I would rather ZOS continue to make new content, rather than do this to old content. It wouldn't be trivial imo to change and would require some overhauls on fights. Norm dungeons are already easy, and I don't think requiring a small group to do content should be considered a barrier in MMOs.

Mannix1958 wrote: »

Well the poll question does say with no rewards...altering it to include them changes things quite a bit. It would be like changing "Do you eat apples on a regular basis?" to "Do you eat rotten apples on a regular basis? "

For myself, no way would I support a story mode that gives anything more than just experiencing the story & lore.

Yeah, qestion poll isnt very specific what are those rewards, so people voting may interpret it differently. And beside that, this poll may be not representative for averange solo-ish player. And beside, beside that, we still don't know how this option would impact social aspect of the game (which must be in healthy state for any mmo game longevity). I agree with @BejaProphet that ZOS is making good work with bringing two types of players together in one game, but I think that there should be even more encouragement for grouping. OFC it s not easy task, because forcing players to do stuff that they dont want, may make them want to quit. Anyway, going in oposide direction (separating those two types of players is probably bad move). I'm not going to fight over my argument, because i don't know for sure how this 'story mode' would impact playerbase, but IMO it should be considered at least as risky move.

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AlnilamE wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

Paramedicus wrote: »

snoozy wrote: »

Paramedicus wrote: »

I guess, that most players wanting 'story mode', would just like to get solo difficulty setting with all incentives.

you guessed wrong. in this case, most people arguing pro story mode actually suggested it shouldn't give the rewards.

Nope. See comment below.

Nanfoodle wrote: »

In Story mode I want to be able to do the quest and get the skill point.

Skill point is tied to the story though, so I'm not sure they could split that up.

I would agree otherwise though. No loot, no undaunted or fighters guild rep, ect.

Hence my suggestion of Story Mode being unlocked by completing the dungeon quest in a group first. You get your skill point the way it was intended, and if you feel you missed anything from the story, you can come back as many times as you like and replay it.

That's fair.

With no dungeon gear drop from bosses or chests (apart of maybe those generic ones), and no trophies. Only quest reward.

Paramedicus wrote: »

Mannix1958 wrote: »

Well the poll question does say with no rewards...altering it to include them changes things quite a bit. It would be like changing "Do you eat apples on a regular basis?" to "Do you eat rotten apples on a regular basis? "

For myself, no way would I support a story mode that gives anything more than just experiencing the story & lore.

Well, qestion poll isnt very specific what are those rewards, so people voting may interpret it differently. And beside that, this poll may be not representative for averange solo-ish player. And beside, beside that, we still don't know how this option would impact social aspect of the game (which must be in healthy state for any mmo game longevity). I agree with @BejaProphet that ZOS is making good work with bringing two types of players together in one game, but I think that there should be even more encouragement for grouping. OFC it s not easy task, because forcing players to do stuff that they dont want, may make them want to quit. Anyway, going in oposide direction (separating those two types of players is probably bad move). I'm not going to fight over my argument, because i don't know for sure how this 'story mode' would impact playerbase, but IMO it should be coniosdered at least as risky move.

Oh I understand a lot of what you are saying. In fact I'd say the chance of a story mode happening are close to zero since ZOS has been pushing the try all aspects of the game in events & such. I also agree that there is a lot that deserves the attention and resources more but that's for the devs to decide and unless things change they already have decided. But it still is an interesting option to debate.

Other topics for another time is what are aspects that drive wedges in the social aspect of this game and what are elements that could be added or expanded to encourage more social interaction?

Olauron wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Hence my suggestion of Story Mode being unlocked by completing the dungeon quest in a group first. You get your skill point the way it was intended, and if you feel you missed anything from the story, you can come back as many times as you like and replay it.

The quest is not repeatable. If you skip through the quest to get skill point and unlock a story mode then there will be nothing to do in story mode.

I think they meant that if you do it on one character it will be available on the others. Like skyshards or skill lines.

Mannix1958 wrote: »

For myself, no way would I support a story mode that gives anything more than just experiencing the story & lore.

Your logic then should apply to ALL content that can be soloed. Anything you can do in the game by yourself should not give any loot besides experience.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

You're really that worried about someone getting a skill point? Wild

Yes, because it s clear for me that ZOS made that skill point a big incentive for grouping. You don't get skill points for doing dvelves and you don't get them even for finishing public dungeons. For public dungs you get point only for bosses that require a group. So i don't evny other ppl getting their skill points, but i understand why ZOS put them there as reward. Just looking at bigger picture.

