes. I have every single class in the game at max level.

My favorite class to play and the one I play most is Stamsorc, but sorry Streak is broken.

You didn't mention fear, but you literally said "You guys act like every other stun in the game cannot be blocked, as far as I can recall only sorcs and DKs stuns are unblockable." So you clearly weren't thinking of fear, an unblockable undodgeable stun.

Streak does two things. Stuns and teleports. And at the price of a ramping cost to use. The user is still vulnerable to attack while escaping, and being able to escape is such an irrelevant function of the skill. Nightblades have far greater tools to escape, including a pet that can literally teleport them around corners and up floors, on top of a skill that literally makes them disappear. Every other class is built to brawl and really has no need for escape tools. But sorcs and nightblades are not build that way. And really, complaining about someone running away is ridiculous. So what. Let them run.

And streak used as a charge. Yeah, nothing safer than moving your ranged class directly to the enemies you are attacking.

It's not overtuned just because you die to it.

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

Good players break free from streak before a sorc can even turn around to attack.

Have you ever been in Cyrolag?

Lag is not an excuse or an argument to nerf or buff skills.

Draevik wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

You guys act like every other stun in the game cannot be blocked, as far as I can recall only sorcs and DKs stuns are unblockable.

Changing streak would ruin sorcs??? how exactly because you cannot survive forever by doing cheese streaking away the minute someone does some damage to you.

I see it ALL the time in BGs, nonstop people streaking away the instant they take damage, coming in and blowing people up, stunning whole groups, streaking back and forth to get a stun.

It is such a heavily abused ability and is completely broken just like Fossilize.

It is funny that you can block all these ultimate stuns, yet sorc has 2 stuns that cannot be blocked

Oh and don't run rune cage, run defensive rune. 90% of people don't roll dodge it because they are too busy trying to kill you.

Point being no ability should give you so much utility as Streak. If people looked at the game objectively they would realize there are quite a few overtuned abilities, and streak is certainly one of them.

Any instance of Fear cannot be blocked. So Nightblades, DKs, Necros, all have unblockable stuns. And Werewolfs, and all stam characters. In fact, most of them are also AOE unblockable stuns. And on all of those classes the unblockable stuns can actually be followed up with real attacks without the user needing to reposition themselves to attack.

Good players break free from streak before a sorc can even turn around to attack. And if a sorc is repeatedly streaking through you, they are burning resources and playing defensive. Offensively, streak is use selectively not repeatedly.

Ah yes fear, you noticed how I didn't mention it, the only class that can truly utilize it well is NB.

DKs stun/immobilize - have to be within 7m of you, only use is for CC. But it is also overtuned.
Necro, nope just move out of the red aoe, takes 2 seconds to tick or just avoid it on the ground. Grants synergy/min prot
Werewolf, uh I barely see them anymore.
Turn Evil - High base cost, if you place it while moving it appears behind you. Can be used for min prot and min end. Easily avoided.
Streak - Very fast action time, unblockable stun, can be used as a charge or a way to flee.

Don't think I don't know about other classes. I have every single class in the game at max level.

My favorite class to play and the one I play most is Stamsorc, but sorry Streak is broken.

A skill does not need to be overloaded to be annoying or broken. Tapling charge is 9ne of the most annoying skills to fight against, I would rather streak work like tapling charge. Fast, target based, and provide a meaningful debuff. Magnum shpt is simple stun yet it provide knock back which is worse than regular stun. Surprise attack and dizzy are spammables with built in stuns.

Biggest pro of streak is its biggest which is using it multie times. Everytime you use it, it ramps up its cost, no skill in the game function like this. Also, it only gets you 15m while gap closers are 21m and range attacks are 28-32m. Also, it could get you too far from your target and ruins your combo. It works best in open areas, close areas are worst use for streak. It does not work well with terrain, if you are ascend a hill, it will only move you a short distance, and if you are decending it will streal you throufh the air and puts you in fall animation which is the worst then could happen to you in PvP. Streak at best very situational and require a could ping to function properly.

