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Mag Dk needs old wings back.
regime211
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Hey there, its me again just letting you know Magicka Dragonknight's need their old reflect wings back, its out of pocket how we keep taking long range damage constantly that reduction for what we have now isn't good enough, from a pvp perspective playing solo or small scale and being zerged down by multiple ranged enemies, our wings just doesn't help with survivability!
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Would be nice if this happens. MagDK is in a bad position in the actual meta.Soul of Cinder - Dunmer Magicka DK - Kampagne: Graumoor - Ebenherz Pakt
Cpt. Reeves - Nord Stamina Warden - Kampagne: Graumoor - Ebenherz Pakt
Ragnar Odinsson - Nord Stamina DK - Kampagne: Graumoor - Ebenherz Pakt
Dracul the Impaler - Khajit Stamina NB - Kampagne: Graumoor - Ebenherz Pakt8 -
Nemeliom✭✭✭✭What? I play main MagDK pvp in cyrodiil. I'm having tons of fun. MagDK isn't in a bad place AT ALL.
Not being able to tank off 5 ppl hitting you isn't weakness. No one should be able.
But if those 5 ppl are snipers, then it's really easy to tank them off. Even kill them. Just use your wing, reduce 50% projectile damage and you cause flame damage back to the attacker. That alone should give you tons of survival against ranged attacks. Then just leap when you see one with half health bar and whip. R.I.P.
I love how magDK is doing this days. Of course this buff would come handy, but I don't think it's really needed.Baradur Morker - Level 50 Bosmer Nightblade
Le-Duck - Level 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight
Boom-Stormer - Level 50 High Elf Sorcerer
Nemeliom the Great - Level 50 Redguard Warden
Crazy Little Maggie - Level 50 High Elf Templar8 -
Veg✭✭✭✭✭What? I play main MagDK pvp in cyrodiil. I'm having tons of fun. MagDK isn't in a bad place AT ALL.
Not being able to tank off 5 ppl hitting you isn't weakness. No one should be able.
But if those 5 ppl are snipers, then it's really easy to tank them off. Even kill them. Just use your wing, reduce 50% projectile damage and you cause flame damage back to the attacker. That alone should give you tons of survival against ranged attacks. Then just leap when you see one with half health bar and whip. R.I.P.
I love how magDK is doing this days. Of course this buff would come handy, but I don't think it's really needed.
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Fawn4287✭✭✭✭✭
✭People really crave poor balance this badly? Old wings are too hard of a counter to magsorc and magblade, of which I play neither. All the magdks who’ve been crutching on malacath, heavy armour and proc damage sets think an absurd wings buff make things as easy they were last patch. Wait until you play in the sewers, if you think magsorcs strong wait until you play against proc sets again and fight a stam build in pariah with malacath and balorgh on. When you’re getting wrecking blow spammed for as hard as a c frag hits by a character with capped resists and huge health recovery you won’t have the slightest problem with sorcs anymore.5 -
Veg✭✭✭✭✭People really crave poor balance this badly? Old wings are too hard of a counter to magsorc and magblade, of which I play neither. All the magdks who’ve been crutching on malacath, heavy armour and proc damage sets think an absurd wings buff make things as easy they were last patch. Wait until you play in the sewers, if you think magsorcs strong wait until you play against proc sets again and fight a stam build in pariah with malacath and balorgh on. When you’re getting wrecking blow spammed for as hard as a c frag hits by a character with capped resists and huge health recovery you won’t have the slightest problem with sorcs anymore.
Ok then make it reflect 2 projectiles and then block 50% damage for the remaining time. Or toss the ability and replace it with a 5 times purge. Or replace wings with a timed detonation that hits someone after X seconds and bam mdk's have burst damage.
Or you could just make it useless and no one will use it that's always cool :^Dᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ7 -
HalensShade✭✭✭Or just keep it how it is. How is 50% mitigation towards an entire style of play not enough of a crutch?Platform: Xbox Series X
GT: Danny Van Halen
Class: Melee Magblade
5* earned from pure solo gameplay and zero AP events.8 -
UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭What? I play main MagDK pvp in cyrodiil. I'm having tons of fun. MagDK isn't in a bad place AT ALL.
Not being able to tank off 5 ppl hitting you isn't weakness. No one should be able.
