Question about motifs and character deletion.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

If I delete a character I learned a motif on, will I still have access to the style at the outfit station afterwards?

Giraffon

That's an interesting question. Motifs are character specific, but styles are account wide. When you learn a motif it goes into your styles.

Hmm. I'm not sure.

Nestor

The Outfit Station pulls from the Collections.

Edited for updated information

dazee

Nestor

I pick one character to know all the motifs, and that is my master crafter.

Even if this alt is not, you could always keep them as a Mule

Starlock

Nestor wrote: »

Probably not. The Outfit Station pulls from the Knowledge of all your active characters.

Do you have the PTS, you could test on there.

It also throws something up in your collectibles UI, though, so I would guess that it stays there once unlocked.

ghastley

The unasked question here is why you want to delete, rather than re-spec, a character. Since you can change everything except class, you lose so much by deleting and re-creating, that it can't be worth it. I'd have thought that a character that has advanced enough to learn a worthwhile motif is one to keep, even if they need a race change, sex change, and complete re-build. There's got to be a lot of effort going to waste.

daim

ghastley wrote: »

The unasked question here is why you want to delete, rather than re-spec, a character. Since you can change everything except class, you lose so much by deleting and re-creating, that it can't be worth it. I'd have thought that a character that has advanced enough to learn a worthwhile motif is one to keep, even if they need a race change, sex change, and complete re-build. There's got to be a lot of effort going to waste.

I agree. If I would need a slot for new toon I probably would buy one from the store (even that I hardly buy anything) as I wouldn't want to lose the time I've used in the process completely. And you can always use alts as mules, 200 inventory slots and sweet crafting writs.


Anyways. Interesting question, the original one. I would assume the motif will stay in the collectibles neverthless. But I'm not 100% sure.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

ghastley wrote: »

The unasked question here is why you want to delete, rather than re-spec, a character. Since you can change everything except class, you lose so much by deleting and re-creating, that it can't be worth it. I'd have thought that a character that has advanced enough to learn a worthwhile motif is one to keep, even if they need a race change, sex change, and complete re-build. There's got to be a lot of effort going to waste.

It's one motif that I drunkenly purchased on a character that is still level 7 like a year ago and never play. Problem is the motif is not in the store now and isn't exactly cheap at traders.

Giraffon

I have the means to answer this question via the multiple accounts that I own. Stay tuned, I'll figure out the behavior and post it back in this thread.

Giraffon

As promised....

Testing conditions and process:

Single character steam account used on PC NA
Character only knows its own racial motif
New character is created
Dremora shields purchased and learned with new character
logged character off and checked original character
Original character had access to dremora shields style at outfit station
logged out original character and then deleted newly created character that learned Dremora shields
logged in original character again and still had access to Dremora shields style at outfit station
quit game and restarted
logged original character back in and still had access to Dremora shields style at outfit station
Went to wordworking station and attempted to craft a dremora shield but the style showed as unknown

Conclusion:
Although the ability to CRAFT shields is lost with a deleted character, the ability to use the style with outfits is not lost.

I'm going to go further and hazard a guess that this applies to all motifs, but only based on my test above. You will need to decide for yourself if you want to risk it.

newtinmpls

daim wrote: »

And you can always use alts as mules, 200 inventory slots and sweet crafting writs.

Wow. I am nowhere near close to that many inventory slots ... maybe on one character, but she also has her riding/carry skill maxed.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Giraffon wrote: »

As promised....

Testing conditions and process:

Single character steam account used on PC NA
Character only knows its own racial motif
New character is created
Dremora shields purchased and learned with new character
logged character off and checked original character
Original character had access to dremora shields style at outfit station
logged out original character and then deleted newly created character that learned Dremora shields
logged in original character again and still had access to Dremora shields style at outfit station
quit game and restarted
logged original character back in and still had access to Dremora shields style at outfit station
Went to wordworking station and attempted to craft a dremora shield but the style showed as unknown

Conclusion:
Although the ability to CRAFT shields is lost with a deleted character, the ability to use the style with outfits is not lost.

I'm going to go further and hazard a guess that this applies to all motifs, but only based on my test above. You will need to decide for yourself if you want to risk it.

Thank you good sir. I appreciate it!

Nestor

Starlock wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Probably not. The Outfit Station pulls from the Knowledge of all your active characters.

Do you have the PTS, you could test on there.

It also throws something up in your collectibles UI, though, so I would guess that it stays there once unlocked.

One would hope.

However, I don't think all Motifs do the Collectible thing. Like the original 16.

kringled_1

Nestor wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Probably not. The Outfit Station pulls from the Knowledge of all your active characters.

Do you have the PTS, you could test on there.

It also throws something up in your collectibles UI, though, so I would guess that it stays there once unlocked.

One would hope.

However, I don't think all Motifs do the Collectible thing. Like the original 16.

They do.
To expand: they go into collections the same as any other motif. The difference is that most of those are only learned as a complete book, not as a chapter of a book. If you learn a complete book, you will not get the very visible notice across the center of your screen with a little picture "sunspire daggers added to Collections" or however it's phrased. You only get a more subtle notice at the top right "54 new styles added" or whatever the number is.

Nestor

@kringled_1

Thank you. I learned all the original motifs a long time before the Outfit System came out.

However, as stated above, the ability to Craft in that Motif requires the character to know the motif.