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

You guys act like every other stun in the game cannot be blocked, as far as I can recall only sorcs and DKs stuns are unblockable.

Changing streak would ruin sorcs??? how exactly because you cannot survive forever by doing cheese streaking away the minute someone does some damage to you.

I see it ALL the time in BGs, nonstop people streaking away the instant they take damage, coming in and blowing people up, stunning whole groups, streaking back and forth to get a stun.

It is such a heavily abused ability and is completely broken just like Fossilize.

It is funny that you can block all these ultimate stuns, yet sorc has 2 stuns that cannot be blocked

Oh and don't run rune cage, run defensive rune. 90% of people don't roll dodge it because they are too busy trying to kill you.

Point being no ability should give you so much utility as Streak. If people looked at the game objectively they would realize there are quite a few overtuned abilities, and streak is certainly one of them.

Any instance of Fear cannot be blocked. So Nightblades, DKs, Necros, all have unblockable stuns. And Werewolfs, and all stam characters. In fact, most of them are also AOE unblockable stuns. And on all of those classes the unblockable stuns can actually be followed up with real attacks without the user needing to reposition themselves to attack.

Good players break free from streak before a sorc can even turn around to attack. And if a sorc is repeatedly streaking through you, they are burning resources and playing defensive. Offensively, streak is use selectively not repeatedly.

Ah yes fear, you noticed how I didn't mention it, the only class that can truly utilize it well is NB.

DKs stun/immobilize - have to be within 7m of you, only use is for CC. But it is also overtuned.
Necro, nope just move out of the red aoe, takes 2 seconds to tick or just avoid it on the ground. Grants synergy/min prot
Werewolf, uh I barely see them anymore.
Turn Evil - High base cost, if you place it while moving it appears behind you. Can be used for min prot and min end. Easily avoided.
Streak - Very fast action time, unblockable stun, can be used as a charge or a way to flee.

Don't think I don't know about other classes. I have every single class in the game at max level.

My favorite class to play and the one I play most is Stamsorc, but sorry Streak is broken.

You didn't mention fear, but you literally said "You guys act like every other stun in the game cannot be blocked, as far as I can recall only sorcs and DKs stuns are unblockable." So you clearly weren't thinking of fear, an unblockable undodgeable stun.

Streak does two things. Stuns and teleports. And at the price of a ramping cost to use. The user is still vulnerable to attack while escaping, and being able to escape is such an irrelevant function of the skill. Nightblades have far greater tools to escape, including a pet that can literally teleport them around corners and up floors, on top of a skill that literally makes them disappear. Every other class is built to brawl and really has no need for escape tools. But sorcs and nightblades are not build that way. And really, complaining about someone running away is ridiculous. So what. Let them run.

And streak used as a charge. Yeah, nothing safer than moving your ranged class directly to the enemies you are attacking.

It's not overtuned just because you die to it.

Are you really serious? Comparing streak to a NB, the most cheese class in the game with cloak? That is bad measuring stick.

There are outlier skills, more than just streak, but streak needs a change.

Having an ability that can gap close and stun is not good? Having an ability that stuns your opponent as you try to flee is not good? Having an ability that puts you 15 meters away is not good?

You can engage and disengage at will, that is the ultimate mobility skill with an attached UNBLOCKABLE stun.

If it wasn't so powerful every single sorc in the game wouldn't use it. Unless they have some modicum of respect and don't enjoy abusing broken things.

But hey I guess that is some peoples desired playstyle. Some people play their class so much they become completely blind to its power.

The difference is I am not trying to nerf Nightblade. I think they are fine. And I have more playtime on non-sorc classes in PVP than sorc. So the bias is all on you and others who somehow, even with procs back again, cannot find a way to beat the easiest and most predictable class to fight against.

See I love how you keep trying to appeal to my ego, "keep getting beat, "don't know how to beat" etc. You are relying on either a confirmation that I beat them easily or cannot win against them because of the mechanics.