Anyway, @AlnilamE idea could fix this:

Nanfoodle wrote: »

Hence my suggestion of Story Mode being unlocked by completing the dungeon quest in a group first. You get your skill point the way it was intended, and if you feel you missed anything from the story, you can come back as many times as you like and replay it.

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I would like a story mode simply so I can see the storyline. After doing a dungeon X amount of times waiting for someone to read all the content is not fun. For my first time through I would love to see the lore. As an added bonus it is a nice way for those who do not play dungeons on day one to learn some of the mechanics so when they join a party they have some idea of what is happening.

With this new chapter of the storyline being added to the dungeon I think this is even more important so we can see the full storyline at our own pace.

It will never cease to amaze me how many people are against new features in this game.

Opening up existing content to other player demographics would certainly improve the longevity of the game.
Too much content remains dormant because of the inability to run it or its unrewarding nature.

1. Add "story mode" dungeons for casual players.
2. Add rewarding higher difficulty settings for overland content for endgame PvE players.

Only issue with #1 is that some dungeons do require more than 1 players by design, so some mechanical overhaul would be required instead of just scaling everything down further.

So I’m a guy who likes to PUG vet DLC dungeons. Growing up my brother and I had a saying: if you aren’t dying, you aren’t trying. Suffice to say we pursued hard content. I love MMO’s.

What I am learning from this thread is that people in my “camp” have dramatically underestimated how much ZOS has succeeded in appealing to the other end of the spectrum.

My camp needs to respect that and see that the game needs to thrive for that group as well.

But on the other hand the other group needs to realize why people are hesitant. Some are acting like jerks, but assume the opposition is purely rooted in malice is to be just as blind.

There is a real concern that as a game caters to easy completion of content, that the challenging content will actually be harmed.

Before you dismiss this view, listen with the same respect you want from others. Don’t reflexively argue, try to understand what they are seeing. ALL games typically have a pattern of creating content then reducing the difficulty in direct proportion to the complaining..

So many people are dumbfounded why people fight against suggestions that supposedly doesn’t affect them. This is why. They see the complaining itself as a threat to the game. Because if you are a player like me, for whom the difficulty is a key part of the appeal, then reducing the difficulty (in my mind) harms the game I love.

Here is my point: my camp needs to see the other view, and respect it. But at the same time we need to do that in a way that the game simultaneously thrives for the challenge seekers.

Long post but I hope it furthers mutual respect and understanding.

I dont have a problem with it BUT:

1. If you do a dungeon solo there shouldnt be a mask drop and no set drop, just a soulstone some gold and an decorated weapon
2. They shouldnt count for events, where you are suposed to play with a group
3. Can you imagen a solo storymode for fungal 1 ? xDDD you probably could finish it with 2 ulti drops

StShoot wrote: »

I dont have a problem with it BUT:

1. If you do a dungeon solo there shouldnt be a mask drop and no set drop, just a soulstone some gold and an decorated weapon
2. They shouldnt count for events, where you are suposed to play with a group

That's what we're asking for, just the story. Don't need any sets/monster helms from it what-so-ever. Asking for the same drops on solo is too far, but a mode that focuses purely on the story whilst sacrificing loot, that's more than fair.

For those who afraid for group content in MMO, some dungeons is impossible to solo due to mechanics and no one in ZOS will redone it. But at least give us story mode in LFG, there players can auto group for story, even if it will be standart normal mode without rewards, but players who queue in this mode will know that they will play with players who also interested in slow pace gameplay, read all dialogs, books and looking at vistas. Will be perfect if there will be some sort of confirmation by pressing "F" to continue after main dialogs or before main fights and ability to repeat the story from begining.

Paramedicus wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

You're really that worried about someone getting a skill point? Wild

Yes, because it s clear for me that ZOS made that skill point a big incentive for grouping. You don't get skill points for doing dvelves and you don't get them even for finishing public dungeons. For public dungs you get point only for bosses that require a group. So i don't evny other ppl getting their skill points, but i understand why ZOS put them there as reward. Just looking at bigger picture.

I don't do group stuff (aside from RPing) and I can safely say the skill points from doing dungeons don't really matter. There are plenty of ways to gain skill points. I never missed the skill points I didn't get because I refuse to do group content.

My characters still have all the skills and skill lines I want for them, with plenty of skill points left over to be spent on "fluff" skill lines that might get added.