raistin87 wrote: »

It is trash tier class, especially in no-CP where magblade received huge indirect nerf due to Malacath's.
I recently rerolled into magsorc and boy he feeling that you can actually kill people again is amazing.

Yeah mate even before graymore nb class needs some buffs but I could still make both specs work with the right build but with the healing nerf more worried about magblade then my stamblade.

Kadoin wrote: »

Let's see...

(1) Most of the class skills require targeting, which fails and is buggy especially as the servers encounter more lag. You can't cast most of magblade skills when you need them most. Magblade skills seem to suffer the worst during desync times

(2) Damage is terrible, and if not damage, then sustain is bad

(3) Class has probably the worst solo heals in the game and defense is lacking outside cloak

(4) The return of speed builds thanks to a poorly thought out Mythic item, in addition to lag, makes you unable to do anything to some players

(5) You pretty much have little chance at fighting a Warden or Necro on a magblade. Literally almost impossible unless you are a god and it's a painful experience. It sucks to fight mag sorc too, which is superior in every single way IMO.

(6) Don't even slot siphon/tether -- both do not work 99.9 percent of the time in actual combat

Now, I might be biased since I'm an LA mag blade, but that's my assessment. And yes, I have even killed emp stamcro alone on mag blade, but I doubt anyone likes hovering in near 1-shot territory for over 15 minutes and praying there isn't a lag spike.

When the balance of a class is literally hit hard because you are going to die if hit anyway, then I find the balance bad of the class bad.

This was magblade before graymore 🙂 hhhhhhh but some of us still did well because we love the class most know by now nb needs buffs. I just want to know if our healing still enough that we don’t need shields I don’t like using shields I like building for strong heals damage sustain.

I just came back after a long break of 8 or 9 months. Besides the nice mobility of the Ring of the Wild Hunt it's like nothing has changed. Potatoes melt and there are a lot of players where my 15k soul harvest crits (80% mulitplier) for 5k. So SSDD.

Vampire is really not bad for sustain at level 2 so there is that and the spell damage out of stealth is nice. But despite the boost there is not an appreciable increase in output.

I think there is a bug with Elusive Mist. Damage seems to take you out of it sometimes.

Also everybody seems to have a lot more health. Rare to see many people below 26k.

HaruKamui wrote: »

It's still feast or famine with a side of desyncs and input delay.

Same old then lol 😂

Magblade is good when there are 2 of you, together when you unite it is like playing 1 solid class/spec. So you can then 2vs1 uhh.. i mean 1vs1 like every other class.

If you are alone, cloak around, burn camps.. put Mark on enemies and not attack them - watch them run in circles trying to find you. Steal kills with Impale from others.

Make troll builds with 50k hp and leech AP, burn enemy sieges when not lazy.

Or.. bomb build with some Vampire gimmicks.

#MagbladeLife -"It is what it is."

Edit: Stamblade is way better (again) this Update.

Vietfox wrote: »

I theorycrafted this: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=239449

Still need to test it though.

About the build:
- Sustain: If i see it's "too good" i could drop some mag recovery and put spell damage enchants instead.
- Cloak: Since NBs don't have reliable heals i decided to run Dark Cloak instead of Shadowy. Paired with Rapid Regen, Swallow Soul, Siphoning Attacks and Malubeth should be good enough, we'll see...
- Vamp or not vamp: if i was running Shadowy i would be a stage 2 vamp for the Strike from the shadows passive, but i find heals + mitigation more useful than using a skill that can be easily countered.
- Healing ulti: I would love to run Soul Siphon, but since it has a dumb cast time i decided to go for Life Giver instead.

PS: This build doesn't use any of the new sets because personally i have no intention of buying Greymoor.

My only concern with that build is that malubeth might not do well in greymoor since that mythic ring will make everyone fast and get out of range. I heard zaan's is pretty good if you can keep them in range, but right now I'm kind of looking at the changed earthgore set tbh to try it out.

NyassaV wrote: »

2nd worst magcika class in the game...

2nd worst..

..and after you theory crafted enough on Magcro, with Stamina morph of the BlastBones (for the constant Major Defile pressure (if even needs, but sometimes do, comes handy), and it has a decent tool tip even as off stat with a good setup.

.. then be a Dunmer, be also a Vampire.. first be scared of stage 4 penalties - get over it and realize only need small adjustments/gimmicks in sustain and attack in short bursts during ultimate window, then get out and recover, Vampire gimmicks will bring damage up and can "Sprint-Cloak" after 3 seconds of Sprinting. Hmm, realize you are now almost like a Magblade, but with Mitigation Ghost-friend that eats 10% of all the damage on you and heals you, and giving you Corpses Same as your armor buff and BB enough to use Deaden Pain (Major Protection with a press of a button, with bonus heals on the side) with pretty much 100% uptime.