But if those 5 ppl are snipers, then it's really easy to tank them off. Even kill them. Just use your wing, reduce 50% projectile damage and you cause flame damage back to the attacker. That alone should give you tons of survival against ranged attacks. Then just leap when you see one with half health bar and whip. R.I.P.
I love how magDK is doing this days. Of course this buff would come handy, but I don't think it's really needed.
You would love to see you playing in Cyrodill making everything easy for a magdk in this patch...2 -
Fawn4287✭✭✭✭✭
✭People really crave poor balance this badly? Old wings are too hard of a counter to magsorc and magblade, of which I play neither. All the magdks who’ve been crutching on malacath, heavy armour and proc damage sets think an absurd wings buff make things as easy they were last patch. Wait until you play in the sewers, if you think magsorcs strong wait until you play against proc sets again and fight a stam build in pariah with malacath and balorgh on. When you’re getting wrecking blow spammed for as hard as a c frag hits by a character with capped resists and huge health recovery you won’t have the slightest problem with sorcs anymore.
Ok then make it reflect 2 projectiles and then block 50% damage for the remaining time. Or toss the ability and replace it with a 5 times purge. Or replace wings with a timed detonation that hits someone after X seconds and bam mdk's have burst damage.
Or you could just make it useless and no one will use it that's always cool :^D
So drop wings a run purge lmao, or what you’re saying is that you want DK to have a better purge than templar for less cost?1 -
Veg✭✭✭✭✭People really crave poor balance this badly? Old wings are too hard of a counter to magsorc and magblade, of which I play neither. All the magdks who’ve been crutching on malacath, heavy armour and proc damage sets think an absurd wings buff make things as easy they were last patch. Wait until you play in the sewers, if you think magsorcs strong wait until you play against proc sets again and fight a stam build in pariah with malacath and balorgh on. When you’re getting wrecking blow spammed for as hard as a c frag hits by a character with capped resists and huge health recovery you won’t have the slightest problem with sorcs anymore.
Ok then make it reflect 2 projectiles and then block 50% damage for the remaining time. Or toss the ability and replace it with a 5 times purge. Or replace wings with a timed detonation that hits someone after X seconds and bam mdk's have burst damage.
Or you could just make it useless and no one will use it that's always cool :^D
So drop wings a run purge lmao, or what you’re saying is that you want DK to have a better purge than templar for less cost?
No, just an equally useful purge. 5k magic for a 2x purge is not viable ( this used to work when purge cost like 2k). There are many things wings or stonefist could be replaced with. God knows mdks need something for these skills.
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Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Old wings literally shut down everything a magblade would do except ult.
Swallow soul? Reflect
Merciless? Reflect
Crippling grasp? Reflect
Impale? Reflect
Light attack? Reflect.
Like it was flat out dumb. No class should be completely countered by 1 skill.13 -
the1andonlyskwex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Old wings literally shut down everything a magblade would do except ult.
Swallow soul? Reflect
Merciless? Reflect
Crippling grasp? Reflect
Impale? Reflect
Light attack? Reflect.
Like it was flat out dumb. No class should be completely countered by 1 skill.
Because Lotus Fan and Concealed Weapon don't exist....4 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭the1andonlyskwex wrote: »Old wings literally shut down everything a magblade would do except ult.
Swallow soul? Reflect
Merciless? Reflect
Crippling grasp? Reflect
Impale? Reflect
Light attack? Reflect.
Like it was flat out dumb. No class should be completely countered by 1 skill.
Because Lotus Fan and Concealed Weapon don't exist....
They're awful skills for pvp.
So I have to change to use sub optimal skills to just fight one class? Tell me one other instance where that happens.
It doesn't.10 -
Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭the1andonlyskwex wrote: »Old wings literally shut down everything a magblade would do except ult.
Swallow soul? Reflect
Merciless? Reflect
Crippling grasp? Reflect
Impale? Reflect
Light attack? Reflect.
Like it was flat out dumb. No class should be completely countered by 1 skill.
Because Lotus Fan and Concealed Weapon don't exist....
A DK would have to be afk to kill them with those skills.
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Sanguinor2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭(Maybe) unpopular opinion: As long as Ball of lighting is allowed to exist in its current state I dont see why projectile capped wings reflecting again shouldnt exist. But as it is now wings are just a vastly inferior shimmering/ball of lightning in about every situation in the entire game.Politeness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
Honor is keeping ones word.8 -
the1andonlyskwex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭the1andonlyskwex wrote: »Old wings literally shut down everything a magblade would do except ult.
