Here, go vote.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/74423/pvp-rewards

It is kind of amusing..

That the people who PVE are at max level(vr10) and are able to kill PVPers quicker than people who spend more time PVPing.

Why just veteran XP?

Granted, it would probably help keep players if after 50 we could level in Cyrodiil. But I don't see how progression before then would hurt anyone!

I guess I support your sentiment either way! XP is so pathetic right now I couldn't complain about any improvement.

All XP should be increased, including vet xp.

Granted, it was constantly mentioned that you could gain VR ranks through PvP. Guess the joke's on us!

awkwarrd wrote: »

@LadyChaos
I did read the comments i know what they were talking about.
I do feel the same as you, i don't agree with what i think you're referring to with the PVP needs to be a grind in this kind of way, you should be getting rewarding amounts of everything and not feel restricted to PVE to be able to compete in PVP.

Right now, there needs to be a large boost in EXP in all directions, picking EXP and not VXP is still going to be a problem.

Once people are at VR10, then people can PVP and not have to worry about this the EXP/VXP gains.
End Game Cyradiil is lackluster in it's current form, EXP & VXP is just the first thing i would like to see adjusted/changed, plenty more things i could suggest, but this is #1 priority imo.

I'm sorry if I came across saying you didn't understand the comments, That was unintended. I feel there is a difference between leveling to learn and progress and endgame content rewards. I've been very clear in other posts my feeling on turning game into a PvP or PvE concept... dead horses should stay dead there.

I agree engame ATM in Cyrodiil is not what I think I will enjoy for a lasting time, but I can only speculate until I'm Vet ranked, but this I am agreeing with you on.

@‌LadyChaos
No worries.

Currently the balance of EXP overall.. rests in PVE.
Massive amount of quests and mobs to kill.
Basically there is no balance in EXP, because PVE is a necessary thing to do to get anywhere in the game at a competitive rate.

Cyradiil offers nothing really in comparison, it did before that quest went to daily.
People who didn't want to PVP complained it was too good.
The loot rewards in PVP are not eye popping.
ZOS listened to PVE people about PVP.

I tested the PVE inside Cyradiil.. it had nice loot, i picked up 3 epic level 50 weapons, i thought that was rather dumb.
I don't recall ever getting experience for leveling in there though.
You pretty much have to PVE at some point even in Cyradiil.. because skyshards are in the #$@% pub dungeons out there..

/disagree ...don't need any more Vets in PvP...


Sides... vets are supposed to mean something. IF they just give them away what good is the endgame?

Go buy your lvl 90 over there in BLizzard land mates. 'nough said.

@awkwarrd‌

This is a MMORPG therefore PvE is part of teh action. I don't see anything wrong with PvEers (to max lvl) engaged in PvP. I know some hard core PvPers want it different but this isnt' an e-sport game.

@TheGrandAlliance
I doubt you know the people you claim to.
And if they are real people, you didn't mention how they gain levels, more arbitrary thinking about PVP.
IF they are are hard-core PVP people, then they didn't touch PVE to level.
Not that im against doing both.
But the point being made that i think you're failing to see, is that the EXP from one type of actions, is far greater in a massive scale, compared to the other.

You're right, it is an MMORPG, so multiple options to do anything.
Except, there is only 1 option to gain a satisfactory amount of EXP, and it is NOT Cyradiil.
The failure to see the difference shows me you don't PVP, and if you do, its to do the now daily quest.

E-sport? what has gaining EXP at a satisfactory rate in PVP compared to PVE got to do with it?
If it's because i said "competitive" then you misunderstood why i said it when i was comparing PVP and PVE.
Nit picking 1 word to make a point is pretty much trolling.

awkwarrd wrote: »

E-sport? what has gaining EXP at a satisfactory rate in PVP compared to PVE got to do with it?
If it's because i said "competitive" then you misunderstood why i said it when i was comparing PVP and PVE.
Nit picking 1 word to make a point is pretty much trolling.

Vet ranks were supposed to be a PvE concept not a PvP one. They were supposed to provide new way to "lvl past 50" in order to experience harder end game content. They were not supposed to be tools used to gain advantage in PvP. Thus making it even easier to get a "Vet" rank in PvP makes the PvE reasoning behind having vet ranks in the first place pointless and cause an imbalance in PvP.

...making this a E-sport whereas instead of Caring/enjoying the game it becomes more of an arms race to max lvl.

WEll yes, in terms of normal 1-50 lvling is indeed dooomuosly slow. I have over 5 days /played and yet still at lvl 22 due to me PvPing.

But Vet ranks where supposed to be for PvE as intended; requiring difficult accomplishments in PvE, and not to be powerlvled/farmed afk killing inc zergs in PvP. Thus what value does a vet rank have if it can be so easily obtained?


IDK if you are aware but we have PvP ranks. It is listed on the Alliance War section. You get a title for each rank. In theory, after this 90-day campaign is over, there may be campaigns that are rank-locked to higher players. However currently this doesnt' exist so new players/old are locked into the same realm.