So you have Vampire`s Undeath mitigation, Ghost mitigation, Major Protection on-demand, "Free" Purge that gives you both mag & stam Sustain, yeah costs a bit of health (free in my books) and can Vanish like a true Magblade wannabe after 3 seconds of Sprint - after you killed your target(s) of course..

Sets?

Not all the details, so one following this dark path must also come up with some of the knowledge themselves.. lazy people not deserve good builds for free lol.. But yeah, here are some tips:

- Master`s Flame Destro with Infused Berzerker Glyph on Bar 2.
- Balorgh 2p
- Super Secret Awesome Sustain/Utility Set 5p on body
- 5p of Awesomely Mighty Set of ULTIMATE DOOM(tm) ,that is on jewelry and Bar 1 weapon. Nirnhoned Greatsword. For reasons. Pretend that its your Gandalf -staff if that makes you feel better about it.

Balorgh/Ultimate duration is your window of operation. Eliminate your targets during it. When it is off, tactically retreat to LoS, and collect your ultimate back up. As a Necro you can do that without enemies and without being in combat, same as NB can with drinking Potions, just use Deaden Pain on Corpses you create, repeat until ultimate full again. Time to kill again oohlalaa. Sweet huh?

"But.. but.. Moonsorrow.. no defensive set.. how? U no die Dizzy Spammer?"

No. Enough mitigation without defensive sets, just needs to be able to play and avoid most damage anyways by being smart. Dizzy Spammers are no issue to this setup. Go inside the tauntaun Luke. (Go through the Dizzy spammer). They should be dead in about 3 seconds anyways. And you will be in melee range, make sure you are comfortable with it. You will use the Vampire 5m range damage skill.. So having experience on such range helps, if used to melee stam playing, you will feel right at home with this.

Then realize your Vampire Magcro feels more deadly assassin than your Magblade, that it can also brawl and not just gank, that it takes like a zerg to kill you if played right with the right skill setup, while your magblade would have watched the blue death recap in seconds if shade/cloak escape not worked or 1 second of lag during combat.

Cry a bit while changing the name of your Magblade to: Marks-Without-Attack or Lonely Tent Burner.

(Yeah, still gonna play my Magblade though, one can try to leave the Magblade but the Magblade does not leave from you.)

Moonsorrow wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

2nd worst magcika class in the game...

2nd worst..

..and after you theory crafted enough on Magcro

And there's the problem - theory crafted. Have you actually tried to put any of this into practice against good players in BGs? Maybe it's something that would still get you plenty of bomb kills against weak players in Cyrodiil or something, but high MMR BGs? I very seriously doubt it.

First of all, you can't just hide in the corner and slowly build up your ultimate with Deaden Pain. Secondly, have you tried facing off against the new Stam builds that are running bows (no Snipe) with 2-3 proc sets? If one of them has a pet for the really fun NPC snare-exploit, and/or decides to spam Bombard, good luck getting close enough to even try to bomb them unless your team manages to come in as a third party on cleanup duty. Those builds are really quite ridiculous, especially when you're playing what essentially amounts to a melee class that lacks the proper tools for melee.

If the meta for BGs continues to skew even more in favor of Stamina players running ranged builds that are better than Magicka ranged builds, Magicka Necromancer will end up in the worst place it has been since the class was released just over a year ago.

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

2nd worst magcika class in the game...

2nd worst..

..and after you theory crafted enough on Magcro

And there's the problem - theory crafted. Have you actually tried to put any of this into practice against good players in BGs? Maybe it's something that would still get you plenty of bomb kills against weak players in Cyrodiil or something, but high MMR BGs? I very seriously doubt it.

First of all, you can't just hide in the corner and slowly build up your ultimate with Deaden Pain. Secondly, have you tried facing off against the new Stam builds that are running bows (no Snipe) with 2-3 proc sets? If one of them has a pet for the really fun NPC snare-exploit, and/or decides to spam Bombard, good luck getting close enough to even try to bomb them unless your team manages to come in as a third party on cleanup duty. Those builds are really quite ridiculous, especially when you're playing what essentially amounts to a melee class that lacks the proper tools for melee.

If the meta for BGs continues to skew even more in favor of Stamina players running ranged builds that are better than Magicka ranged builds, Magicka Necromancer will end up in the worst place it has been since the class was released just over a year ago.

I have used this on Cyro open world, this is not for bgs OBVIOUSLY since you cannot (well, can - but you would not be a helpful member of the team really - still can cheese kill there too if selfish) play like a farmer there.

This is for overland traps/ganks, tower fun, causing chaos in outer edges of zergling fights. Stuff that Magblade usually does at Cyrodiil. Except no tent burning - that can leave to Magblade.

I have run into such Bow builds, they die in the same 3 seconds. As said, this is like a Magblade but deadlier version. They do not have time to react, no time to heal, and especially no time to Bombard. Snares/Immobilize is no issue.

Just imagine a Magblade that has like 100% Major protection and more damage without having to rely on Bow proc that most good players Dodge after the LA minigame, even with perfectly timed Stun.

