What's the point of pvp?

marderforhire · April 2014

Ok I'm a huge pvper. All I really do in MMO's.

Given that pvp in this game is OK but what's the point? There's no real reward in the pvp arena. You take some keeps and minute's later it's retaken there's little cooperation between guilds.

And guild , able to join 5 guilds? What's the point there's no loyalty to a certain guild , no player built bases no guild vs guild wars to take away territory.

Take eve online for example alliances actually mean something player alliances own and fight over territory. There is a reward for working together.

Here there is not. It feels boring and bland to pvp.

Death means nothing you can't loot players you killed .. you die you re spawn with little to no penalty.

Eve online got this right. You die you lose everything on your ship and if pod is destroyed you lose skill points it gives players a greater respect for playing smart.

I like this game but I wish there was a better newer idea of pvp and more player driven content were player guilds could create keeps / alliances ect..

Gaudrath · April 2014

Eve is a sandbox game, and a huge one at that - what was the latest count, 10 000 star systems? Or was that planets?

Cyrodiil is way too small for sandbox PvP, you'd have a fort on every hilltop. So for this game, the point is not territory control. It is to crush your enemies, see them driven before you and listen to the lamentations of their women.

Shadrail · April 2014

Gaudrath wrote: »

It is to crush your enemies, see them driven before you and listen to the lamentations of their women.

This

Also, the penalty is having to run for at least 4 min to get back in the fight, and thats if its close

codyyoungnub18_ESO · April 2014

That's all you do in MMO's and your here instead of DarkFall...

Sure buddy sure.

knaveofengland · April 2014

the game is new next you be wanting any node farmers pay you for harvesting them , then kill then after wards ,the bugs are great for fishing do try it.
just about everyone has played a mmo , and we are all critics we know about football cricket etc.
give it time

Gisgo · April 2014

Im gonna be half an ass here but if you really like something, doing it is the reward.
PvP gives me a thrill that PvE doesnt, and thats enough to play it.

Now that i have been half an ass, i gotta say you have a point.
PvP is like the lesser child at the moment.

yodased · April 2014

This way to EVE .......>

Dovel · April 2014

PVP is for fun of course. Just like everything else.

or

PVP is so you can crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

marderforhire · April 2014

yodased wrote: »

This way to EVE .......>

Thx for being a douce with no logical dicussion.

knaveofengland wrote: »

the game is new next you be wanting any node farmers pay you for harvesting them , then kill then after wards ,the bugs are great for fishing do try it.
just about everyone has played a mmo , and we are all critics we know about football cricket etc.
give it time

This game is weak pvp and is no different then wow or guild wars , I'd love to see a mmo in this style with an open sandbox pvp like eve online. How hard is that to ask?

Kewljag_66_ESO · April 2014

Well there is a war between the 3 alliances and each alliance has their foot in Cyrodiil. The idea behind the PVP here is that you are building and leveling a character for the purpose of defending your lands. the rewards for pvp is how well your alliance is doing in Cyrodiil and what they control. the more your alliance controls the stronger your character is, as well the gold they can make and the exp they can progress. So in this system PVP has an effect on PVE. this makes what happens in PVP important to you and gives it a purpose beyond just fighting an opponent

Nox_Aeterna · April 2014

marderforhire wrote: »

knaveofengland wrote: »

the game is new next you be wanting any node farmers pay you for harvesting them , then kill then after wards ,the bugs are great for fishing do try it.
just about everyone has played a mmo , and we are all critics we know about football cricket etc.
give it time

This game is weak pvp and is no different then wow or guild wars , I'd love to see a mmo in this style with an open sandbox pvp like eve online. How hard is that to ask?

I dont see any problem in asking , but that is probably the limit of how far this is going to go.

eve is built from the ground up to fit that system , this game is not.

Im not saying there will not be another MMO that is more similar to eve , but i dont think this one will change , and change a LOT to fit that.

Right now , your best bet is really playing eve.

Kingcroft · April 2014

Gaudrath wrote: »

So for this game, the point is not territory control. It is to crush your enemies, see them driven before you and listen to the lamentations of their women.

What is good, Conan?

Orizuru · April 2014

I've always felt the best reward PVP gives is a thinking opponent who doesn't follow a scripted combat UI.

Why does everything always have to be about the reward? Have you never done something just because it was fun?

LadyChaos · April 2014

@marderforhire‌

While I share your love of EVE and support it's pure PvP nature, It is not the same comparison. There are so few games that are pure PvP and still community based as EVE, if any at all (but it has it's own trade-offs). I often find myself trying not to mock people who say they are hardcore PvP but never played EVE. I do agree this ISN'T EVE, but I wasn't looking for an EVE recreation,personally.

I agree with you on the guilds in ESO. I would like to see more guild flair on the battlefield. I'm optimistic with community feedback this will come. I don't have that "this is my guilds land and you will pay for trying to pass through it" feel that I would like, personally.

greylox · April 2014

Fun, pure and simple. There's no lasting consequences, bar a few buffs from scrolls. It would be nice to have something a bit more to work towards though.