I would say when you go into bgs and a sorc goes 22-0 or something similar against everyone else there, merely surviving and getting the first hit with streak... I think I call streak the problem in that scenario.

There are so many people in Cyrodil who can string together 4-5 streaks and just run back and forth over you while while endless furying you to death. That's why it needs some form of counter. Or 3 streaks in a row and you cant catch them even with wild hunt. I have no idea how these people string together so many streaks in the first place considering how it escalates in cost. Even with a lot of recovery they are spamming it a crazy amount.

Its also impossible to break free of anything in no cp cyrodil.
My Magnum shot doesnt seem to stun anyone and the knockback also is iffy.
Oh and cloak doesn't work half the time as it is so no nerfing needed there.

Draevik wrote: »

Okay then if streak is a terrible skill as you all say, I want to see videos of you not using it at all. Come on I am sure it is not necessary for the playstyle.

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

You guys act like every other stun in the game cannot be blocked, as far as I can recall only sorcs and DKs stuns are unblockable.

Changing streak would ruin sorcs??? how exactly because you cannot survive forever by doing cheese streaking away the minute someone does some damage to you.

I see it ALL the time in BGs, nonstop people streaking away the instant they take damage, coming in and blowing people up, stunning whole groups, streaking back and forth to get a stun.

It is such a heavily abused ability and is completely broken just like Fossilize.

It is funny that you can block all these ultimate stuns, yet sorc has 2 stuns that cannot be blocked

Oh and don't run rune cage, run defensive rune. 90% of people don't roll dodge it because they are too busy trying to kill you.

Point being no ability should give you so much utility as Streak. If people looked at the game objectively they would realize there are quite a few overtuned abilities, and streak is certainly one of them.

Any instance of Fear cannot be blocked. So Nightblades, DKs, Necros, all have unblockable stuns. And Werewolfs, and all stam characters. In fact, most of them are also AOE unblockable stuns. And on all of those classes the unblockable stuns can actually be followed up with real attacks without the user needing to reposition themselves to attack.

Good players break free from streak before a sorc can even turn around to attack. And if a sorc is repeatedly streaking through you, they are burning resources and playing defensive. Offensively, streak is use selectively not repeatedly.

Ah yes fear, you noticed how I didn't mention it, the only class that can truly utilize it well is NB.

DKs stun/immobilize - have to be within 7m of you, only use is for CC. But it is also overtuned.
Necro, nope just move out of the red aoe, takes 2 seconds to tick or just avoid it on the ground. Grants synergy/min prot
Werewolf, uh I barely see them anymore.
Turn Evil - High base cost, if you place it while moving it appears behind you. Can be used for min prot and min end. Easily avoided.
Streak - Very fast action time, unblockable stun, can be used as a charge or a way to flee.

Don't think I don't know about other classes. I have every single class in the game at max level.

My favorite class to play and the one I play most is Stamsorc, but sorry Streak is broken.

You didn't mention fear, but you literally said "You guys act like every other stun in the game cannot be blocked, as far as I can recall only sorcs and DKs stuns are unblockable." So you clearly weren't thinking of fear, an unblockable undodgeable stun.

Streak does two things. Stuns and teleports. And at the price of a ramping cost to use. The user is still vulnerable to attack while escaping, and being able to escape is such an irrelevant function of the skill. Nightblades have far greater tools to escape, including a pet that can literally teleport them around corners and up floors, on top of a skill that literally makes them disappear. Every other class is built to brawl and really has no need for escape tools. But sorcs and nightblades are not build that way. And really, complaining about someone running away is ridiculous. So what. Let them run.

And streak used as a charge. Yeah, nothing safer than moving your ranged class directly to the enemies you are attacking.

It's not overtuned just because you die to it.

Are you really serious? Comparing streak to a NB, the most cheese class in the game with cloak? That is bad measuring stick.

There are outlier skills, more than just streak, but streak needs a change.

Having an ability that can gap close and stun is not good? Having an ability that stuns your opponent as you try to flee is not good? Having an ability that puts you 15 meters away is not good?