Swallow soul? Reflect
Merciless? Reflect
Crippling grasp? Reflect
Impale? Reflect
Light attack? Reflect.
Like it was flat out dumb. No class should be completely countered by 1 skill.
Because Lotus Fan and Concealed Weapon don't exist....
They're awful skills for pvp.
So I have to change to use sub optimal skills to just fight one class? Tell me one other instance where that happens.
It doesn't.
Now imagine being a mag DK where all of your skills are melee, your only (non-ultimate) gap closer is Empowering Chains (which is dramatically worse than Lotus Fan), and your main spammable is one of the Lava Whip morphs (neither of which is significantly better than Concealed Weapon).4 -
LightYagami✭✭✭✭✭I have no idea why ZOS hate PvP magdks so much...
The class is really bad at PvP... I guess out of 50 deaths, I may see ONE magdk skill on .y death recap....No improvement on Cyrodill servers -> no ESO plus renewal.6 -
LightYagami✭✭✭✭✭the1andonlyskwex wrote: »the1andonlyskwex wrote: »Old wings literally shut down everything a magblade would do except ult.
Swallow soul? Reflect
Merciless? Reflect
Crippling grasp? Reflect
Impale? Reflect
Light attack? Reflect.
Like it was flat out dumb. No class should be completely countered by 1 skill.
Because Lotus Fan and Concealed Weapon don't exist....
They're awful skills for pvp.
So I have to change to use sub optimal skills to just fight one class? Tell me one other instance where that happens.
It doesn't.
Now imagine being a mag DK where all of your skills are melee, your only (non-ultimate) gap closer is Empowering Chains (which is dramatically worse than Lotus Fan), and your main spammable is one of the Lava Whip morphs (neither of which is significantly better than Concealed Weapon).
Some people said that leap is a gap closer so magdks have a Over Powered gap closer...
They completely ignored the fact that leap is an ultimate instead of spammable... Comparing an ultimate to spammable is in fact a prove of how weak the class is...
Again, ZOS, please allow me or other magdk players to swap classes with those who still complain that magdks are over powered. I'll pay you 20000 crown. Thanks.No improvement on Cyrodill servers -> no ESO plus renewal.3 -
motemeno✭✭I don't think protective scale should be buffed. The real problem is the class actually useless in this meta where the healings are stronger. With all the dots you still don't have damage to kill someone if he just uses a regeneration or vigor. It is hard to fix a class based on dots and a bad spammable in this meta.1
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LightYagami✭✭✭✭✭I don't think protective scale should be buffed. The real problem is the class actually useless in this meta where the healings are stronger. With all the dots you still don't have damage to kill someone if he just uses a regeneration or vigor. It is hard to fix a class based on dots and a bad spammable in this meta.
Talking about DoT.... Don't forget another disadvantage... DoT can be purged... Some classes have excellent purge or even FREE purge...No improvement on Cyrodill servers -> no ESO plus renewal.2 -
the1andonlyskwex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LightYagami wrote: »I don't think protective scale should be buffed. The real problem is the class actually useless in this meta where the healings are stronger. With all the dots you still don't have damage to kill someone if he just uses a regeneration or vigor. It is hard to fix a class based on dots and a bad spammable in this meta.
Talking about DoT.... Don't forget another disadvantage... DoT can be purged... Some classes have excellent purge or even FREE purge...
... And there's the example @Brrrofski asked for. DK's basically can't use their DoTs against Templars, Wardens, or Necromancers.5 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People really crave poor balance this badly? Old wings are too hard of a counter to magsorc and magblade, of which I play neither. All the magdks who’ve been crutching on malacath, heavy armour and proc damage sets think an absurd wings buff make things as easy they were last patch. Wait until you play in the sewers, if you think magsorcs strong wait until you play against proc sets again and fight a stam build in pariah with malacath and balorgh on. When you’re getting wrecking blow spammed for as hard as a c frag hits by a character with capped resists and huge health recovery you won’t have the slightest problem with sorcs anymore.
Ok then make it reflect 2 projectiles and then block 50% damage for the remaining time. Or toss the ability and replace it with a 5 times purge. Or replace wings with a timed detonation that hits someone after X seconds and bam mdk's have burst damage.
Or you could just make it useless and no one will use it that's always cool :^D
So drop wings a run purge lmao, or what you’re saying is that you want DK to have a better purge than templar for less cost?
