Joy_Division wrote: »

JinxxND wrote: »

Warden should get it's purge/cleanse removed if artic blast remains the way it is the heals from that are already absurd

Are you suggesting stealing a templar mechanic and having it function either passively or cost zero resources was a mistake?

Other than perhaps some people feeling "insulted" by "Templar mechanics" being given to another class, I don't think there was any real issue with the initial design of the Warden's Netch. It was several months after Morrowind's release before the Blue Betty's only morph effect - the cleanse on cast - actually worked, and at that point I think it was fine. You could spam it to remove 1 negative effect per GCD, and if an overpowered Stamina Warden wanted to utilize that morph (and I don't know of a single one who did) they'd have to make sacrifices.

There were several changes to Warden a while back that just boggled my mind, with the Netch buffs being one of them. Stamina Warden absolutely did not need any PvP related buffs, and as far as I'm aware the Netch cleansing did nothing to help their supposed PvE woes either. Zenimax needs to remove 100% of the cleansing from the Stamina morph, and axe the auto-cleanse from the Magicka morph as well.

Every Warden nerf that I can remember hit Magicka at least as hard as it hit Stamina, and every buff helped Stamina at least as much as it did Magicka. Combine that with how enormous the gap is between the generic Stamina and Magicka toolkits, and it's no surprise why basically every "Health Warden" is really still a "Stamina Warden" instead of the Magicka counterpart.

It's painfully obvious to me that something needs to be done about health-based heals in the current meta. Being able to run around with 35k+ HP in no-CP, while still having extremely good damage and incredible self healing, is just flat out ridiculous and completely indefensible. But if Zenimax ever does what's necessary to remedy that situation, I'd rather not have Magicka Warden keeping Magicka Necromancer company on the bottom of the trash heap.