zvavi wrote: »

Why are you even replying to such idiots? Just finish the dungeon and call it a day.

😝 Venting, I just can't believe it. It's been years since anyone wanted to kick me.

I had the opposite yesterday, tank got on mic to yell at everyone that they must have an ice staff or taunt on cause the boss kept turning around and boinking people 🤣🤣🤣
Like no, he just does that (and unfortunately yes our dds lacked braincells).

Hexi wrote: »

If I join a random dungeon group, and the tank isn't using a shield, then I'm not using a healing staff. It's only fair.

😂 Had shield, taunt etc

From the posts above, typical random dungeon -it’s everyone else’s fault apart from me- lol

Never get why people rage in game, it’s a game. It’s the grp is not working out. Just leave...

Hexi wrote: »

If I join a random dungeon group, and the tank isn't using a shield, then I'm not using a healing staff. It's only fair.

Was doing pledges with some friends, first was an easy dungeon so 4 dd run although my magplar has extended ritual and ritual of rebirth, second dungeon was vCoA2 , here we need an tank I said got the answer that we try without.
Well then I would not use an resto staff either, we managed and none died on last boss even trough I had to spam ritual of rebirth quite a bit but I was not using an resto staff if we did not had an tank.
Granted had we wiped because to high damage I would switched for next run.

This is an group who tend to do vet dlc dungeons a lot and would not used any other alts for that stunt.

Now I have been called out a bit for joining pledge groups with tank in overland setup and no food. But that is just an fast click in dressing room and some food.

Hexi wrote: »

If I join a random dungeon group, and the tank isn't using a shield, then I'm not using a healing staff. It's only fair.

*Sad frost staff tank noises*

I tank with a Ice Staff and don't remember anyone accusing me of being a fake tank. Which is honestly surprising considering how often I see people jump to conclusions about other players in the Activity Finder.

Actually one time I did have someone insult me in whispers talking about how crappy my damage was because they thought I was a DPS. I told them I was the tank, and then they pointed out I was using a staff as if that somehow meant I wasn't the tank. But that's the only time I can think of anything like that happening to me. In his/her defense, one of the DPS was using a shield and taunting the mobs, so I can understand how they got confused. But still, that wasn't my fault.

zaria wrote: »

Now I have been called out a bit for joining pledge groups with tank in overland setup and no food. But that is just an fast click in dressing room and some food.

I hope you reply saying "oh sorry my queue was just SO fast, I didn't have time to get dressed and eat"

Still, all these posts are why my fully kitted tank with 4-5 gear sets to chose from has been through exactly one dungeon once (nFG1 for undaunted start lol). I'd like to play with him more but tanking and especially learning to tank seems very unpleasant without a dedicated group to run with.

I remember that once I was accused of being a fake tank because...

* Dramatic drum roll *

I was accidentally doing more DPS than an actual DPS... which was around 10 - 15K...

It did not matterd that our DPS players were just... bad. It did not matterd that I was able to tank the boss... pretty much forever (because that is what happens when DPS does not do DPS).

All that matterd is that someone had an add-on that showed them that tank does more dmg than dps... so obviously I had to be fake and I got trash-talked and kicked.

This was my final group dungeon experience. Since then, I only do those that I can solo. Too toxic for me. Sorry.

Heh, this thread just goes to show that people are obsessed with "fake tanks" and assume that someone isn't a tank just because they aren't the usual build. This is a DIRECT EFFECT of ZOS shoehorning people into specific builds to cater to players that come from WOW and other MMOs. I watched a video awhile back of some 16k health Sorc tanking vHRC....the warrior is no joke with his attacks as far health goes....but the sorc was able to tank him just fine even being so far off from a typical tank build.

The point is that because of certain preconceptions people have about tanks unconventional tank builds take a lot of flak. In a random pug though no one should be judging anyone else until they fail to perform their role. Of course...there is the fact that there are plenty of DPS that are trying to skip the queue and adding to the problem.

I know MMO players like their trinity, but they really need to let that way of thinking die. Sure, if someone queues as a tank, that should be their focus and failing to do that should definitely result in them being vote-kicked, but the DPS should also be adaptable and realize that for whatever reason(bad tanking, bosses that don't taunt, that have random aggro mechs, sheer overwhelming amounts of ads, etc) they need to be able to take care of themselves and that they are not always going to be able to stand still to focus on their rotation. I am honestly not sure why people who want to do nothing but stand in one place an entire fight even go into dungeons....seems like a target dummy is meant for that type of thing. A lot of DPS I have seen seem to fail to realize a battlefield is a dynamically shifting situation and that role overlap is sometimes needed, and in fact role overlap in actually desirable in some fights(IE a pure tank is near worthless when fighting Drodda or the Engine Guardian...or even Zaan, an off-tank setup is far better for all those fights).

I guess what I am trying to say is that I feel aggravated by the lack of flexibility much of the playerbase shows and that ZOS promotes more and more as time goes on...it is in fact what has led me to logging in less and less lately. Why should I bother to tank for DPS who seem to be obsessed with their DPS numbers to the exclusion of everything else? Sure, for trifectas, HMs, trial score runs, that is all reasonable...but for some random dungeon run? No thanks. People need to calm down and realize that random pugs are casual...if you want progression runs, make a group.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I remember that once I was accused of being a fake tank because...

* Dramatic drum roll *

I was accidentally doing more DPS than an actual DPS... which was around 10 - 15K...

It did not matterd that our DPS players were just... bad. It did not matterd that I was able to tank the boss... pretty much forever (because that is what happens when DPS does not do DPS).

All that matterd is that someone had an add-on that showed them that tank does more dmg than dps... so obviously I had to be fake and I got trash-talked and kicked.

This was my final group dungeon experience. Since then, I only do those that I can solo. Too toxic for me. Sorry.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat...... Now I'm wondering if that's why I randomly got vote kicked for no reason at all when I was a healer. It was a hybrid DPS with group/healing support and I was doing very well. Nobody died and our enemies dropped quickly. Then suddenly.... Vote kick and they didn't even talk to me. No explanation at all, just silence.