Why not? Necros and Wardens already do so why not DKs?Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.7 -
UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭LightYagami wrote: »the1andonlyskwex wrote: »the1andonlyskwex wrote: »Old wings literally shut down everything a magblade would do except ult.
Swallow soul? Reflect
Merciless? Reflect
Crippling grasp? Reflect
Impale? Reflect
Light attack? Reflect.
Like it was flat out dumb. No class should be completely countered by 1 skill.
Because Lotus Fan and Concealed Weapon don't exist....
They're awful skills for pvp.
So I have to change to use sub optimal skills to just fight one class? Tell me one other instance where that happens.
It doesn't.
Now imagine being a mag DK where all of your skills are melee, your only (non-ultimate) gap closer is Empowering Chains (which is dramatically worse than Lotus Fan), and your main spammable is one of the Lava Whip morphs (neither of which is significantly better than Concealed Weapon).
Some people said that leap is a gap closer so magdks have a Over Powered gap closer...
They completely ignored the fact that leap is an ultimate instead of spammable... Comparing an ultimate to spammable is in fact a prove of how weak the class is...
Again, ZOS, please allow me or other magdk players to swap classes with those who still complain that magdks are over powered. I'll pay you 20000 crown. Thanks.
People saying that are just tolling. They know that magdk have a lot of issues but they just don't care because they don't play it.2 -
UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭the1andonlyskwex wrote: »LightYagami wrote: »I don't think protective scale should be buffed. The real problem is the class actually useless in this meta where the healings are stronger. With all the dots you still don't have damage to kill someone if he just uses a regeneration or vigor. It is hard to fix a class based on dots and a bad spammable in this meta.
Talking about DoT.... Don't forget another disadvantage... DoT can be purged... Some classes have excellent purge or even FREE purge...
... And there's the example @Brrrofski asked for. DK's basically can't use their DoTs against Templars, Wardens, or Necromancers.
Exactly I can kill really bad templar but it is impossible kill a templar that it is in your level because they just purge. And molten whip it is the worst spammable in this game. So we have nothing against templars1 -
TheBonesXXX✭✭✭✭✭
✭This thread makes me lol.
Socrates and his damned circles, y'all chasing the white rabbit on a treadmill.
get around insane healing by proper pressure builds.
But players get pressure nerfed the moment it's on equal footing to "burst combos".
Defile got nerfed, though it dumbed down healing.
Players are plain dishonest, not opinionated.3 -
NegativeVibes✭✭✭IMO DK wings need to reflect past a certain distance, let’s just say the same range as lava whip, while not reflecting any projectile casted within that range. This way DK is given a “stand your ground” ability that forces ranged users to come closer to the DK so that the DK can engage them as well, given their inability to effectively fight ranged users. This would be a win-win for both DK players and ranged players as both parties have counter play towards the other.
I would also like to mention that Warden’s Shimmering Shield and its morphs is just old DK wings that also gives major heroism. Just some food for thought.Edited by NegativeVibes on 20 March 2021 19:258 -
Sanguinor2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NegativeVibes wrote: »
I would also like to mention that Warden’s Shimmering Shield and its morphs is just old DK wings that also gives major heroism. Just some food for thought.
I like comparing it to ball of lightning instead. Which is ranged immunity+snare removal while also being the best mobility spell in the game and also absorbs projectile ultimates and dk gap closer so the one dk ability thats supposed to counter it in the first place.Politeness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
Honor is keeping ones word.2 -
Hotdog_23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Old wings literally shut down everything a magblade would do except ult.
Swallow soul? Reflect
Merciless? Reflect
Crippling grasp? Reflect
Impale? Reflect
Light attack? Reflect.
Like it was flat out dumb. No class should be completely countered by 1 skill.
Slot a different skill. That's what everyone else does for cloak.2 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I didn't mind the change to wings on my DK, but I do mind that they left complete ranged immunity on two other classes however while getting rid of it on the class with the least mobility.-- @xaraan --
nightblade: Xaraan • templar: Xaraan-dar • dragon-knight: Xaraanosaurus • necromancer: Xaraan-qa • warden: Xaraanodon • sorcerer: Xaraan-ra
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techyeshic✭✭✭✭✭I like how magDK plays right now, but I do feel like wings was reduced a bit too far Meanwhile; warden and sorcs have access to a full absorb.3
