MajThorax wrote: »

Eso is full of such oversights. Not sure why you focus on a door in Solitude.

Besides the fact that I opened the OP with a statement about pointing out other issues over many years in game (which would indicate that the door in Solitude is not my "focus"), my post is not about a single door, its about a consistent issue that seems to permeate much of their games design. This door is just yet ANOTHER example.

The physical effort to place that 3D object door takes no more effort to do it right, than to do it wrong.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I understand the mirror effect on a real door, but the hinges of a door are a very small detail that mostly artists and other such types of people are gonna notice. Beyond that, if you're gonna report a problem, you probably should explain it.

I did explain it, thoroughly with pictures and text. Go read my OP again.

Its not about the hinges, its not about the handle, its about how the door opens. The exterior should be mirrored from what it currently is.

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Raideen wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I understand the mirror effect on a real door, but the hinges of a door are a very small detail that mostly artists and other such types of people are gonna notice. Beyond that, if you're gonna report a problem, you probably should explain it.

I did explain it, thoroughly with pictures and text. Go read my OP again.

Its not about the hinges, its not about the handle, its about how the door opens. The exterior should be mirrored from what it currently is.

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Yes. Art is a talent. Some people possess these skills innately and some have to be trained. That's why a lot of art tutorials are about training you to notice these kinds of small details and understand exactly how and where things are placed. A lot of non-artists simply don't notice these things. It's not that they don't know subconsciously, it's that they can't remember these kinds of details on command and don't notice the smaller details that can throw art off. If pointed out though, they'll be like "oh yeah," and be better able to replicate it. Once you're trained, you'll be able to do that kind of thing on command.

It's not like the handle was next to the hinge or something outrageously off like that.

That's also how this kind of things gets past ZoS. They weren't focused on the smaller details. Although in their case it's less excusable because they have had training.

Except this has nothing to do with art. Its basic observation, no art skills required. Every person creating or playing this game has opened a door 10s or even 100's of thousands of times in their lifetime. Everyone has experienced the EXTREMELY simple mechanics of how a door operates and how it looks from both sides.

Even though you continue to make excuses for ZOS, there simply IS NO excuse. This is not the first art asset made by them that has glaring issues, and it's not new. It's been going on for years, it's been called out to them for years and they still refuse to design things correctly.

In FACT even animals understand which way a door opens depending on the side of the door they are on.

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spartaxoxo wrote: »

The only issue is that they didn't mirror it. That's a minor detail and absolutely not something that everyone is gonna notice immediately. You're literally the only one that made a thread about it.

It's not about knowing how a door works. It's about getting a minor detail on an art assest wrong. Everyone knows how their hands work too, doesn't stop people from drawing them wrong.

It's not a minor detail and it's not the first time they have done it, in fact its a common issue that has plagued the game since launch...and still, nothing is done about it.

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It is a minor detail, that's why there isn't more complaints about it. Those other examples are less minor, and have gotten many complaints over the years.

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Stuff like a Window entirely missing has been complained about, not a door hinge. A door hinge not being mirrored (but being placed in a way that the door would be functional if you ignored the other side) is a minor detail. And only you complained.

It seems like you think because those other details were major, that automatically makes this major. That's not the case. The major details always get multiple threads.

I doubt if they had generally good workmanship you'd even consider this some huge detail. You can't even view the otherside of the door without a loading screen. You have to be going out of your way to compare to even notice it. Minor.

I never complained about the door hinge, I used the door hinge as a reference for you to figure out why the door was incorrect, [snip]

The ISSUE is the fact that the door opens the exact same way from both sides, this is not how things work in real life, its not how things work in game, its simply not how things work.

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Raideen wrote: »

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spartaxoxo wrote: »

It is a minor detail, that's why there isn't more complaints about it. Those other examples are less minor, and have gotten many complaints over the years.

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Stuff like a Window entirely missing has been complained about, not a door hinge. A door hinge not being mirrored (but being placed in a way that the door would be functional if you ignored the other side) is a minor detail. And only you complained.

It seems like you think because those other details were major, that automatically makes this major. That's not the case. The major details always get multiple threads.

I doubt if they had generally good workmanship you'd even consider this some huge detail. You can't even view the otherside of the door without a loading screen. You have to be going out of your way to compare to even notice it. Minor.

I never complained about the door hinge, I used the door hinge as a reference for you to figure out why the door was incorrect,[snip]

The ISSUE is the fact that the door opens the exact same way from both sides, this is not how things work in real life, its not how things work in game, its simply not how things work.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I understand the mirror effect on a real door.

I didn't miss anything. You would fix this issue by reorienting the hinges and handle so that they are mirrored, correct?

You want a door that cannot be opened and has it's other side behind a loading screen to have hinges/handle corrected so that it will "open" and "close" like a real door. So ultimately, the issue is the hinges. Since that is what would have to be fixed, the orientation of the hinges/handle. So the issue is the hinges, and the the door not being able to be opened is just a consequence of that issue.

I'd rather they fix something like missing windows or rain through buildings.

A side of a door that almost nobody is gonna see because they'll be porting into their house to avoid waiting through two loading screens, and even the ones that don't even less people will be actually paying hard attention to how their character opens the door, couldn't be lower on the priority scale to me. It doesn't effect the feel of the home at all.

Sure they should probably get around to it eventually, but is a pretty minor error.

The hinges and handle should be childed to the parent 3D asset (the door). The hinges and door handle do not need to be removed, the entire assembly (including animation) needs to be simply mirrored. In 3D software that action of mirroring takes literal seconds. All it would add to the cost of the asset is ZERO. This is why I am laughing at the laziness of development, I actually know how this stuff works.

As far as no one noticing it, well I did and surely others have. The fact is most people do not take the time as I have to point out these mistakes because they could care less. In fact, my entire post here has been for ONE reason and ONE reason only, to get ZOS to up their game by showing them mistakes they make, mistakes that can easily be rectified by minimal to no cost.

If ZOS takes my suggestions, one thing happens...A BETTER GAME, period...and at no cost. There simply needs to be a meeting with the art director and the artists in the next internal powwow to get everyone on the same page and to train the artists to keep an eye out for these kinds of issues while crafting the game.

The issue I posted, ALL of the issues I posted is completely immersion breaking. SOME of us play this game SPECIFICALLY FOR HOUSING. These are not minor issues. A door that opens with the same graphics and animation is immersion breaking.

An exterior wall with 1 window that turns into a fireplace and 2 windows inside, is immersion breaking. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. It triggers OCD like nothing else does.

ZOS has two choices. Create their art assets correctly, or make them incorrectly. Sadly for some reason they choose incorrectly. Why? I have no clue. Any artist or art director worth their pay should easily be able to sort this stuff out. I assume they employ talented people, so again, why is this happening?

In fact, when I was in art school taking my 3D courses. I never saw mistakes like this and this was 101. I mean basic stuff, and I never saw mistakes like this. Its baffling.