But sure, bend your knee in submission under the "stamina overlords" if you so want..

I play both stam and mag, and this magcro setup owns, new Vampire spammable is BRUTAL on a right setup and if a player can actually play.

And yes yes, i know Magcro is about gimmicks already and this build like i have is a gimmicky thing also, but it just works. Without the need for " and " on it.

Also, why do people always come saying this and that class/spec is bad and "woe is me and this class and "that cannot work!" when you tell about the strenghts like almost 100% Major Protection uptime and so on.. is it so needed to come say the class is bad just so it would not end up on some nerf radar?

I am saying Magcro can be very strong for Cyrodiil and IC playing with Vampire and some imagination on build. Should be obvious when i said about assassin style that it is not for bgs, same as i would not bring my Magblade ganker to some objective bgs.

Like.. duh?

Neloth wrote: »

- flame reach is a crap CC against competent players, since many of them still run some sort of combat notifications

No kidding. I got a Master flame staff since nDA was doable and tried doing the HA into Flame reach ganks. It's almost comical how many people dodge roll on the wind up. Is Miat's addon still letting people cheat?

[edited to remove bashing comments]

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Neloth wrote: »

- flame reach is a crap CC against competent players, since many of them still run some sort of combat notifications

No kidding. I got a Master flame staff since nDA was doable and tried doing the HA into Flame reach ganks. It's almost comical how many people dodge roll on the wind up. Is Miat's idiotic addon still letting people cheat?

idk if Miat's still supports projective notifications, but something clearly does, since some people dodge projectiles (frags, ass will, reach, etc) too perfectly when they are facing in different direction and/or running away

Moonsorrow wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Moonsorrow wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

2nd worst magcika class in the game...

2nd worst..

..and after you theory crafted enough on Magcro

And there's the problem - theory crafted. Have you actually tried to put any of this into practice against good players in BGs? Maybe it's something that would still get you plenty of bomb kills against weak players in Cyrodiil or something, but high MMR BGs? I very seriously doubt it.

First of all, you can't just hide in the corner and slowly build up your ultimate with Deaden Pain. Secondly, have you tried facing off against the new Stam builds that are running bows (no Snipe) with 2-3 proc sets? If one of them has a pet for the really fun NPC snare-exploit, and/or decides to spam Bombard, good luck getting close enough to even try to bomb them unless your team manages to come in as a third party on cleanup duty. Those builds are really quite ridiculous, especially when you're playing what essentially amounts to a melee class that lacks the proper tools for melee.

If the meta for BGs continues to skew even more in favor of Stamina players running ranged builds that are better than Magicka ranged builds, Magicka Necromancer will end up in the worst place it has been since the class was released just over a year ago.

I have used this on Cyro open world, this is not for bgs OBVIOUSLY since you cannot (well, can - but you would not be a helpful member of the team really - still can cheese kill there too if selfish) play like a farmer there.

This is for overland traps/ganks, tower fun, causing chaos in outer edges of zergling fights. Stuff that Magblade usually does at Cyrodiil. Except no tent burning - that can leave to Magblade.

I have run into such Bow builds, they die in the same 3 seconds. As said, this is like a Magblade but deadlier version. They do not have time to react, no time to heal, and especially no time to Bombard. Snares/Immobilize is no issue.

Just imagine a Magblade that has like 100% Major protection and more damage without having to rely on Bow proc that most good players Dodge after the LA minigame, even with perfectly timed Stun.

But sure, bend your knee in submission under the "stamina overlords" if you so want..

I play both stam and mag, and this magcro setup owns, new Vampire spammable is BRUTAL on a right setup and if a player can actually play.

And yes yes, i know Magcro is about gimmicks already and this build like i have is a gimmicky thing also, but it just works. Without the need for " and " on it.

Also, why do people always come saying this and that class/spec is bad and "woe is me and this class and "that cannot work!" when you tell about the strenghts like almost 100% Major Protection uptime and so on.. is it so needed to come say the class is bad just so it would not end up on some nerf radar?

I am saying Magcro can be very strong for Cyrodiil and IC playing with Vampire and some imagination on build. Should be obvious when i said about assassin style that it is not for bgs, same as i would not bring my Magblade ganker to some objective bgs.

Like.. duh?

The person you were initially responding to said that Mag Nightblade was the second worst Magicka class in the game, not the second worst ganker in the game (which it obviously isn't). As far as I can tell, the vast majority of people don't want to play gank-focused builds that are only good for blowing up unexpecting players that they greatly outclass to begin with.

I don't think anyone has ever argued that cheesing it up with Harmony on a Magicka Necromancer doesn't work to kill bad players (and even good ones that are caught off guard and/or locked down by someone other than the Necromancer). But that doesn't change the fact that, overall, Magicka Necromancer is a pretty terrible class with quite a few bugs and clunky mechanics.

And the uptime on Major Protection is by no means anywhere near 100% in "real" PvP vs people who aren't bad at the game.