FrumpyCourage wrote: »

Sorry to blow your fantasies to smithereens but you all admitted that you bought the DLC's to get access to the sets - so you have used the DLC's in which case you have no legal ground on a refund.

Just pointing that flaw in your thinking out, couldn't care less otherwise...

Soul_Demon wrote: »

FrumpyCourage wrote: »

Soul_Demon wrote: »

FrumpyCourage wrote: »

Sorry to blow your fantasies to smithereens but you all admitted that you bought the DLC's to get access to the sets - so you have used the DLC's in which case you have no legal ground on a refund.

Just pointing that flaw in your thinking out, couldn't care less otherwise...

And with the pointing out that we had access to the parts of the DLC that we purchased it for----remind us we no longer have access to those things.

Circular logic really.....one either can or can not use the DLC- part of it not being accessible (armor doesn't work) is 'No access' and not 'partial access therefore access'

But really its just one group of players who may feel this way.....the PvP only players. Others more than likely view the gear as 'perks' rather than the only reason they made the purchase.

Have you ever bothered to read the TOS before you clicked and agreed to them so you can go PvP'ing as fast as possible? I guess not, because it explains almost everything you are complaining about:

Basically, you agree that ZoS is the owner of the game and they can make changes whenever they feel the need (amongst a lot of other things you should really be concerned about).
So if you got access to the game and the DLC's then you must have agreed to it, right? I really don't see the problem here...

And why is it that the PvP'ers are the only group that constantly gets their knickers in a twist over this game?
There are other groups here that have been made promises and been let down and you don't hear them getting aggressive like that. If you don't like the game anymore, nobody forces you to play it.

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Yes, I have read them....have you? Took the time to highlight the areas of concern. Pay close attention to 'access' and the most concerning part to you it seems is the disclaimers where they "Please note that ANY violation of these terms of service may constitute civil wrongs and/or criminal offenses and ZeniMax reserves the right to take such action as zenimax in its sole discretion deems appropriate in the circumstances. "

Without a violation of the TOS one would be hard pressed to excuse the removal of access to portions of the game as clearly here its in reference to your use being in line with the TOS and not some arbitrary 'revocation' of use...."just cause we felt like it" It clearly is referring to violations of the TOS as listed giving having that course of action and not on a whim.

You could try to argue another section refers to access being closed but is also in reference to other countries, blocking IP address' and other technical issues beyond their control. So you see----its access you bought and to have it removed without it being a technical issue, or a violation of TOS or some other 'necessary' reason....one would be hard pressed to explain selling something then immediately after the check clears removing part of it or even access to parts of it. You may read this differently, but this is how I read it.....and I think most reasonable people would interpret it the same way.

dragonesti wrote: »

I have 9 different PvP characters. I developed them to take advantage of all the different sets and styles that used to be available. Variety and creativity were the best parts of ESO PVP and now they are gone. It's like going thru the drive-thru and ordering the Jacked Up Burger with BBQ sauce, an onion ring, & pickles but when the food gets to your car, some dude runs out of the kitchen grabs your burger & scraps off the toppings with a spatula leaving you with only the patty & the bun. Then he says, "Hey sorry. Due to cooking times which we cannot improve. We are only serving plain burgers now." When you complain that you ordered the Jacked UP Burger and paid the extra cost for it, he says, "Oh well we reserve the right to serve you any kind of burger we want and some people are intimidated by our great line of specialty burgers and prefer boring bland burgers. Oh and we are going to pocket the difference between the burgers' cost ." And after asking if their cooking times improved they respond, "No but we're going to keep doing it anyway."