You can engage and disengage at will, that is the ultimate mobility skill with an attached UNBLOCKABLE stun.

If it wasn't so powerful every single sorc in the game wouldn't use it. Unless they have some modicum of respect and don't enjoy abusing broken things.

But hey I guess that is some peoples desired playstyle. Some people play their class so much they become completely blind to its power.

The difference is I am not trying to nerf Nightblade. I think they are fine. And I have more playtime on non-sorc classes in PVP than sorc. So the bias is all on you and others who somehow, even with procs back again, cannot find a way to beat the easiest and most predictable class to fight against.

See I love how you keep trying to appeal to my ego, "keep getting beat, "don't know how to beat" etc. You are relying on either a confirmation that I beat them easily or cannot win against them because of the mechanics.

I would say when you go into bgs and a sorc goes 22-0 or something similar against everyone else there, merely surviving and getting the first hit with streak... I think I call streak the problem in that scenario.

See, 22-0 in BGs is not a streak problem. That is a sorc finishing opponents. Streak doesn't do that. Not to mention other factors that can contribute, like a healer on the team, or just flat out terrible opponents. BGs is a pretty awful measure of any level of class competency. And I am not trying to appeal to anything, there are literally people in this thread saying they don't know how to deal with sorcs. So clearly a user issue, not a sorc issue. Sorcs are easy to take. They melt when you look at them. And sometimes they run away. Stupid people try to chase them. Smart players let them go because if they are running away it means you were beating them and you can then just beat them again if they come back.

I will just stick to my original question I guess since conversation will always be those who use it devalue it publicly to play down the power...

Show me a PVP video of you using streak and one without it. If it is such a weak skills why does every Sorc use it, I just don't understand.

Being useful, being weak, and being op are three different things. Sorcs use streak because it is literally the only reliable stun a sorc has. And even then, reliable is a misnomer because it provides terrible positioning for burst combos.

I guarantee you, most sorcs would prefer to have rune cage be an undodgeable stun again over being forced into melee range to stun an opponent.

Streak is useful. Not weak. Useful with disadvantages. It costs increasingly more, puts you in melee range of opponents who do more damage to you because of the armor you have to wear, puts you out of position for follow up attacks. It isn't OP just because it is used. It isn't weak just because it has disadvantages. It is useful. And doing anything to it would pretty much ruin it as a skill. And unfortunately, also ruin sorcs ability to do anything but heavy attacks and pets.

Draevik wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

You guys act like every other stun in the game cannot be blocked, as far as I can recall only sorcs and DKs stuns are unblockable.

Changing streak would ruin sorcs??? how exactly because you cannot survive forever by doing cheese streaking away the minute someone does some damage to you.

I see it ALL the time in BGs, nonstop people streaking away the instant they take damage, coming in and blowing people up, stunning whole groups, streaking back and forth to get a stun.

It is such a heavily abused ability and is completely broken just like Fossilize.

It is funny that you can block all these ultimate stuns, yet sorc has 2 stuns that cannot be blocked

Oh and don't run rune cage, run defensive rune. 90% of people don't roll dodge it because they are too busy trying to kill you.

Point being no ability should give you so much utility as Streak. If people looked at the game objectively they would realize there are quite a few overtuned abilities, and streak is certainly one of them.

Any instance of Fear cannot be blocked. So Nightblades, DKs, Necros, all have unblockable stuns. And Werewolfs, and all stam characters. In fact, most of them are also AOE unblockable stuns. And on all of those classes the unblockable stuns can actually be followed up with real attacks without the user needing to reposition themselves to attack.

Good players break free from streak before a sorc can even turn around to attack. And if a sorc is repeatedly streaking through you, they are burning resources and playing defensive. Offensively, streak is use selectively not repeatedly.

Ah yes fear, you noticed how I didn't mention it, the only class that can truly utilize it well is NB.