Thus... making lvl 10s worthless esp against higher ranked vets. Not even seige can stop them as I have learned.

For Veteran (the reason it exists) ZeniMax post.

Else, for the server types: Look at the server listing page. There is, on the left side, something that refers to "having no restrictions" for the server. As tested in beta, it was intended that in the future (next 90-day period) that some servers would be vet/pvp ranked locked so that higher-tiered/skilled players would be divided from lower-ranked players.

The link was only referring to PvE not PvP.

In terms of the PvP aspect... all I can refer you to use the server type indicator that is listed on the left side of the server selection screen. This is a beta thing... idk maybe you can find out info somewhere on it on internet lands.

Some reactions to

Oldtimer209 wrote: »

Skiy41 wrote: »

I just got to 50, and while the questing is good in this game, I really REALLY don't want to go and quest for another 7+days play time to get top vet rank, it feels like, and is, an EPIC grind.

Please increase the veteran exp gains in cyrodiil for pvp so that I'm not forced to go and grind more quests over and over bored out of my mind until i can finally get top level gear.

And please don't tell me that you do get exp doing pvp in Cyrodiil, because it's around 2% every 5+ hours of play time, which is so incredibly slow there is no comparison between it and the PvE zones.

Thank you

Maybe I'm missing something, So you made it to L50 in less than a month but you dont want to put the time into getting veteran ranks?
Most of the other players are not even L50 yet but you want more XP for killing them?

I think there's some misconception as to my meaning. This is in no way a whine post from a casual player. I really like this game. I really like how levelling to 50 takes time in this game, and how the game is not catering to casuals - how things must be earned with time. However there is a difference between this concept and the current veteran system ESO at the moment.

Currently, after hitting level 50, the players at veteran rank 10 have far superior gear to us at veteran rank 1, meaning that I cannot compete with them in small scale (or large scale) PvP. Since I am getting virtually no exp from participating in PvP in Cyrodiil, I am being forced by the game to trudge through another 100+ hours of playtime in PvE questing and (occasional) dungeon content that I have NO INTEREST in doing, in order to compete with other players at max veteran rank in PvP. Don't get me wrong, questing is fine, and often enjoyable in ESO, but the 70+hours I spent on it to get to level 50 is more than enough in my eyes. I should now be allowed to play the game in PvP how I want to without being punished for not doing more PvE content.

Currently, the hardcore PvE players have an advantage over the hardcore PvP players in our own field of PvP. I find this ridiculous, and for me personally, it is gamebreaking. It needs change

Skiy41 wrote: »

Some reactions to

Oldtimer209 wrote: »

Skiy41 wrote: »

I just got to 50, and while the questing is good in this game, I really REALLY don't want to go and quest for another 7+days play time to get top vet rank, it feels like, and is, an EPIC grind.

Please increase the veteran exp gains in cyrodiil for pvp so that I'm not forced to go and grind more quests over and over bored out of my mind until i can finally get top level gear.

And please don't tell me that you do get exp doing pvp in Cyrodiil, because it's around 2% every 5+ hours of play time, which is so incredibly slow there is no comparison between it and the PvE zones.

Thank you

Maybe I'm missing something, So you made it to L50 in less than a month but you dont want to put the time into getting veteran ranks?
Most of the other players are not even L50 yet but you want more XP for killing them?

I think there's some misconception as to my meaning. This is in no way a whine post from a casual player. I really like this game. I really like how levelling to 50 takes time in this game, and how the game is not catering to casuals - how things must be earned with time. However there is a difference between this concept and the current veteran system ESO at the moment.

Currently, after hitting level 50, the players at veteran rank 10 have far superior gear to us at veteran rank 1, meaning that I cannot compete with them in small scale (or large scale) PvP. Since I am getting virtually no exp from participating in PvP in Cyrodiil, I am being forced by the game to trudge through another 100+ hours of playtime in PvE questing and (occasional) dungeon content that I have NO INTEREST in doing, in order to compete with other players at max veteran rank in PvP. Don't get me wrong, questing is fine, and often enjoyable in ESO, but the 70+hours I spent on it to get to level 50 is more than enough in my eyes. I should now be allowed to play the game in PvP how I want to without being punished for not doing more PvE content.

Currently, the hardcore PvE players have an advantage over the hardcore PvP players in our own field of PvP. I find this ridiculous, and for me personally, it is gamebreaking. It needs change

You summed it up perfectly. Gaining extra levels in PVE should make you stronger in PVE. Someone who put forth the same amount of effort in PVP should not be at a disadvantage to the person who put that time into PVE. As it stands now, that is exactly the case.

Repeatable kill quests in PVP is not the answer. That promotes zerging and totally screws those who prefer smaller scale.

As far as I can tell, there is no progression at all in PVP. AP ranks mean absolutely nothing. There needs to be something to strive for on the PVP front, other than a worthless "title". Also, do something about Bolt escape for crying out loud.