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Question about motifs and character deletion.
CMDR_Un1k0rn
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If I delete a character I learned a motif on, will I still have access to the style at the outfit station afterwards?
In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!
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✭That's an interesting question. Motifs are character specific, but styles are account wide. When you learn a motif it goes into your styles.
Hmm. I'm not sure.Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!0 -
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Edited for updated informationEdited by Nestor on 5 March 2020 17:43Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I pick one character to know all the motifs, and that is my master crafter.
Even if this alt is not, you could always keep them as a MuleEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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✭The unasked question here is why you want to delete, rather than re-spec, a character. Since you can change everything except class, you lose so much by deleting and re-creating, that it can't be worth it. I'd have thought that a character that has advanced enough to learn a worthwhile motif is one to keep, even if they need a race change, sex change, and complete re-build. There's got to be a lot of effort going to waste.0 -
daim✭✭✭✭✭The unasked question here is why you want to delete, rather than re-spec, a character. Since you can change everything except class, you lose so much by deleting and re-creating, that it can't be worth it. I'd have thought that a character that has advanced enough to learn a worthwhile motif is one to keep, even if they need a race change, sex change, and complete re-build. There's got to be a lot of effort going to waste.
I agree. If I would need a slot for new toon I probably would buy one from the store (even that I hardly buy anything) as I wouldn't want to lose the time I've used in the process completely. And you can always use alts as mules, 200 inventory slots and sweet crafting writs.
Anyways. Interesting question, the original one. I would assume the motif will stay in the collectibles neverthless. But I'm not 100% sure.""I am that which grips the heart in fright, hearkens night and silences the light." It was written on my sword, long…long ago." ―Ajunta Pall
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✭✭The unasked question here is why you want to delete, rather than re-spec, a character. Since you can change everything except class, you lose so much by deleting and re-creating, that it can't be worth it. I'd have thought that a character that has advanced enough to learn a worthwhile motif is one to keep, even if they need a race change, sex change, and complete re-build. There's got to be a lot of effort going to waste.
It's one motif that I drunkenly purchased on a character that is still level 7 like a year ago and never play. Problem is the motif is not in the store now and isn't exactly cheap at traders.In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!0 -
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✭I have the means to answer this question via the multiple accounts that I own. Stay tuned, I'll figure out the behavior and post it back in this thread.Giraffon - Beta Lizard - For the Pact!1 -
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✭As promised....
Testing conditions and process:
Single character steam account used on PC NA
Character only knows its own racial motif
New character is created
Dremora shields purchased and learned with new character
logged character off and checked original character
Original character had access to dremora shields style at outfit station
logged out original character and then deleted newly created character that learned Dremora shields
logged in original character again and still had access to Dremora shields style at outfit station
quit game and restarted
logged original character back in and still had access to Dremora shields style at outfit station
Went to wordworking station and attempted to craft a dremora shield but the style showed as unknown
Conclusion:
Although the ability to CRAFT shields is lost with a deleted character, the ability to use the style with outfits is not lost.
I'm going to go further and hazard a guess that this applies to all motifs, but only based on my test above. You will need to decide for yourself if you want to risk it.
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✭✭✭✭And you can always use alts as mules, 200 inventory slots and sweet crafting writs.
Wow. I am nowhere near close to that many inventory slots ... maybe on one character, but she also has her riding/carry skill maxed.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
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✭✭As promised....
Testing conditions and process:
Single character steam account used on PC NA
Character only knows its own racial motif
New character is created
Dremora shields purchased and learned with new character
logged character off and checked original character
Original character had access to dremora shields style at outfit station
logged out original character and then deleted newly created character that learned Dremora shields
logged in original character again and still had access to Dremora shields style at outfit station
quit game and restarted
logged original character back in and still had access to Dremora shields style at outfit station
Went to wordworking station and attempted to craft a dremora shield but the style showed as unknown
Conclusion:
Although the ability to CRAFT shields is lost with a deleted character, the ability to use the style with outfits is not lost.
I'm going to go further and hazard a guess that this applies to all motifs, but only based on my test above. You will need to decide for yourself if you want to risk it.
Thank you good sir. I appreciate it!In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!1 -
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One would hope.
However, I don't think all Motifs do the Collectible thing. Like the original 16.Edited by Nestor on 5 March 2020 16:40Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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One would hope.
However, I don't think all Motifs do the Collectible thing. Like the original 16.
They do.
To expand: they go into collections the same as any other motif. The difference is that most of those are only learned as a complete book, not as a chapter of a book. If you learn a complete book, you will not get the very visible notice across the center of your screen with a little picture "sunspire daggers added to Collections" or however it's phrased. You only get a more subtle notice at the top right "54 new styles added" or whatever the number is.Edited by kringled_1 on 5 March 2020 17:240 -
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Thank you. I learned all the original motifs a long time before the Outfit System came out.
However, as stated above, the ability to Craft in that Motif requires the character to know the motif.
Edited by Nestor on 5 March 2020 17:45Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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