DKs stun/immobilize - have to be within 7m of you, only use is for CC. But it is also overtuned.
Necro, nope just move out of the red aoe, takes 2 seconds to tick or just avoid it on the ground. Grants synergy/min prot
Werewolf, uh I barely see them anymore.
Turn Evil - High base cost, if you place it while moving it appears behind you. Can be used for min prot and min end. Easily avoided.
Streak - Very fast action time, unblockable stun, can be used as a charge or a way to flee.

Don't think I don't know about other classes. I have every single class in the game at max level.

My favorite class to play and the one I play most is Stamsorc, but sorry Streak is broken.

You didn't mention fear, but you literally said "You guys act like every other stun in the game cannot be blocked, as far as I can recall only sorcs and DKs stuns are unblockable." So you clearly weren't thinking of fear, an unblockable undodgeable stun.

Streak does two things. Stuns and teleports. And at the price of a ramping cost to use. The user is still vulnerable to attack while escaping, and being able to escape is such an irrelevant function of the skill. Nightblades have far greater tools to escape, including a pet that can literally teleport them around corners and up floors, on top of a skill that literally makes them disappear. Every other class is built to brawl and really has no need for escape tools. But sorcs and nightblades are not build that way. And really, complaining about someone running away is ridiculous. So what. Let them run.

And streak used as a charge. Yeah, nothing safer than moving your ranged class directly to the enemies you are attacking.

It's not overtuned just because you die to it.

Are you really serious? Comparing streak to a NB, the most cheese class in the game with cloak? That is bad measuring stick.

There are outlier skills, more than just streak, but streak needs a change.

Having an ability that can gap close and stun is not good? Having an ability that stuns your opponent as you try to flee is not good? Having an ability that puts you 15 meters away is not good?

You can engage and disengage at will, that is the ultimate mobility skill with an attached UNBLOCKABLE stun.

If it wasn't so powerful every single sorc in the game wouldn't use it. Unless they have some modicum of respect and don't enjoy abusing broken things.

But hey I guess that is some peoples desired playstyle. Some people play their class so much they become completely blind to its power.

The difference is I am not trying to nerf Nightblade. I think they are fine. And I have more playtime on non-sorc classes in PVP than sorc. So the bias is all on you and others who somehow, even with procs back again, cannot find a way to beat the easiest and most predictable class to fight against.

See I love how you keep trying to appeal to my ego, "keep getting beat, "don't know how to beat" etc. You are relying on either a confirmation that I beat them easily or cannot win against them because of the mechanics.

I would say when you go into bgs and a sorc goes 22-0 or something similar against everyone else there, merely surviving and getting the first hit with streak... I think I call streak the problem in that scenario.

Every class can go 22-0 in BGs. Means nothing.

Draevik wrote: »

Okay then if streak is a terrible skill as you all say, I want to see videos of you not using it at all. Come on I am sure it is not necessary for the playstyle.

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Draevik wrote: »

You guys act like every other stun in the game cannot be blocked, as far as I can recall only sorcs and DKs stuns are unblockable.

Changing streak would ruin sorcs??? how exactly because you cannot survive forever by doing cheese streaking away the minute someone does some damage to you.

I see it ALL the time in BGs, nonstop people streaking away the instant they take damage, coming in and blowing people up, stunning whole groups, streaking back and forth to get a stun.

It is such a heavily abused ability and is completely broken just like Fossilize.

It is funny that you can block all these ultimate stuns, yet sorc has 2 stuns that cannot be blocked

Oh and don't run rune cage, run defensive rune. 90% of people don't roll dodge it because they are too busy trying to kill you.

Point being no ability should give you so much utility as Streak. If people looked at the game objectively they would realize there are quite a few overtuned abilities, and streak is certainly one of them.

Any instance of Fear cannot be blocked. So Nightblades, DKs, Necros, all have unblockable stuns. And Werewolfs, and all stam characters. In fact, most of them are also AOE unblockable stuns. And on all of those classes the unblockable stuns can actually be followed up with real attacks without the user needing to reposition themselves to attack.

