I have a suspicion(cross play)

jaws343 · January 2021

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

wheresbes wrote: »

Addons are one thing, but movement and aiming are the real issues on consoles. In fact, there are ongoing debates about how using XIM is cheating due to the advantages that the k/m brings compared to the controller.

This. This is why crossplay puts console at disadvantage. K/M is much easier to control and keybinds aren't cross functional. And you don't have to release a directional joystick to perform another function like bar swap or potion swap.

This is not a fair study. While you are likely correct that if two completely equal people played then the K/M guy may have an advantage, but what about the person who has spent 30 years with a controller in their hands and only uses a keyboard to type emails?

The average player’s ability with a controller or a K/M is completely based upon which they have used more.

You could give me a NASCAR but if I don’t know how to operate it I’d lose to a bicycle in a race.

I wouldn't disagree with that. I was more speaking to 2 fully competent players, 1 who has used the keyboard and mouse for gaming and is proficient and one who is equally proficient with a controller. The player with the controller will always be at a disadvantage in this scenario because the keyboard and mouse provides greater functionality than the controller. Including separate keybinds for break free, roll dodge, synergies, and not needing to move their thumbs off the joysticks to hit 8 of their controller functions. All of those things make it more difficult for the controller player. And that isn't even taking into account how easy it is to point and click with a mouse compared to aiming with a joystick.

kypranb14_ESO · January 2021

Grianasteri wrote: »

Given the nature of ESO (particularly combat I thinking of here), cross platform betwixt Console and PC I feel would be unacceptable. Console player are at such a massive disadvantage it would be unfair. The list of add ons PC players have alone, renders such a suggestion impossible, in my eyes, can anyone seriously argue itd be fair for a vanila console player to face off against a PC player with every add on helping them under the sun? Happy to be persuaded otherwise though.

But, cross play betwixt PS4 and Xbox, absolutely, this would drastically improve the gaming experience and community, IF performance could cope. Double the player base, half the Q times, more players for guilds and activities, it could invigorate ESO player base on console.

To be completely fair, I, a console peasant swapped to PC back in September 2017. I have been wrecking face in PVP, on PC, without addons, still using my Xbox Controller, ever since I hit 160CP. Though honestly, it's not as easy as it was on Xbox, that's for sure.

Minyassa · January 2021

Yeah, I don't see it happening because of all the reasons mentioned above but I sure wish it could. Nothing more disheartening than finally talking a friend or relative into trying the game, looking for them and finding out they are playing on another platform and don't want to buy the game all over again to play with you.

Mettaricana · January 2021

Only time i see cross play will be when Microsoft stops supporting playstation and all accounts get yoinked to xbox and pc

FrankonPC · February 2021

jaws343 wrote: »

I wouldn't disagree with that. I was more speaking to 2 fully competent players, 1 who has used the keyboard and mouse for gaming and is proficient and one who is equally proficient with a controller. The player with the controller will always be at a disadvantage in this scenario because the keyboard and mouse provides greater functionality than the controller. Including separate keybinds for break free, roll dodge, synergies, and not needing to move their thumbs off the joysticks to hit 8 of their controller functions. All of those things make it more difficult for the controller player. And that isn't even taking into account how easy it is to point and click with a mouse compared to aiming with a joystick.

This makes sense for a lot of games, but ESO isn't one of them imo. Myself as well as quite a few xbox players have transferred to PC and haven't really noticed an issue with running a controller vs kbm. Controller has an advantage in strafing movements that WASD cannot match, whereas KbM has an advantage with turn speed that controller can't match(however you can speed it up quite a bit manually in the ESO folder).

If we were all playing mag sorc I would 100% agree that KBM would have an advantage, but on different specs you can mitigate this through different types of movement. I know of a few players that do very well in Legend tourneys on PCNA with a controller vs really good players running KbM. That's probably the closest example you will get to even tiered players.

As far as the cross play goes, I would personally welcome it as a console player. A larger population is always a good thing.

Mik195 · February 2021

The addons would be a problem like the obe that auto swaps rapids on the bar when mounting or the one that lets you swap equipment and skills hust by clicking (don't know what this one is, but one of the streamers was using it yesterday) or all of the map addons and I'm sure there are others that take more time on console.

Serenez · February 2021

What I can possibly see happening is where your account/characters are saved on a server (cloud) and you can either play console (using a console) with your console guilds and then possibly pick up your progress (saved character levels/personal bank/inventory items/quests/achievements etc.) and play your characters on PC platform (using a PC) with your PC Guilds. The only thing that would possibly change is your in game friends/guilds etc. This isn't fact but just my thoughts.