Good players break free from streak before a sorc can even turn around to attack. And if a sorc is repeatedly streaking through you, they are burning resources and playing defensive. Offensively, streak is use selectively not repeatedly.

Ah yes fear, you noticed how I didn't mention it, the only class that can truly utilize it well is NB.

DKs stun/immobilize - have to be within 7m of you, only use is for CC. But it is also overtuned.
Necro, nope just move out of the red aoe, takes 2 seconds to tick or just avoid it on the ground. Grants synergy/min prot
Werewolf, uh I barely see them anymore.
Turn Evil - High base cost, if you place it while moving it appears behind you. Can be used for min prot and min end. Easily avoided.
Streak - Very fast action time, unblockable stun, can be used as a charge or a way to flee.

Don't think I don't know about other classes. I have every single class in the game at max level.

My favorite class to play and the one I play most is Stamsorc, but sorry Streak is broken.

You didn't mention fear, but you literally said "You guys act like every other stun in the game cannot be blocked, as far as I can recall only sorcs and DKs stuns are unblockable." So you clearly weren't thinking of fear, an unblockable undodgeable stun.

Streak does two things. Stuns and teleports. And at the price of a ramping cost to use. The user is still vulnerable to attack while escaping, and being able to escape is such an irrelevant function of the skill. Nightblades have far greater tools to escape, including a pet that can literally teleport them around corners and up floors, on top of a skill that literally makes them disappear. Every other class is built to brawl and really has no need for escape tools. But sorcs and nightblades are not build that way. And really, complaining about someone running away is ridiculous. So what. Let them run.

And streak used as a charge. Yeah, nothing safer than moving your ranged class directly to the enemies you are attacking.

It's not overtuned just because you die to it.

Are you really serious? Comparing streak to a NB, the most cheese class in the game with cloak? That is bad measuring stick.

There are outlier skills, more than just streak, but streak needs a change.

Having an ability that can gap close and stun is not good? Having an ability that stuns your opponent as you try to flee is not good? Having an ability that puts you 15 meters away is not good?

You can engage and disengage at will, that is the ultimate mobility skill with an attached UNBLOCKABLE stun.

If it wasn't so powerful every single sorc in the game wouldn't use it. Unless they have some modicum of respect and don't enjoy abusing broken things.

But hey I guess that is some peoples desired playstyle. Some people play their class so much they become completely blind to its power.

The difference is I am not trying to nerf Nightblade. I think they are fine. And I have more playtime on non-sorc classes in PVP than sorc. So the bias is all on you and others who somehow, even with procs back again, cannot find a way to beat the easiest and most predictable class to fight against.

See I love how you keep trying to appeal to my ego, "keep getting beat, "don't know how to beat" etc. You are relying on either a confirmation that I beat them easily or cannot win against them because of the mechanics.

I would say when you go into bgs and a sorc goes 22-0 or something similar against everyone else there, merely surviving and getting the first hit with streak... I think I call streak the problem in that scenario.

See, 22-0 in BGs is not a streak problem. That is a sorc finishing opponents. Streak doesn't do that. Not to mention other factors that can contribute, like a healer on the team, or just flat out terrible opponents. BGs is a pretty awful measure of any level of class competency. And I am not trying to appeal to anything, there are literally people in this thread saying they don't know how to deal with sorcs. So clearly a user issue, not a sorc issue. Sorcs are easy to take. They melt when you look at them. And sometimes they run away. Stupid people try to chase them. Smart players let them go because if they are running away it means you were beating them and you can then just beat them again if they come back.

I will just stick to my original question I guess since conversation will always be those who use it devalue it publicly to play down the power...

Show me a PVP video of you using streak and one without it. If it is such a weak skills why does every Sorc use it, I just don't understand.

Because why even play sorc if you don't use streak?
Stamsorc without streak is just a poverty stamden or stamdk depending on build. Magsorc without streak is as bad as magblade is.

The skill is strong, sure. But the entire class is dependant on it in pvp. If streak is to be nerfed the class needs some heavy buffs.

I think all stuns should have a 2s delay like Necromancers. lol.