I can also see ESO having Xbox Party where all your friends PC and Xbox are combined together on an Xbox Account as people on PC can have the Xbox App running and speak to console friends already. You would just need to link PC account to Microsoft account. This is already a thing but would just need to be more integrated on PC with ESO.

Doesn't Microsoft Xbox console have kb/mouse support anyways? I mean I play with a keyboard on Xbox console to type and I think they just added mouse support to console? Please correct me if I am wrong about this, however if I am correct then the game already allows on the back end at least on PC to swap between gamepad/kb so would it not also be logical to think it is possible to add this to console ESO version that already has kb/mouse support built into the console itself. I of course cannot speak to the difficulty on the programming end. If someone can confirm mouse support on Xbox consoles that would be great. I already know I can play kb as I use it to type in game already on Xbox ESO.

With the Microsoft/ZOS connection I do believe that there will be some sort of play across all devices as this fits with Microsoft's philosophy whether or not it means sharing the same server and cross play. I can at least see picking up the game on your console and then moving to your PC and using the same account/characters/inventory that are shared in a cloud.

ZOS did announce new servers will be coming during their Global Announcement and I believe the Microsoft addition later this year would certainly align with this.

Once again this is just my speculation.

Others may disagree with me and that is cool but I would totally welcome cross play.

Skcarkden · February 2021

Cross play won't happen, sadly.

I wish it did, at least for consoles, and PC on it's own because as people point out, addons.

Consoles need crossplay, we need numbers up. We were lucky they even made Tamriel Unlimited update to remove the absurd faction based division in the game, back when the entire games playerbase used to be split up into 18 groups:

PC EU -DC EP AD
PC NA - DC EP AD
PS4 EU - DC EP AD
PS4 NA - DC EP AD
XBOX EU - DC EP AD
XBOX NA - DC EP AD

18. the entire game's total active playerbase split up across 18, now platform and regional server are one thing but it was always a dumb idea to split the user base further after that due to faction ( i think i vaguely remember even group finder kept you same faction for dungeons? not 100% certain)

Heck, i play eso on Ps4 but i do actually prefer xbox for all my other games, from what i hear xbox has higher prices on items because it has less people. so i'm glad i was pressured into eso for ps4 for more players but also sad that other people have to have a harder time when a solution of less division would help.

Snowstrider · February 2021

I wish this was true but ZOS seems more interested in adding more of the same old content with very little dramatic changes

I want to play ESO again but I refuse to play the broken mess with.very antisocial community that is the xbox version and I dont want to start over all again on PC since the amount of time and money i have spent on the game is too much and would feel all for nothing and suck out all the joy i had of the game if i restarted..

So please ZOS! IF we cant have crossplay can we at least have crossprogression and/or the ability to transfer our account? It is pretty much the only thing that would make me come back..

hexentb16_ESO · February 2021

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I don't know if anyone shares this thought....

I think we may be getting cross play soon.
This is only due to the fact a lot of multi platform games have gone this way. Especially under Microsoft and I would be surprised if it didn't happen to ESO. My suspicion is it will be soon.

There also seems to a pattern in terms of a level of complaining and zos creating a solution. Mainly complaints are centred around having to start again if you change platform. Many have made threads asking about cross play too and with a small focus on quality of life improvements(with more coming I suspect) this eases the transition.

Just to be clear I don't think this is a good idea with the game in its current state. I do however think it is something that will happen soon. I can also already imagine the amount complaints and accusations regarding cheating and add ons thrown at the pc community from the console community 😬

I appreciate I don't have much evidence to support this theory. I just wanted to put this out there, because I believe it will happen soon and would like the opportunity to say I told you so 😂

I desperately want cross-play and/or complete server transfers and when I say complete I mean all progress AND purchases. I'd be willing to pay extra for this too!

But if cross-play were to happen (I think it should) there would be an uproar of pvp'ers blaming their deaths and losses on pc addons/mods. But hey, maybe then they'd stop blaming them in proc sets of once.

Khajiitihaswares · February 2021

Doubt it.. Addons issue cause PS and Xbox peeps to cry hard...

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As well ZoS will not strip addons from PC since they want keep their player base and not lose money. So this idea might not happen to be fair. Also require what FF14 did and add a huge GCD so that PS and Xbox peeps can keep up with PC side of things as well.